Post boys playoff scores and results in this thread ...

Class 3A First Round
Myrtle Beach, SC

Socastee 2-0 Brookland-Cayce
Halftime: S 1-0 BC.
Goals: (S) Matt Taylor 16'; (S) Paul Ajuech 48'.
Assists: (S) Dimitris Leftis 2.
Shots: S 12-13 BC.
Saves: (S) Tyler Davidson 7; (BC) Josh Boatwright 6.
Corner Kicks: S 6-6 BC.
Offsides: S 1-0 BC.
Fouls: S 10-6 BC.
Cautions: (S) Ty Sessions 70'; (BC) Javier Gonzalez 73'.
Weather: Wet, 72 Degrees.
Records: S (16-4); BC (16-7-2).
Notes: B-C would like to thank the officiating crew and the Socastee HS Administration for working diligently to get the match played. Also, kudos to the SHS staff which provided California Pizza and Gatorade for the B-C coaches/players after the match, which was delayed 1 hour, 45 minutes from the original kickoff time of 7 p.m., in Myrtle Beach. The hospitality and professionalism was first-class!

Riverside @ Irmo

Irmo 5
Lunceford
Dunbaker
Jenkins (Dunbaker)
Lunceford (Foard)
Lunceford (Dunbaker)

Riverside 0

was that beauforts wake up call or just one small slice of cake

All this banter over which regions and schedules are tougher is funny. Maybe, just maybe, the talent around the state is starting to spread out a bit.

How has no one posted the MB-Chapin score yet?

@ GSSM
GSSM - 2, Bamberg-Ehrhardt - 1

Lower State 1A Title: GSSM vs Charleston Charter, Tuesday 5/17

Wade Hampton G 3 Walhalla 1

Great game back and forth. Congrats to WH they played well and good luck in the upper state.

Thanks to all who supported the Razorbacks this year, especially Seniors thank you. Walhalla had a great season.

Myrtle Beach 2 Chapin 1

@ J.L.Mann
Mauldin 2
J.L.Mann 3
The Season comes to an end but the Memories will live for ever.

Anyone got the Flora Hilton Head score??

AC flora 2 HHI 1 great season by Hilton head you young men surprised a lot of people in the soccer community and made a name for you all! Best of luck to you guys in the future and Congrats to AC and good luck Tuesday that shall be a great game who is going to states???

@ Carolina Forest
Wando 1 Carolina Forest 0

31': W - Dustin Bailey (Brandon Burkholder)

Shutout: W - Teddy Weil

Wando will host Beaufort Tuesday for the AAAA Boys Lower State Championship.

St. Joseph's 1
Southside Christian 0

#2 St. Joseph's @ #1 Christ Church - Upperstate Final
5/17 7:30 PM

Haha If I can recall last year when J.L. Mann won the 3A State championship the fans started a chant saying "We want Irmo!".... Haha well they got Irmo now.

"Now that we're done pretending, I call it 3-1 Lexington wins and gives Beaufort they're very well deserved wake up call."

SJE soccer genius, thanks for the wake up call!

Ha I guess I was wrong... Oh well no more homefield advantage anymore though.. Will you guys step it up and beat Wando?

sje if only it were the same 10 great senior players mann had and the same fans from last year then it would count but this is a totally different year with different players and fans so it doesn't mean anything now.

Well my man, once again nobody will believe in us and our backs will be against the wall against a VERY strong and deep side, but this group has proven (to me at least) that they can rise to any challenge. They are well coached, have strong senior leadership, and are definitely not one dimensional. ANYTHING is possible with this team.
You are right we won't have the home field advantage, but I got a feeling we may be able to find a few loud mouth fans willing to travel up to Mount P and encourage our boys in their battle against Goliath. Just a hunch.

I'm pretty sure one year doesn't give you a whole bunch of new fans. I guarantee that the majaorty of fans from last year are gonna be at Irmo to support their team on Tuesday..... And well the players, well the rising Seniors this year need to step it up!

Yurpi. I doubt a team that was almost taken down by one player that was last years team you beat in the finals could beat Irmo last, this, and even next year. Different level. Bring them back. I bet they wouldnt win state again. Even in AAA if everyone came back. Just get ride of one idiot that runs on a field win his home team is playing

First of all fix your english cause that makes no sense. I am guessing that you are from Chapin but really I think that Mann dominated South Aiken and even dominated Eastside and every team they played in playoffs last year. I am not sure what you are talking about bar but i never even said anything about mann beating irmo I just said it is a different team and different fans. And SJE there are only 2 seniors that even play from the Mann team this year

Mann will be sick in two years. too young this year and no leadership. Next year will be a good year for them but then the following year..... State.

Yurpi. (I doubt a team that was almost taken down by one player that was last years team you beat in the finals could beat Irmo last, this, and even next year.) JL Mann last year beat a one man team that was Brady Francis in state finals. And still had to do it on the lack of sufficient refs for the game. JL Mann could also never beat Irmo even if you brought back all the people on their team last year. (Different level) AAA cant keep up with Irmo, Wando, or the old NW. (Bring them back. I bet they wouldnt win state again.) If there was a rematch of last years playoffs, it would be SA vs. Chapin.

