I doubt it will ever happen, but wouldn't this help the quality of coaching in some schools that are fighting just to find one knowledgeable coach? Of course, this also brings up the usage of the football field for those without a soccer specific stadium. Nice thought, anyway.
It would help in that regard...much like high school tennis seasons with girls in the fall and boys in the spring. It would also create a conflict with fall club season, though...I think a lot of highly-ranked schools would hate to have players needing to choose between playing high school or club ball.
On the other hand, might even things up a bit for folks like me...
Wouldn't the logical choice be to do it the other way around? Move boys to the fall?
Uh oh!
Football conflict!
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It would help in that regard...much like high school tennis seasons with girls in the fall and boys in the spring. It would also create a conflict with fall club season, though...I think a lot of highly-ranked schools would hate to have players needing to choose between playing high school or club ball.
SCYSA would love for High School soccer to move to the fall. That way they could move the club season to the spring and have the State Cup just before regionals instead of being the only state in the Region 3 (along with girls in NC) that has state cup six months before regionals.
Works for me...just get rid of that silly oblong ball, and all problems are solved!
Don't take away my supplement!
Sorry, wasn't thinking...we'll just move football to the spring so that we can move high school soccer to the fall so that we can move club soccer which doesn't share high school fields to the spring concurrent with football so that we can have region play right after state cup so that everyone is on the same page and happy and isn't sharing players and gets a supplement and has equal footing in region play and doesn't have to share players or fields or make choices or hire more coaches...
That about cover it? Simple.
Seems fairly straightforward! Now, since you have the "in" with the football folks, I'll let you handle switching football to the spring semester...as soon as you get that taken care of, let me know and I'll handle the rest!
My niece played high school soccer in West Virginia and they played in the fall. They played on the football fields with yellow lines for soccer and white gridiron markings.
Also, don't the NC boys play high school soccer in the fall? How do they work it out?
It can't be very easy with the schedule. You have to watch your Friday matches unless the team is away, Thursday matches for JV, and heaven forbid they have a "B" team. Oh wait, and then there is the middle school team that might use the field. Oh, wait again, and if they're like South Aiken and Aiken then pee wee football takes the other nights. Blast!!!
You just need your own version of the Viking Cup to pay for separate soccer-only fields.
Speaking of, I just don't how Steve manages all of that. I have a hard enough time just trying to find out what field we're on and who we're playing. That tourney is the 8th wonder of the world.
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It would help in that regard...much like high school tennis seasons with girls in the fall and boys in the spring. It would also create a conflict with fall club season, though...I think a lot of highly-ranked schools would hate to have players needing to choose between playing high school or club ball.
SCYSA would love for High School soccer to move to the fall. That way they could move the club season to the spring and have the State Cup just before regionals instead of being the only state in the Region 3 (along with girls in NC) that has state cup six months before regionals.
Bingo! I don't think this is a joke idea that can't sprout legs. I really think we could get girls moved to the fall because it saves schools money and club for girls could move to spring.
I realize that football coaches would never allow boys to play in the fall, but most of these guys are also ADs and I am sure they would be in favor of moving a girl's sport to the fall.
Good Luck!! I would love to see it happen..I will go one step further..I would like to see clubs that are just for girls..There are a few clubs that are down the middle when it comes to both sexes but most are boy oriented..
North Carolina and Georgia girls both play HS in the spring and club in the fall. For the sake of attending club tournaments and getting high school matches with these bordering states, I say we keep our girls right where they are.
Spoken like a person who fears having to play club ball in South Carolina. God forbid our girls (like the boys) having to play is SC and making SC soccer better.
Y'know, I think the really big obstacle to switching high school season to the fall and club season to the spring would be that for it to work, it would require SCYSA and SCHSL to work together, come to a common agreement, and make the same change at the same time.
Odds of that happening seamlessly?
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Good Luck!! I would love to see it happen..I will go one step further..I would like to see clubs that are just for girls..There are a few clubs that are down the middle when it comes to both sexes but most are boy oriented..
CUSC has become pretty girls-oriented...boys' teams ended at U14, and only the girls' side entered teams at U17 and U18.
Carolina Girls..remember that name..They had a region team that was pretty successful
cid,
Be seroius. If you are playing opposite seasons from Georgia and North Carolina, forget about attending club tournaments in Atlanta, Savannah, Charlotte, Winston-Salem, Greensboro and Raleigh. Where are the girls teams that are looking for some competition going to go?
Of coarse, I was speaking with some sarcasm, BUT...
