cc good post......and if you need an example from the opposite side just look at ac flora and dreher. both schools have been just fielding a team and going through the motions over the last 5 years and not developing a program. yes, both teams in the past have had a some talented players but it was just luck not a result of coaching or trying to develop a program. now there are just a handful of players at both schools that are playing club ball. i don’t see either school being a factor in the near future.