Make more since for you. Im saying that no matter if things were said with last years team, they actually wernt that great with the supposed talent they had.

It is stupid to say the Mann team form last year would not stand a chance against Irmo. They had a group of seniors that had 5 CESA premier team players and basically ran through 3A. If you watched their run through the playoffs, they dominated. I guarantee they would have been getting a whole lot more respect if they had been in 4A because that is all people on these boards seem to care about. I would pay to see Mann's team last year play this year's Irmo.

As for this next matchup, Im not sure the young Mann team can hang with a very organized and talented Irmo team. What I saw them do against Riverside was impressive and showed how strong they are.

Mann will be very strong for years to come and will be putting some more state championship rings in coach Hosea's trophy case. then maybe they will get some of the respect they deserve.

Obviously Bar is a Chapin fan that is bitter that his or her team didnt make it to the finals. I think they lost to Eastside in last years playoffs...I also believe Mann ran through that Eastside team in the Upperstate game. So not sure how you think Chapin would have made it to the finals.

Bar, what "single" player almost took down Mann in the State Championship? Looking back at the game i believe Mann out shot SA 17-4 and dominated in every aspect. Irmo had a great team last year and arguably a better team this year, i will give you that, but i feel like last years Mann squad had more than enough talent to take down Irmo and i would love to be able to see those two teams play. I got a good laugh out of the comment that the old Mann squad could not win state again...even in 3a. 3a soccer is a bit bland this year. When you have teams like Fort Mill, Wade Hampton, and Walhalla in the Upperstate this year it just shows you how watered down it really is. Mann would have easily have beaten all those teams. In the lower state its just Chapin, a team that lost Joey DeMare who scored 80 percent of their goals last year. 3a is not the only level thats lacking overall talent, 4a is a bit watered down this year as well, yes Irmo is a very strong side with an immense amount of talent/ability, but thats about it. NW was far below the NW we all usually expect to see and for Mann, a team who is not as strong as its past 2 teams, can jump up from 3a (which you seem to think is inferior to 4a) to 4a, into the toughest region in the state i might add, and still get a region title and a trip to upperstate, shows how 4a saw a bit of a drop of from last year. While i do believe that Irmo will beat Mann pretty easily this year you cant count Mann out entirely...Irmo tends to have some trouble winning BIG games in recent history. If your last comment was reffering to the Chapin/Eastside game last year i will agree with you that Chapin was the better team and should have moved on to upperstate. It would have been a much better game to watch and probably wouldnt have been a 5-1 stomping like last year, but with Mann have 5 players who played with DeMare and against him in club, they could have easily shut him down therefore virtually shutting down Chapin's ability to score. This year i feel upperstate will be a 4-1 or 5-1 win for Irmo. They just have too many talented players for Mann to keep up with, but Nicky Watson from Mann will score his teams lone goal. He is an extremely good player and at only a sophomore we get the pleasure of watching him for 2 more years. Irmo will finally win state this year and they deserve it.

I looked back the last couple of years to see comparable records between NW, Irmo and Mann. I can safely say that there is no way Mann would have been able to hang with either Irmo or NW the past couple of years. Anybody that is saying that they could have is delusional. Irmo has had two losses the last three years combined, both came in the state championship game. NW has also had six losses over the same time, but they only had two losses over the past two years when they won the state championship. Mann has had 12 losses over the same time against weaker 3A teams as compared to either NW or Irmo. Mann is going to have to beat Irmo the next couple of years, and it is going to be difficult to do so. Irmo has a ton of underclassmen coming up, so to say Mann is going to win it all for sure the in the next year or two is being too cocky. I am not saying that Irmo is for sure going to win it all, but they are going to be strong. It all depends on how well the team gels together, injuries, and coaching.

To say that Irmo has had problems winning big games is a false statement. Irmo has two losses in the state championship game, they lost to a BETTER NW team. That is only two losses in three years. How can you say that they are having problems winning big games. They went through a tough Wando team each year to make it to the championship game.

There is a reason that 4A tends to be the only thing that people on these boards only seem to care about. That is because they have a larger school population to draw from for their talent. When I attended Irmo, we had over 800 kids in a class to draw from. There was no way that small schools could expect to compete with large schools like that that had a soccer tradition. It is just a numbers and talent pool thing. Now you do get those freaky good teams that have a ton of good players on them that are smaller schools, but those aren't the norm.

We will see who wins the game on Tuesday, but I would venture a guess that Irmo is going to win this one 4-1 or 5-1. By looking at either teams record this year, I just don't see that Mann can hang with Irmo's depth. Nothing is a done deal, but I am pretty confident that Irmo will dispose of them handily and make it to the state championship game again.

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Mann will be sick in two years. too young this year and no leadership. Next year will be a good year for them but then the following year..... State.