The boys side seems to do pretty well finding tournament and competition playing the opposite season as NC (15 - 18). It just seems to me if we are trying to promote soccer in SC it makes sense to make decision based on what is going to keep the best player in SC not Charlotte, Savannah or Augusta. If all the best players stayed more SC teams would do well in Region 3 Premier, which would be the best competition you can get, correct???
the time of year that girls play soccer has nothing to do with why a kid goes to charlotte or other states to play.i think it has more to do with opportunity. you have cesa with many of the region spots and and then columbia and the other lower state clubs. not all kids want to drive 1 hr or more to practice when they can get it 15 mins from home.
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the time of year that girls play soccer has nothing to do with why a kid goes to charlotte or other states to play.
It would probably have something to do with it if the other states played their club season at the same time we have the high school season. There would be a big conflict between high school games and weeknight club training. Therefore, there would probably be fewer SC players playing in the other states. I think that is what cid was referring to.
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the time of year that girls play soccer has nothing to do with why a kid goes to charlotte or other states to play.
It would probably have something to do with it if the other states played their club season at the same time we have the high school season. There would be a big conflict between high school games and weeknight club training. Therefore, there would probably be fewer SC players playing in the other states. I think that is what cid was referring to.
reading cids post i thought he was talking about girls soccer. as far as i know nc,ga and every other southern state plays girls club soccer in the fall.i dont see other states changing their girls program.
for sc if it was a question of a large number of kids i could understand. i do understand cids point but it is not like sc players are running across the state line.
I was referring to the Charlotte area, where (and I could be wrong) but don't the majority of the best players from that region (FM/clover) jump the boarder? I am just curious as to how those girls would do if they came back to SC and played together.
Border jumping, that is another great topic. Didn't happen in Anderson with CESA taking care of us, but is prevalent her in our region with Augusta serving as a nice hotbed.
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I was referring to the Charlotte area, where (and I could be wrong) but don't the majority of the best players from that region (FM/clover) jump the boarder? I am just curious as to how those girls would do if they came back to SC and played together.
cid,
i do not think there is enough at each age to play together unless some played out of their age.york county is not a hot bed for soccer compared to other areas so it is not like a biblical exodus happening here.
Disagree with you HH.
If you took the girls from CUFC Gold/Green ....CESA Premier...and CSC Blue, and hey I'm probably forgetting someone at SCSA Gold.....and added them to CUFC Emerald it would be a pretty good team.
I don't think thats necessarily in most of the girls best interests.....as there are differing expectations with these kids. But the talent pool is there to have a pretty darned good team.
And I think the same is true at most other ages as well. There may be structural issues why this doesn't happen. Or pride issues. Or crazed parents. But I don't see a lack of talent being the limiting factor.
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Disagree with you HH.
If you took the girls from CUFC Gold/Green ....CESA Premier...and CSC Blue, and hey I'm probably forgetting someone at SCSA Gold.....and added them to CUFC Emerald it would be a pretty good team.
I don't think thats necessarily in most of the girls best interests.....as there are differing expectations with these kids. But the talent pool is there to have a pretty darned good team.
And I think the same is true at most other ages as well. There may be structural issues why this doesn't happen. Or pride issues. Or crazed parents. But I don't see a lack of talent being the limiting factor.
big daddy if you look a little closer i never said there was a lack of talent there.just that it is not like it is sounding and you have 100 great players crossing the boarder.cid was talking about high school girls moving to fall play would force those girls to come back.even though he is right,im sure many of those playing somewhere else are doing so because nothing better is offered in york county no matter when high school is played.the best solution would be to have 1 good club in york county where they could use manchester without having to sneak onto the fields in the middle of the night.
"not having to sneak onto the fields in the middle of the night" That is hillarious!!!! Heck, you can't play on the grass field during the day, so what's the difference.
My point is that, just like on the boys side, if we had girls soccer in the fall they would have to choose to play in NC or high school ball OR high school ball and SC club. I think it would be interesting to see all of them play on the same team together in SC. As far as expectations, you put that group of juniors from FM and Clover together with Ms. Ramsey from Rock Hill and I think the expectations would be to with Region 3 Premeir League because that is where they would end up playing.
"cid,
i do not think there is enough at each age to play together unless some played out of their age.york county is not a hot bed for soccer compared to other areas so it is not like a biblical exodus happening here."
While I understand what you mean......this isn't what you said.
I agree that we can't match the COLA area or GSP area or Charleston area for breadth and depth of talent pool. But in most age groups we can at least compete.
