With Region play set to be concluded by tonight, the following should be an almost accurate forecast of 1st Round Match-Ups in the AAAA Upper State Playoffs
1st Round
TL Hanna - Region 1 - #1
Hillcrest - Region 2 - #4
Fort Mill - Region 3 - #2
Ridgeview - Region 4 - #3
Mauldin - Region 2 - #1
Westside/Easley - Reg. 1 - #4
Blythewood - Region 4 - #2
Nation Ford - Region 3 - #3
Clover - Region 3 - #1
Rock Hill - Region 4 - #4
Wren - Region 1 - #2
Spartanburg - Region 2 - #3
Spring Valley - Region 4 - #1
Northwestern - Region 3 - #4
Dorman - Region 2 - #2
Greenwood - Region 1 - #3
Some seeds are in question, and I seeded according to the following:
For Fort Mill and Clover. Both teams split the regular
season series and scored 2 goals against each other. Clover
only allowed 2 region goals, whereas Fort Mill allowed 4.
On goals against in the region, Clover would get the #1 seed.
For Nation Ford and Northwestern. Nation Ford won 2-1 on 4/27, and Northwestern won 2-1 in PKs. The PK game counts
as a 1-1 game in the head to head goals against calculation,
meaning Nation Ford would earn the #3 seed via the first
tie break, head to head goals against.
Rock Hill owns the head to head goals against advantage
vs Lancaster and should earn the #4 seed for Region 4.
Mauldin owns the head to head goals against advantage 4-2
over Dorman and should earn the #1 seed for Region 2.
For Region I. Greenwood is 4-5 with a game remaining against Wren. They own the head to head goals against
average vs Easley at 5-3, and are tied with Westside at
4-4. Easley and Westside play tonight. Should Easley
win, or lose by 1, they will earn the head to head
goals against or outright 4th seed over Westside. Should
Westside win by 2, they would tie in head to head goals
against vs Easley and Greenwood, and based on the 2nd
region tie-break, goals against in the region, Westside
would earn the #4 seed and Greenwood the #3. Unless
the 2nd tie-break is goals for in the region, in which
case Westside would earn the #3 seed and Greenwood the #4.
Coaches from Regions 2,3, and 4, please correct me as
there is a good chance I am wrong with Region tie-break
information for your regions.
Ryan Roseberry
Westside Girls Soccer
Fort Mill - Region 3 - #2
Ridgeview - Region 4 - #3
To be grammatically correct, it is spelled with two words - Ridge View!
"For Nation Ford and Northwestern. Nation Ford won 2-1 on 4/27, and Northwestern won 2-1 in PKs. The PK game counts
as a 1-1 game in the head to head goals against calculation,
meaning Nation Ford would earn the #3 seed via the first
tie break, head to head goals against."
is this true? and if so is it true for all the regions?
b/c Lexington tied DF tonight and Lexington won the first meeting 1 to but DF won tonights in PKs it was 0 to 0 in regulation....
just wanting some insight on the tie breaker here please
Everybody's region tie breaker is different. Consult your local AD.
oh ok thanks for the help Hurst
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......and to be technically correct, we are not quite clear up here on the tie breaker yet. CJ, be careful what you wish for!
Both Clover and Fort Mill scare me, so bring on either one...but the offer stands if it is FM
Tie breaker that uses goals against in region play seems pluasible but I would rather see a point system using goal diff upto three pts a game come before that.
Problem for me with GA is that a team can win almost every game 6-1 (giving up 1 because they get the bench players in every game for playing time) and split with thier rival who wins almost every game 1-0 (rarely getting in the bench players becasue they have to go starters all game to win). The team barely wining them get 1st place while the other team gets 2nd. Which team really will represent the region best?
Agree w/Chief in that situations like those penalize the more dominant team to a certain extent BUT... a shutout IS a shutout. The team winning 6-1 should have put the clampdown on those teams and shut them down. That being said if your referring to Clover/Fort Mill I really didn't see any 1-0 wins for them in region and Fort Mill DID give up more goals then Clover (to York no less and they really only have Devin Puckett as a credible scoring threat) AND Clover has only 3 or 4 subs (all freshman I believe) whereas Fort Mill is LOADED with upperclassmen (20 something I believe) so the sub issue is moot. Sounds to me like sour grapes that the almighty Fort Mill didn't get it done and that the blame lies elsewhere other then where it should be, with the team/staff. I'm sure they'll be okay next year as I believe they will have 11(?) seniors and if I'm not mistaken going 3A. Clover will have only 2(!) seniors and will still be 4A. That way if Fort Mill loses to Clover again next year at least it won't count.