Yes Mann will be very talented but Wando will have around 13-15 seniors that year...many of who play for the academy

The last two Mann teams have been great teams. The one in 2009 only lost two regular season games and the 2010 walked to a state championship. The reason that Mann has a few more losses over the past three years is because they have always played in a region with Eastside, Riverside, and Greenville. That is three teams that have recently won state championships that you end up playing twice a year.(sometimes 3 times) 4a may have the most talented team every year but 3a always has a lot of depth and always seem to compete in the BC tournament where it puts 4a vs 3a. 4a does have a lot of talent but seems to think a little too highly of itself. I believe a 3a team called Greenville was National Champs a few years back. I highly doubt this years Irmo to could compete with that greenville squad that maybe gave up three goals all year.

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The one in 2009 only lost two regular season games and the 2010 walked to a state championship.

Walked to a state championship? Goodness me! Mann wasn't even the best team in 3A in 2010! They were beaten and dominated by Riverside both times the two teams met, and one has to believe Mann couldn't believe their luck not to meet Riverside in the playoffs. To be the best you have to beat the best, and Mann certainly did not accomplish that in 2010.

J.L. Mann 2010 Playoffs

Woodmont 14-0
Blue Ridge 5-1
A.C. Flora 4-0
Eastside 5-1
South Aiken 2-0

Seems like walking with an exception of the final where they turned it up to a light run.

Yes they did lose to Riverside twice and they probably were a great team. But if they were the truely better than Mann they would have beat an Eastside team that got steam rolled by Mann. Last time I checked, winning the State Championship makes you the best.

"Great teams find a way to win"

Mann found a way to win through the playoffs and state....Riverside did not.

Please do not confuse greatness with form.

You'd be amazed how often the "best" team loses to the "form" team in high school sports.

Best team was Riverside last year 3A... Best coaching.... not same place. That's why Riverside lost.

You cant blame the coaching for a team not performing. Im pretty sure the riverside coach has won a few championships so I think he knows what's he is doing. They just didn't have it all put together to make a run in the playoffs when it actually counted.

i don't believe i would call the state championship game last year a light jog or a walk in the park for mann. if my memory serves me correctly, i believe it was scoreless until about 10 minutes left? the stats will show a game dominated by mann, but i feel like they had to earn that one, not just jog around.

Key words in previous post: LAST YEAR.
High school teams grow/change/evolve. "Last year" is not wildly relevant. Just ask Northwestern.

is there any info on beaufort boys season schedule & scores?

their official site is blank for soccer, evidently they couldn't find a 4yr old to enter data.

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is there any info on beaufort boys season schedule & scores?

their official site is blank for soccer, evidently they couldn't find a 4yr old to enter data.

S.C. Scoreboard @ Eurosport - Beaufort HS
http://www.eurosportscoreboard.com/page_team.php?id=3948&year=2011

big thanks coach

Indian Land @ Gilbert postponed until Wednesday at 6:00 p.m.

J.L. Mann @ Irmo delayed until 8:00 p.m., start time due to inclement weather in the Midlands.

Myrtle Beach 4 - AC Flora 1

At Wando

Wando 2
Beaufort 2

Wando scored at 2 mins mark and went up 2-0 at 12 mins. Then we got our legs. Second getting under way.

Keep Updating for the Beaufort game

beaufort/wando update???

someone please update i cant take da drama

Score and time left?

Wando 4 and Beaufort 3

Final?

4-3 Wando

Final

if thats the final im sad, but so very proud of the Beaufort boys, whats up Greenlee, hope all is well. Congrats to the seniors from Beaufort who helped to make this the most successful team in history, congrats to Gabe for a great season you should be proud

i know its soon after a tough defeat but would like a recap of goals / how the game flowed/ crowd ect. thanks to all yall who keep us informed when we are unable to attend

Upstate Final Eastside 1 WadeHampton 0

A great season for Beaufort!
What up zokker

3A State Championship Saturday at 430 Eastside v. Myrtle Beach..

Any update on Upstate 1A?

From BE's website.

Final

Bishop England 1
Academic Magnet 0

AAAA Lower State Championship

Wando 4 Beaufort 3

Scoring:
2' W - Brandon Burkholder (Erik Clark)
12' W - Dustin Bailey
20' B - Christian Faale
38' B - Andrew Settlemire
******Halftime*******
56' W - Hamilton Carlin
75' B - Andrew Settlemire
76' W - Hamilton Carlin (Zack North)

Wando 25-4 Beaufort 19-4-2

Wando advances to the AAAA State Championship where they will play.......Irmo.

beaufort scored late in the 1st to go 2-2 at the half.
the first 40 was pretty even posession wise but wando got a few more shots i think.
2nd half wando seemed more dominant, went up 3-2 for a long time, then beaufort scored on an indirect to tie with 5 minutes left. wando was jacked up & put a header in 1 minute later for the win. it wasn't as physical as i expected. wando has some work to do before saturday, better tighten up on defense & get smarter in the offensive 3rd. they were fine in the middle tho.
beaufort brought a good crowd & their boys were in it to the end.

Eastside better not give the state championship to the lower state again like they did last time for the lower states second win in state.