I think it makes more sense to move boys to Fall high school/spring club. First it would align us with other states including NC. Second, moving girls would create misalignment with other states, including NC. Third, honestly.....I think there will be more competition with Fall school sports for girls, then boys.
I would guess that other than the obligatory kicker.....most boys who play soccer don't play fooball. Girl soccer players.....also play volleyball and run cross country. A high school AD looking at possible disruption to other sports would probably find it easier to move the boys, than the girls.
I think it makes more sense to move boys to Fall high school/spring club. First it would align us with other states including NC.
How about our existing relations with other states playing spring soccer -- AL, GA, TN, VA?
It would make more sense to move the girls IMO.
What existing relations? I could see an Aiken team playing a Georgia team.....just as teams up here play Charlotte area high schools on the girls end.
I live up here so NC matters more to me....though I understand how Aiken folk would have a different take.
But who really cares about Alabama, TN, or Virginia for crying out loud? Why would do or not do anything....on account of Alabama?
And if you move the girls......who will you be in alignment with?
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"cid,
i do not think there is enough at each age to play together unless some played out of their age.york county is not a hot bed for soccer compared to other areas so it is not like a biblical exodus happening here."
While I understand what you mean......this isn't what you said.
I agree that we can't match the COLA area or GSP area or Charleston area for breadth and depth of talent pool. But in most age groups we can at least compete.
it is what i said!!!maybe you were just assuming something else.
what i did mean was...there is not enough girls or boys that has crossed the boarder at each age to make full teams no matter of the talent level.
and what i meant by hot bed of soccer if people are confused is..soccer is not the number one sport in the county.it is still football,basketball,baseball.
You obviously live in Rock Hill.
Don't you know that the priorities are band, marching band, and concert band?
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"cid,
i do not think there is enough at each age to play together unless some played out of their age.york county is not a hot bed for soccer compared to other areas so it is not like a biblical exodus happening here."
While I understand what you mean......this isn't what you said.
I agree that we can't match the COLA area or GSP area or Charleston area for breadth and depth of talent pool. But in most age groups we can at least compete.
it is what i said!!!maybe you were just assuming something else.
what i did mean was...there is not enough girls or boys that has crossed the boarder at each age to make full teams no matter of the talent level.
Ok, what you are saying.......is that the kids that are playing in NC, in and of themselves aren't enough to form a team. In most cases you are correct. But there are a ton of SC kids playing at Steele Creek and also at CUFC Palisades. Not to mention the stragglers at South Charlotte or CSC.
I did the math and there are at least 50 girls from York County, between U-15 - U-17 (91's, 92's & 93's), that are playing club soccer in Charlotte.
There are at least 16 players at each age (moving up two "young" high school freshmen from the 94's to the 93's).
If you add the one girl from Rock Hill who is playing on the CESA Premier 91's into this mix, you would have three R3PL players on the 91's. I think this team would definitely make the State Cup semi-finals and challenge for the state championship.
The York County 92's, in my opinion, are SCYSA state cup semi-finalists despite not having any current R3PL players on the roster.
The York County 93's would face a very tough obstacle in CESA Premier 93's, but if the draw is favorable they definitely make the state semi-finals and could reach the championship game. The goalkeeper and four defenders in this age group are impressive.
As mentioned by all above, this would be great to have another competitive girls club in South Carolina. Will it happen? I wouldn't bet on it.
The more significant issue to me is the exposure of our players, boys and girls, to college coaches. It's easier for them to recruit in the Spring, and it's easier for them to recruit at club tournaments rather than going to individual high school games. Our good players would get more and better exposure if high school soccer was in the Fall.
Of course, with the ADs mostly football coaches, what chance?
Welcome to the soccer boards Paul! The only advice I have for you is to completely ignore posters with man-crushes on the children of NASCAR legends.
For those that don't know, Paul is the new girls coach at Daniel.
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The more significant issue to me is the exposure of our players, boys and girls, to college coaches. It's easier for them to recruit in the Spring, and it's easier for them to recruit at club tournaments rather than going to individual high school games. Our good players would get more and better exposure if high school soccer was in the Fall.
Of course, with the ADs mostly football coaches, what chance?
most of the good players are playing on club teams and getting exsposure at the club tournaments the coaches are going to.it would put high school soccer at a time of year when the college coaches are more active but it would also put club soccer in the time of year when they are not.im not sure how many or how much coaches recruite at high school games but im confident that the majority of college coaches recruit at club soccer events more so. i think if football and soccer was in the same season the soccer teams would end up practicing in the sand lot.
Thanks for the welcome. I enjoy reading occasionally. And it's nice to know there's such an interest in the girls here in SC.