Interested to see how they seed Spring Valley and Blythewood both should be tied for region champions at the end of the week, Not sure what the tiebreaker will be in the region.
You agree then disagree? Ok give the shutout point too but a 4-1 win should be worth than a 1-0 win. Just counted the region goals for these team and they both won the same number of game by 3 or more and obviously Clover notched more shutouts. No sour grapes on my part, just wanted to point out that GA is a stat that would encourage more blowouts as teams just keep scoring to prevent the weaker team from getting a lucky goal. In fact one of the goals given up to York was a no pressure passback own goal (though some at game thought keep got to it in time).
Dont be a FM hater, FM got what they earned and they dropped the game and no one here is whining or making excuses for them, I know I am not, your the one who agreed with me.
As for next year, well this year is not over and I think anyone facing either team in playoffs will get a battle, but I would guess TL Hanna would rather face Clover again rather than FM, as TLH won last two times while Spartanburg would rather face Clover then take on FM and exit the playoffs via the FM offramp for the third time in four years.
Best of all would be the Clover/FM rematch in the upstate final this year!
The problem with having a Goals Against tie breaker is that is forces a coach to decide whether or not to play players who dont get much playing time. It kills player development. If I am coaching a game and we are up by four or more goals then I want to let the kids that work hard at practice everyday and dont get much playing time a chance to play.
I think the best scoring format would be points based such as
1: Win: 3 pts. w/1 pt per goal max 3 (promotes subbing)
2: Shutout 2 pts. w/max pts. of 3 goals (again for subs)
3: Tie at end of reg 1 pt. each w/OT goal pt(s) for goals scored in OT. In PK situations pt(s) for each goal max 3
4: Tiebreakers: Goal differential on region opponents, if still tied, Head to Head goal differential, if still tied number of shutouts in region and finally if still tied goals allowed.
In your scenario the 4-1 win would net 6 pts. while the 1-0 nets 5.
Regarding TL.H, maybe they would prefer Clover however I believe they played in a tournament already that went to PKs (where TL.H won) without A. Pantousco or her sister playing. Might have been a game changer (or may not).
Not hating on FM. I have respect for the program (as with ANY program that teaches the "right" way to play). It is a shame that the rivalry between the two teams will not be the same next year and yeah it would be a great final. A nice sendoff.
Thanks coach thats my point. I would rather more kids play and give up a goal or two than force team to "crush" everyone. I think a team can be prouder of a 5-2 win where everyone played than a 5-0 where only the starters and a few select subs got on the field.
Coach-but then again sometimes you put your subs in and they still get a shutout, so really it is a moot point. I have seen that many times when it is 2-0 or 4,5-0 when subs are in and they still get the shutout.
Sounds like basis for a good system. My only concern would be #4 as that is the one that could result in running up some scores especially late in season when team realizes they need to kill some teams to lock up position (as I would assume the close power house teams will be getting the 3 pts most the time anyway) I would rather see a third game to decide if Head to Head was split, of course with the pt system chances might be less of getting to a #4 beyond head to head.
I would give shutout pts at only 1. That would score the 4-1 would be 6pts (3 win 3 GD) and the 1-0 would be 5 (3 win 1 goal 1 shutout) actually makes a 2-0 shutout equal to 4-1 win) max pts from a game (3-0) is 3 win 3 GD 1 shutout =7. Which is only one pt better than 10-1 win kind of make the shut out worth a little and the pain of losing the shut out late in game due to freely subing much less.
Yes TLH has had the luck in PK's the last two times so they may also want to avoid going for "third times the charm!". I have seen Alyssia play and yes she can be a game changer. Getting Clover instead of FM is not a winning situation for anyone just a different one. No free pass either way!
Where would I find up to date region standings?
look on the score board and click on the regions link from the teams in question.