Christ Church 5 St Joes 2 FINAL

Any word on Mann/Irmo?

irmo 2 mann 1

Academic Magnet 0
Bishop England 1

Goal with about 21-22 minutes left in the game.

I am very proud of my boys and the season we had! I want to thank the parents and my AD for their support this season and the changes we made this year.

By the way.... pretty good officiating.

Upperstate 3A final @ Eastside
Eastside 1
Wade Hampton 0

Goal scored off a set piece. A long throw in and Tyler Fletcher was able to head it through a crowd with about 12 minutes to go. Game was back and forth. EHS had most of the attack as WHHS's keeper was top notch tonight. WHHS put up a frantic attack the last 5 but could not find the back of the net. Hats off to WHHS-Matty Flynn, Johnny McGaha (a jr), and EHS-Joey Shovelton for making all state. Good luck to the eagles (as I fear they will need it)!

Upperstate 1A Final

Christ Church 5
St. Joseph's 2

The game did go to overtime. The score was closer than the final score indicates. Congratulations to Christ Church on a hard fought victory.

Look forward to watching St. Joseph's in the next few years with only two graduating seniors this year and a load of quality underclassmen.

Heck of a game, Sucks to see Burni get taken out like that, St. Joes had one hit off post in last two minutes of regulation. But saying that congrats to Christ Church.

Same private schools in the finals every year...

It's fairly obvious how insignificant these private school state championship victories mean to anyone, especially the private school players. When winning is so easy nothing holds a great degree of significance. Has to suck to win all those meaningless state championships. If I were golliath, i would pound david 9/10 times. Not like that feels good or anything.

I wonder if anyone at these private schools has thought about how much they rob their players of the chance to face real adversity. These players never have to feel worthy of anything. Christ Church, Bishop England, 8/10 years have way more talented teams than their public school counterparts (although either team mentioned would greatly struggle to win SCISA league).

Has to suck to be a player and know you don't have to work hard to win. If I were the coach of a team like that, i'd feel pathetic knowing I wasn't challenging myself and especially my players to our fullest potential. Some people like it the easy way, though. Very sad. Very sad.

Brock,

That's what tournaments and non-region schedules are for, to get competitive matches that you might not get in your region or in the state play-offs.

You want BE and CC to apologize for the size of their enrollment, or are you just upset that they are there at the end every year?

Have you looked at the recent history of the girls 4A state finals? How do we criticize Wando and Mauldin for simply being "good"?

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Same private schools in the finals every year...

It's fairly obvious how insignificant these private school state championship victories mean to anyone, especially the private school players. When winning is so easy nothing holds a great degree of significance. Has to suck to win all those meaningless state championships. If I were golliath, i would pound david 9/10 times. Not like that feels good or anything.

I wonder if anyone at these private schools has thought about how much they rob their players of the chance to face real adversity. These players never have to feel worthy of anything. Christ Church, Bishop England, 8/10 years have way more talented teams than their public school counterparts (although either team mentioned would greatly struggle to win SCISA league).

Has to suck to be a player and know you don't have to work hard to win. If I were the coach of a team like that, i'd feel pathetic knowing I wasn't challenging myself and especially my players to our fullest potential. Some people like it the easy way, though. Very sad. Very sad.

Not that I don't totally disagree with your statement because I think it's quite unfair myself but, I must remind you that Chapin has more money behind every player than any other public school in the state. Nobody operates on an equal level in HS athletics. You either do less with more, more with less or par for the course. BE/CC making the State Championship is about par for the course. BE losing a State Championship to an overhead kick in Sudden-Death? Call it what you want, less with more, underachieving, etc. I call it awesome. I agree with you though. The SCISA league would become extremely interesting to follow with all private schools lumped into it. This year it was kind of a 1.5 horse race. Yeah, PP was in the thick of it but most people agreed CN was the class of SCISA without equal. The last 7 years it was the opposite in PP's favor. It would be a great league with CC/BE/St.J/SSC in it; at least for soccer.

Brock - Did you see the scores of the BE and CC games? BE had a tough game with AMHS (1-0)and CC had to go to overtime to win. Yes they are always in the finals (usually win), but they do not have cake walks to get there. Will they both win state championships again this Saturday? I would think both will be favored to do so.

When you look at the enrollments, BE is below 750 now (used to be in the mid 900's), and I think CC was in the mid 300's. Even if you used a multiplier for private schools (1.5 x enrollment), both would probably remain in their same classification. So, I am not sure what you want to see happen.

The following is the link to the article on the Lower State 1A champion: http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/may/18/soccer-riptide-advance-state-final/

It is fantastic that they made it to the state finals in their first year of varsity soccer. They did this with 5 girls on the team - one being the starting goalie. Do they have much of a chance against Christ Church? I would think not, but it is quite an accomplishment to get there.

Also, I am sure a lot will recognize the name of their coach.

Brock,

Just in from the British Bulldog I see.

So Chapin's two AA state titles are "meaningless" and the players didnt/dont value them?

Are state titles less important to Coach Savitz and Irmo because they play for them every year or so?

I think you are way off base here. I can tell you this, there are 27 players at CN that think their "lil state title" is VERY VERY significant. And trust me they do work hard.

