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Jim,

I got my check and it will not even pay for HS soccer travel let alone Club travel.

I am sure I will pay for this "stimulus" check sometime after November !!

Of course they would because they—as I noted—don't understand any of these terms. Most Americans have simplistic and distorted views of "Capitalism" and "Socialism"—along with dozens of other terms.

I would add "moral" to that list. It is easy to reject the complaint you raise, however, by noting that such redistribution of wealth IS an attempt to be moral within a system that has NO regard for whether or not people deserve the accident of their births either into wealth or poverty.

Anyone who believes that any system of government PRACTICED historically or today is a fair representation of any theory is mistaken.

Your hypothetical "disagreement" is a game that simpletons play (such as Rush Limbaugh or Anne Coulter). Here is the game:

(1) Define an idea or group of people.

(2) Attack the DEFINITION you have established.

(3) Don't allow anyone time to check the definition.

Thus, IF socialism IS "a political/economic system that confiscates wealth from those who earned it, and transfers it against their will to those who haven't," THEN this would be a fair disagreement. However, the definition is flawed, thus the entire disagreement falls apart.

In a democracy that has socialistic components (such as the US—highways, military, judicial system, public education. . .), the socialism is the result of the will of the people participating in that democracy; thus, nothing is "confiscated."

If, however, one wishes to attack totalitarian forms of government (often called "socialistic," "communistic," or some other label associated with Marxist ideas) that DO confiscate capital and freedom for the elite to enjoy only, then you got a good disagreement on your hands!

If we in this country are unhappy with the tax system (and I am, and we should be), then since it is a system WE created, WE can change it.

And if we wish to obliterate ALL socialism, then we might need to hurry because it will be hard for many of us to get to the polling booths without any roads or highways, without any military to insure we have a democracy, without any police force to help keep our lives somewhat safe. . .

Capitalism morality or Moral Capitalism ? If we strive to be Capitalist then we must also strive to be moral? With religious freedom whose morals do "the capitalist" follow?

The stockholders are not investing in our company we must increase the bottom line. "Increase the bottom line by sending this set of jobs overseas at a cheaper rate".

Which is the moral answer?

1. Don't worry about America jobs the government will help retrain them.
2. The 3rd world counties need jobs to become self sufficient and thus reducing US aid.

Where to from here ??

Morality is above any religion.

In a country respecting religious freedom (we say we do. . .but we don't!) and even being irreligious, we can and must have MORAL barometers, but they must not be bound to simple religion.

And morality should never be reduced to dualities, as your example does. The MORAL answer may be addressing both without falling victim to believing one discounts the other.

Morality is hard. . .

Kyle,

Need to add a new forum to the message board.

Call it either:

"Shibumi's Playhouse" or "Cat's Cradle"

A place where the inellectuals can go to wax philosophical. I think it would provide a good service.


Add another one while you are at it:

"Junior's Garage"

A forum for discussing popular culture or whatever else creeps into the twisted minds of some of our less-intellectually inclined posters!

Hurst66: Some of us (me!!!!!!!!!!!!) are trying to get past the pain of the high school playoffs and are burying our true feelings by over-intellectualizing on ANY subject we possibly can EXCEPT for high school soccer!!!

Oh thanks Hurst. I now know I need to be in "Junior Garage" forum with the "less-intellectually inclined posters". I am way out of my league in the "Cat's Cradle" forum. I love the process of thinking about his answers and how they apply to life. (my life is a small world)

Excuse me as I ponder another response. This one will take some time......

I live in Junior's Garage too.

Hurst66: Seen any good movies lately?
Kwai: Juno's available for rental, seen that one yet?
Hurst66: No. Heard a couple songs from the soundtrack.
Kwai: It's not bad....check it out.