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This doesn't totally answer the question about goals against teams with a winning season but here are the statistics of teams of the players listed based on Eurosport. The number of games against teams with a "winning" record and the number of goals the team scored. I assumed scrimmages were not counted in the games/ goals so I just counted the same amount of games the player had listed.
Pickens: 4 games out of the 15 games - 3 goals (team avg. .75)
Christ Church: 4 games of the 10 games listed - 14 goals (team avg. 3.5)
Southside Christian: 7 games/12 - 6 goals (T.A. .86)
Ridge View: 9 /17 - 21 goals (T.A. 2.33)
Myrtle Beach: 4/10 - 14 goals (T.A. 3.5)
Waccamaw: 7/17 - 3 goals (T.A. .428)
Irmo: 7/15 - 19 goals (T.A. 2.7)
Hillcrest: 8/18 - 8 goals (T.A. 1.0)
Brooklyn Cayce: 10/18 - 14 goals (T.A. 1.4)
For reference - games through April 5th excluding scrimages:
Wando: 9/13 games - 22 goals (T.A. 2.4)
Riverside: 10/16 games - 19 goals (T.A. 1.9)
Eastside: 7/15 games - 10 goals (T.A. 1.4)
There are so many variables - 4A down to 1A, a "winning team" schedule strength, injuries, depth of team, etc. So in the end, what does it mean. Nothing unless you can score more than the other team. Isn't there a saying along the line goals wins games, defense wins championships - something like that......??
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Individual scoring stats are unmeasureable and worthless in High Scool soccer regular season.So any current stats are a joke. Here's why. We have high school games where we purposely stop scoring. The most goals you'll ever see out of our high school team in a game is 8, sometimes 6. We've hit the 8 goals before halftime. At that point we're going to be playing keep away, or we would score in the 16 - 24 goal range. I saw a Fort Mill score of 14-0 tonight, I saw a girl score 6 goals in a 10-0 game last week, so how can you call that a scoring achievement.Those numbers are not from achievement, but are from NO competition. Stats probably shouldn't be tallied until playoffs start when you have real competition. Any regular SC High school scoring stats shouldn't even be registered.
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Excellent point, and a logical conclusion would be that any "all time scoring records" are useless too. Maybe counting personal stats in the playoffs would make more sense but then you might get some real big blowouts in first round matches every now and again mas player look to pad stats.
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Individual scoring stats are unmeasureable and worthless in High Scool soccer regular season.So any current stats are a joke. Here's why. We have high school games where we purposely stop scoring. The most goals you'll ever see out of our high school team in a game is 8, sometimes 6. We've hit the 8 goals before halftime. At that point we're going to be playing keep away, or we would score in the 16 - 24 goal range. I saw a Fort Mill score of 14-0 tonight, I saw a girl score 6 goals in a 10-0 game last week, so how can you call that a scoring achievement.Those numbers are not from achievement, but are from NO competition. Stats probably shouldn't be tallied until playoffs start when you have real competition. Any regular SC High school scoring stats shouldn't even be registered.
Fort Mill put up 14 against Fairfield Central in two 30-minute halves. It was senior night. All 8 seniors scored a goal, no player scored more than two goals. Usually in these matches, Fort Mill players are limited to one goal each.
I agree that high school stats are "unmeasureable", but FM is the last team in the state that should be "referenced" as padding their statistics.
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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Stats don't matter. Leave the judging to the FAWGs. They know when talent is in their vision and when it's not. Speaking of talent. Congratulations to Casey Black from Woodruff. She'll be receiving free tickets to the Pastor Troy concert at the VFW in St. Matthew's SC including backstage buffet passes (Dad's not welcome)! 
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"It was senior night. All 8 seniors scored a goal, no player scored more than two goals. Usually in these matches, Fort Mill players are limited to one goal each."
Nothing wrong with scoring as many goals as you can. When you start arranging on the field who is going to score because it's "Senior night", now that's a joke.(It's little Suzy Senior's turn to score because she hasn't scored this year) It is no longer a sport when you start doing that.
The only way your going to fix this is throw the size of the schools out of the HS soccer mix. Have a South Carolina power league with 12-16 teams. Riverside's,Mauldin's, Wando's are going to get much better competion from a 2a Woodruff, Christ Church than a big school like the Byrnes, Union's, Greer's. Then you can start counting scoring stats.
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I agree.
Coach P did an excellent job of arranging 4 divisions within the lowerstate and upperstate, based on competitiveness. Promotion/relegation would be a good idea but it's probably not practical with graduation turnover.
Coach P......bust out that list for us again please,
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Hurst, Is this what you are referring to? Posted 4/20/2010 in the thread: "Can or should Soccer have its own class in High School??” http://www.scsoccer.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=134068&page=21&fpart=2&vc=1Quote:
While we're dreaming, how about this based on the midseason Massey ratings:
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DIVISION I
Upper Conference: Dorman, Mauldin, TL Hanna, Riverside, Woodruff, Eastside, Spartanburg, Greenville, Christ Church, Boiling Springs, Byrnes, Wren, JL Mann, Hillcrest
Middle Conference: Ft Mill, South Aiken, Clover, Spring Valley, Lexington, Brookland-Cayce, Dutch Fork, Irmo, Blythewood, White Knoll, Ridgeview, Dreher
Lower Conference: Wando, Waccamaw, Hilton Head, Bishop England, West Ashley, Academic Magnet, West Florence, James Island, Summerville, Myrtle Beach, St James, Beaufort
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DIVISION II
Upper Conference: Wade Hampton, Travelers Rest, Walhalla, Seneca, Southside Christian, Belton-Honea Path, Easley, Pickens, Woodmont, Blue Ridge, Westside, Broome, West-Oak
Middle Conference: Chapin, Barnwell, Northwestern, Nation Ford, Airport, North Augusta, Gilbert, AC Flora, Rock Hill, Swansea, Aiken, Lancaster
Lower Conference: Stratford, Carolina Forest, Bluffton, Ft Dorchester, N Myrtle Beach, Berkeley, Ashley Ridge, Socastee, Colleton County, Hanahan, Conway, Sumter
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DIVISION III
Upper Conference: Gaffney, Southside, Greenwood, Greenville Tech, Chapman, Greer, Daniel, Union, Carolina Academy, Berea, Pendleton, Landrum, Laurens
Middle Conference: Richland NE, York, South Pointe, O'burg-Wilkinson, Indian Land, Andrew Jackson, Pelion, Lugoff-Elgin, Chester, Lewisville, Fairfield Central, Camden
Lower Conference: Hampton, Loris, Goose Creek, Hartsville, Garrett Tech, Timberland, South Florence, Woodland, Burke, Andrews, Crestwood
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SCHEDULE: Each team would play all of the teams in their conference once and schedule non-conference/interdivisional games to complete a 16 games schedule.
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PROMOTION/RELEGATION: Each year there would be promotion/relegation of four teams between the divisions of each conference. For example, the bottom two teams from D1-Upper would move down to D2-Upper and top two teams from D2-Upper would move up to D1-Upper.
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PLAYOFFS: The top four teams from each conference would enter a 12 team playoff system at each division level. For example, at D1, the top four Upper, top four Middle, and top four Lower would make the playoffs. The top team from each of the three conferences and a wild-card with the best record would get byes in the first round. The playoffs would then progress to quarterfinals, semifinals, and championship rounds. So there would be a D1 Champion, D2 Champion, and D3 Champion like there are in AAAA, AAA, and AA/A champions now.
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This is clever Master Coach P! I like it!
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