I think all Coach Brock is saying is that private schools are able to offer scholarships to students that live in their general area. Enrollment has nothing to do with it.

That said, I have friends that coach many of these teams who are great people and excellent coaches which I am sure also extends to their parent base. I am just as sure these players and coaches work hard to achieve their goals.

Private schools can offer atmospheres and in some cases academic challenges hard to match at thier public school counterparts.

I am not trying to bash any of these schools or coaches--some fine teams and fine coaches, as mentioned above--but it is what it is.

If public schools(or their representatives) approach players outside of thier attendance area, the penalty the HSL can and does impose is the most severe they hand out--banishment of the program for a year or playoff banishment or both.

I think this is what frustrates Coach Brock.

We moved to the SCHSL to further the advancement of our entire atheletic program, not just soccer. That being said, I would love better competition in the playoffs. I fully support Coach Eudy joining the high school league. Frank would love it!

BK
St. Joseph's Assistant Coach

Something to consider, I believe this is how North Carolina handles a private school playing under the NCHSL banner.
When a private school joins the HSL they must join at a classification higher. For example, the teams in discussion here CC & BE would automatically be classified as AA schools.
This part I'm not sure on, but I believe that once a private school wins a state championship, they then move up a classification. So at this point both CC & BE would be competing in AAAA for soccer.
Now I'm not sure how that would work. Would it be for just that specific sport, do all sports move up, are they permanently moved up, and is this only done when conferences are realigned? But I do feel that moving a private school up in classification is one way to make things extremely interesting as far as soccer is concerned! This may create the most "fair" and "level" playing field possible.

If you can't win upper or lower state championships with a area thats the riches in the state and a SUPER CLUB with plans to rule the universe, you might wanna step aside and let someone else take over or GET Better! These teams do in soccer but lets be honest soccer is the only Core Sport where this happens. I'll be d if Christ Church or Bishop England beat Bamberg-Ehrhardt, Scotts Branch, or North in football or basketball!

Will, you took my statement out of context. I know you and about your program. Your state title means A TON. You won it against other private schools.

*I'm referring to private schools who, for some reason or another, 80% of the time have way more talent than their opponents in A or AA public school soccer.

Chapin won their state titles in AA. Chapin can't control who attends Chapin. Chapin is a public school. The school is located in a nice area. Same with Irmo. Same with Wando.

And about Irmo. They actually have to struggle to win state titles year in and year out. That's not always the case down in AA and A. Sometimes the talent gap is too big to matter. People are going to bring up B-L last year. That was a fluke.

Anyhow, I wasn't at the British Bulldog. I hope you see my point. Not knocking your program at all.

OHHHHH YEEEAHHHH!!!

I can't speak for any of the other private schools in SC, but anyone who believes BE gives scholarships is being ignorant. Plain and simple. I played and started for BE from 2000-2003 and a large reason we were always so competitive is because the same group of guys had grown up together through the Catholic school system and participated on the same club teams since we were in middle school.

Yes, there are no 'zoning restrictions' that determine who can and can't attend the school, but don't sit there and think Coach Khouri (or whoever) is out recruiting kids to come play for BE.

And Brock...

Seeing that you're a high school coach in SC, I find it very unprofessional of you to come on this message board and bash players who can't control what division they play in. Like they have a say in that....

Pleeeaase.

If you look at the private school soccer rosters, you only find a handful of year round club players versus 4A schools where you have to play club soccer to make the team - especially in strong soccer club cities. At least on CC team, the majority of the team plays football in the fall, basketball in the winter and high school soccer in the spring. The goals in the upper state playoffs were made by the school's football quarterback, a college recruited football kicker, and one by a year round soccer player. They don't all have club soccer experience but are all excellent athletes and students. Maybe the key difference is the private schools can get good professional soccer coaches who know how to train and develop a good group of athletes to play soccer.

Mark,
I can assure you I am not ignorant--and two of my personal experiences come from competing against B.E. When I was at Summerville the year after we won state in 84(B.E.won it that same year) Dieter Beckmann(who helped out your first head coach Susan Arnold) approached me and told me he had become aware of a scholarship fund that was in place and that he was only giving me a "heads up" because he felt a couple of our players and parents were going to be approached.

When I was at Fort Dorchester in the mid 90's several of my players told me of a strong player(Brack Hahn)that lived 35 miles from B.E. and living in our district that openly talked of this.

Within a year, a family moved from Florida( very nice African American family--father was an officer in the Coast Guard and had been transferred to Charleston and they lived in our distict)requsted a tour of FDHS and athletic facilities. They had 2 sons who were supposed to be very good players.
A week later the parents came by to thank me for my time and to inform me the boys had been offered a scholarship(their words, not mine) to attend Pinewood.

These are the personal experiences I know of because I experienced them. I am again not out to bash these schools or their programs, just to state facts as I know them.

I don't think it is unprofessional. This is an open forum. I find it unfair for athletes in AA and A who cannot compete against a school like BE or CC. They never get a sniff of a state title.

It's like the coach from St. Joe's said, 'he would like more competition in the playoffs.'

When winning is so easy, it doesn't mean as much. That is what I feel bad about for both parties in this argument. I just want to see more competition. That's my case.

I have no more to say b/c the situation will never change.

The reality is, some private schools actively recruit (and scholarship) athletes. Years ago, when Porter-Gaud proactively sought to enhance the diversity of its student-body, it took the opportunity to recruit student-athletes into the fold. Pinewood also aggressively recruits and supports student-athletes.
It's a tad more complex at the Catholic schools, such as B.E. But please, PLEASE, don't portray the Bishops as Simon Pure. Their coaches are ALWAYS on the lookout, and word is that soccer players are "encouraged" to play their club soccer for DISA.
My solution for those who don't like the public/private crossover is simple: Either legislate a more equitable enrollment/affiliation formula, or get your local public school to improve its level of play.

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The following is the link to the article on the Lower State 1A champion: http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/may/18/soccer-riptide-advance-state-final/

It is fantastic that they made it to the state finals in their first year of varsity soccer. They did this with 5 girls on the team - one being the starting goalie. Do they have much of a chance against Christ Church? I would think not, but it is quite an accomplishment to get there.

Also, I am sure a lot will recognize the name of their coach.

This is an incredible story. Congrats to the Riptide for making the state championship in their first year of varsity competition with a true co-ed team and no twelfth graders. I understand that there are no more than 2 players on the roster that even play club ball and that some of whom are either in their first year of organized soccer or haven't played since they played "micro ball." Kudos to Hayne Painter for the way he has coached up his kids. Hopefully, they will be able to acquit themselves nicely on Saturday against heavily, heavily favored Christ Church Episcopal.

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Same private schools in the finals every year...

It's fairly obvious how insignificant these private school state championship victories mean to anyone, especially the private school players. When winning is so easy nothing holds a great degree of significance. Has to suck to win all those meaningless state championships. If I were golliath, i would pound david 9/10 times. Not like that feels good or anything.

I wonder if anyone at these private schools has thought about how much they rob their players of the chance to face real adversity. These players never have to feel worthy of anything. Christ Church, Bishop England, 8/10 years have way more talented teams than their public school counterparts (although either team mentioned would greatly struggle to win SCISA league).

Has to suck to be a player and know you don't have to work hard to win. If I were the coach of a team like that, i'd feel pathetic knowing I wasn't challenging myself and especially my players to our fullest potential. Some people like it the easy way, though. Very sad. Very sad.

Wow - where to begin. First, I don't think that Christ Church or Bishop England would "struggle" in SCISA. Yes, Cardinal Newman is nationally ranked this year and, yes, Pinewood has quite a streak going against BE (almost all of them have been won in PKs), but CCES and BE would be very competitive and very welcome in SCISA AAA.

Conversely, other posters on here try to denigrade Pinewood's SCISA championships with the constant refrain of "Why don't you play in the public school league?" First of all, its the High School League not the "public school league." There have always been private schools in the High School League. A number of SCISA members (Porter-Gaud, Heathwood Hall, Cardinal Newman and Ben Lippen for four) are former High School League members. Secondly, notwithstanding Christ Church and St Joseph's, Pinewood would find even less competition in SCHSL Single A (particularly now that AMHS has moved to AA). Now, if Pinewood and Porter-Gaud both went to SCHSL to play AA in everything except American football, that would be a completely different story. A region with AMHS, BE, Pinewood and Porter would be a natural (Pinewood and Porter could play with Military Magnet, Burke, St. John's and Baptist Hill in Single A football).

What I would really like to see is the top independent, parochial, Christian, magnet and charter schools all play in the same division (whether a division of SCHSL or of SCISA).

Here is what such a new division might look like:

Upstate Region: Christ Church, Greenville Tech Charter, St. Joseph's, Southside Christian and Spartanburg Day

Midlands Region: Ben Lippen, Camden Military, Cardinal Newman, Hammond, Heathwood Hall and Wilson Hall

Lowcountry Region: Academic Magnet, Ashley Hall, Bishop England, Pinewood and Porter-Gaud,

And perhaps a second Lowcountry Region: First Baptist, Hilton Head Christian, Hilton Head Prep and Northwood.

Bishop England would be the top dog in such a division in that its enrollment is more than twice that of Porter-Gaud (the next largest school) but so be it. I don't think you would hear any whining of "no fair" from the from rest of us. Sometimes, you just have to buck up and play harder.

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Same private schools in the finals every year...

It's fairly obvious how insignificant these private school state championship victories mean to anyone, especially the private school players. When winning is so easy nothing holds a great degree of significance. Has to suck to win all those meaningless state championships. If I were golliath, i would pound david 9/10 times. Not like that feels good or anything.

I wonder if anyone at these private schools has thought about how much they rob their players of the chance to face real adversity. These players never have to feel worthy of anything. Christ Church, Bishop England, 8/10 years have way more talented teams than their public school counterparts (although either team mentioned would greatly struggle to win SCISA league).

Has to suck to be a player and know you don't have to work hard to win. If I were the coach of a team like that, i'd feel pathetic knowing I wasn't challenging myself and especially my players to our fullest potential. Some people like it the easy way, though. Very sad. Very sad.

Hate to continue the hijacking of this thread, but it appears Coach Scott has traded one "country club" school for another! Isn't this just sour grapes from the Emerald playing and coaching days? Always claiming to be the best "public school" (that had a lot more soccer resources than say Walhalla or Batesburg-Leesville) yet always losing to Bishop England in the Championship (I think y'all won it once or maybe twice). You can find out who is good in soccer (or supposed to be good) by checking out the annually produced Poverty Index. I bet most of those teams still playing hail from those more privileged schools. If those teams aren't winning then check to see who is in charge.

Hey oldskool, how is BE being more than twice the size of PG any different than AAAA teams? Over the last decade we were always one of the smallest AAAA schools yet had to compete with some that were 3,000+ and a lot with more than 2,500+.

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Same private schools in the finals every year...

It's fairly obvious how insignificant these private school state championship victories mean to anyone, especially the private school players. When winning is so easy nothing holds a great degree of significance. Has to suck to win all those meaningless state championships. If I were golliath, i would pound david 9/10 times. Not like that feels good or anything.

I wonder if anyone at these private schools has thought about how much they rob their players of the chance to face real adversity. These players never have to feel worthy of anything. Christ Church, Bishop England, 8/10 years have way more talented teams than their public school counterparts (although either team mentioned would greatly struggle to win SCISA league).

Has to suck to be a player and know you don't have to work hard to win. If I were the coach of a team like that, i'd feel pathetic knowing I wasn't challenging myself and especially my players to our fullest potential. Some people like it the easy way, though. Very sad. Very sad.

Wow - where to begin. First, I don't think that Christ Church or Bishop England would "struggle" in SCISA. Yes, Cardinal Newman is nationally ranked this year and, yes, Pinewood has quite a streak going against BE (almost all of them have been won in PKs), but CCES and BE would be very competitive and very welcome in SCISA AAA.

Conversely, other posters on here try to denigrade Pinewood's SCISA championships with the constant refrain of "Why don't you play in the public school league?" First of all, its the High School League not the "public school league." There have always been private schools in the High School League. A number of SCISA members (Porter-Gaud, Heathwood Hall, Cardinal Newman and Ben Lippen for four) are former High School League members. Secondly, notwithstanding Christ Church and St Joseph's, Pinewood would find even less competition in SCHSL Single A (particularly now that AMHS has moved to AA). Now, if Pinewood and Porter-Gaud both went to SCHSL to play AA in everything except American football, that would be a completely different story. A region with AMHS, BE, Pinewood and Porter would be a natural (Pinewood and Porter could play with Military Magnet, Burke, St. John's and Baptist Hill in Single A football).

What I would really like to see is the top independent, parochial, Christian, magnet and charter schools all play in the same division (whether a division of SCHSL or of SCISA).

Here is what such a new division might look like:

Upstate Region: Christ Church, Greenville Tech Charter, St. Joseph's, Southside Christian and Spartanburg Day

Midlands Region: Ben Lippen, Camden Military, Cardinal Newman, Hammond, Heathwood Hall and Wilson Hall

Lowcountry Region: Academic Magnet, Ashley Hall, Bishop England, Pinewood and Porter-Gaud,

And perhaps a second Lowcountry Region: First Baptist, Hilton Head Christian, Hilton Head Prep and Northwood.

Bishop England would be the top dog in such a division in that its enrollment is more than twice that of Porter-Gaud (the next largest school) but so be it. I don't think you would hear any whining of "no fair" from the from rest of us. Sometimes, you just have to buck up and play harder.

Hatem- I think you nailed it.

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Hey oldskool, how is BE being more than twice the size of PG any different than AAAA teams? Over the last decade we were always one of the smallest AAAA schools yet had to compete with some that were 3,000+ and a lot with more than 2,500+. ...

I hear ya, Old Gal. I have always thought it was silly for SCISA to have 3 classifications(4 for American football) when its largest school has 350 high school students. All SCISA schools would play in the same class (Single A) in the High School League.

But, size does matter - at least to some extent. Enrollment is a particularly big deal in American football where you really need to have 40 kids, chin straps on, ready to go. Its only a medium-size deal in soccer and baseball where you really only need about 13 or so kids ready to go). Its practically not a factor in basketball and other sports.

My point about BE playing non-public schools is this: With an enrollment of more than 700, BE is twice the size of the next biggest non-public school, but it is three, four, and even five times the size of some of the other independent schools I listed (I believe Hilton Head Prep for example only has about 140 high school students). Nobody in AAAA is playing schools twice their size (particularly in football) much less four or five times their size.

As I said in my first post, my only point was that BE does not give scholarships - at least not when I played - and those were arguably BE's best teams ever.

I can't speak for other private schools, but it's a huge misconception to think BE does.

And it isn't like BE is out ther demolishing every team they play. Sure, the first couple of rounds are gimmies but after that it's always been a battle. This is the case for any level of soccer...from high school to professional. There will always be powerhouses in sports.

Of my 4 years on the varsity team, we were in the finals every year, winning 2 of them. But how can someone who is a a coach of the very same team that BE would see EVERY YEAR in the finals, talk and say that competition isn't fair??? Chapin grew, so you guys moved to 3A. BE hasn't grown.

Really? I thought AAAA enrollments bottomed out around 1600 and maxed out around 3200-3400. Colleton County/Walterboro has been hovering at a low number for years.

The reason why private schools are divided by enrollment is simple: resources. You can't tell me that the larger private schools (Porter, Pinewood, Hammond, Heathwood Hall, etc.), aren't dealing with a diferent set of constraints than schools like Archibald Rutledge and Trident Academy.

http://scsoccer.com/135%20emailed%205-13-11.pdf

135-Day ADM Ranking of Schools - May 13, 2011

Wando=3493
Beaufort=1598

That's not as bad as Battery Creek- 3A
Cane Bay-1443
Bluffton-1479
Berkeley-1281
Hilton Head- 1174
Battery Creek-822

Really needed that new school????

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That's not as bad as Battery Creek- 3A
Cane Bay-1443
Bluffton-1479
Berkeley-1281
Hilton Head- 1174
Battery Creek-822

Really needed that new school????

I understand that Battery Creek will begin playing in AA in 2012.

Eventually, though, you can expect that school board to try to close Battery Creek and send the students to Beaufort and Whale Branch.

They should have never built Whale Branch, all political, biggest waste of 32 million dollars.Could use that now!!!!

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They should have never built Whale Branch, all political, biggest waste of 32 million dollars.Could use that now!!!!

You'd be hard pressed to get anyone to argue that!

Ok, so, where I come from, a "branch," in addition to being part of a tree, is a small creek or stream..something that "branches" off from a main river. And a whale is, well...a whale. So please understand if I just can't wrap my mind around the name "Whale Branch"...it just doesn't fit.

Unless we're talking about those pesky tree whales...

There's plenty of AAAA schools playing against schools twice their size. Enrollment does matter in every sport simply because the larger the school, the greater the pool to choose from. The odds are that you'll get more good players than a small school. Location is also quite important. Rural schools, regardless of size, will likely do worse than urban or suburban schools in a sport like soccer. In our state, soccer is still viewed as a "rich kid" sport by the majority.

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There's plenty of AAAA schools playing against schools twice their size. Enrollment does matter in every sport simply because the larger the school, the greater the pool to choose from. The odds are that you'll get more good players than a small school. Location is also quite important. Rural schools, regardless of size, will likely do worse than urban or suburban schools in a sport like soccer. In our state, soccer is still viewed as a "rich kid" sport by the majority.

Which makes the run that the boy's from Beaufort had all the more impressive when you consider that the closest club of any significance is 75 miles away.
Hats off to Coach Wayne Quinlan of Hilton Head High who coached many of our guys last fall.

Gilbert-3, Indian Land-2

2A Upper State Championship @ Gilbert 5/18

Gilbert 3

Indian Land 2

Sconners,
Thanks for your comments. But, I am not going to accept any praise for what BHS did this year. They were a hard-working, technically gifted bunch with great attitudes long before I got them last fall. Credit should go to Gabe and to their own efforts. That club side was the most enjoyable club side I had ever coached. I hope more NOB (North of Broad River) players will join us SOB's for club tryouts next week.

Email me for details wayne.quinlan@beaufort.k12.sc.us.

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Same private schools in the finals every year...

It's fairly obvious how insignificant these private school state championship victories mean to anyone, especially the private school players. When winning is so easy nothing holds a great degree of significance. Has to suck to win all those meaningless state championships. If I were golliath, i would pound david 9/10 times. Not like that feels good or anything.

I wonder if anyone at these private schools has thought about how much they rob their players of the chance to face real adversity. These players never have to feel worthy of anything. Christ Church, Bishop England, 8/10 years have way more talented teams than their public school counterparts (although either team mentioned would greatly struggle to win SCISA league).

Has to suck to be a player and know you don't have to work hard to win. If I were the coach of a team like that, i'd feel pathetic knowing I wasn't challenging myself and especially my players to our fullest potential. Some people like it the easy way, though. Very sad. Very sad.

Not that I don't totally disagree with your statement because I think it's quite unfair myself but, I must remind you that Chapin has more money behind every player than any other public school in the state. Nobody operates on an equal level in HS athletics. You either do less with more, more with less or par for the course. BE/CC making the State Championship is about par for the course. BE losing a State Championship to an overhead kick in Sudden-Death? Call it what you want, less with more, underachieving, etc. I call it awesome. I agree with you though. The SCISA league would become extremely interesting to follow with all private schools lumped into it. This year it was kind of a 1.5 horse race. Yeah, PP was in the thick of it but most people agreed CN was the class of SCISA without equal. The last 7 years it was the opposite in PP's favor. It would be a great league with CC/BE/St.J/SSC in it; at least for soccer.

Where have you been shut up? It's been a long time! Did you get tired of us stupid people?