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The Chief #130714 03/12/10 03:47 PM
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i wish my "less rain" prayers were being anwered

sandman #130715 03/12/10 03:56 PM
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I'm all for setting the tone with some positive remarks and encouragement. But, I have seen it become uncomfortable, and what I would consider inappropriate. It is not like the player has the option to leave the huddle or locker room when the coach starts to include his/her personal religious views in the pre-game talk.

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i just tell them to pass to the italian kid, saves time.

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I definitely want to have the option for a word of prayer before we play Wando this year.


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pray their bus breaks down

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I am as competitive as the next guy. Those who know me understand that all too well. However, when I pray before the game, I pray for wisdom, for God to keep the game in perspective for me and to the big picture of life, and for all of the young ladies to stay healthy. Regardless of what religion you are, there are some great history lessons of perseverance and courage in the Bible I use for inspiration. Check out the story of Johnathan in 1 Samuel chapter 14. I used this story when I coached our boys team two years ago when they were winless (0-17) for the season and their coach quit with one game remaining. They played an unbelievable game that went to overtime against a very good team. They did not win, but I believe most of them remember that story I gave at halftime. That was an AWESOME experience-man those young men played that night! I felt like I got to coach a team of "Jonathan's!" Anyone else have some stories to inspire? Start a new thread... hint, hint.

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I was trying to stay out of this because my main point was to make sure people realised that there are players of other denominations/religions/atheists/deists/etc. on teams, but some people have taken my comments out of context and I feel the need to clarify.

CHT is correct in saying that my problem is not with the prayer itself. If the players decide that they want to pray to God, Jesus, Yaweh, Mohammed, Krishna, the Mayan soccer gods, or to channel the spirits of Pele and Mia Hamm, I fully support them in (almost) whatever manner they choose--I figure a sacrificial goat at midfield might be crossing a line and messy to boot! My issue is with a coach arbitrarily deciding to lead a team in a specific religion's prayer and, in one case, put players on the spot by asking them to lead the prayer without them necessarily volunteering to do so. Almost no 16 year old is going to be willing to outright say, in front of a religious coach and teammates of varying religious intensities, that they refuse to lead the prayer or participate if only through sheer respect and/or fear of authority.

I have no quarrel with a majority that says they want some help with a prayer. My quarrel is with an environment that doesn't seek to make sure other people know that they're not expected to participate if they do not wish to do so such that they feel compelled to "fake it" to avoid trouble. Or even invite the girls to volunteer for a chance to say whatever they wish to say before a game. Differing views get respected and everyone has a chance to learn about another viewpoint. My team wasn't particularly diverse, but it would have been fascinating to see the religious and cultural differences in pre-game "rituals" if it had been. Then, no one feels left out and you learn tolerance and respect for everyone's particular faith.


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Well put and it is the responsibility of the leaders; coach, administrators to ensure everyone feels no pressure.

As for the goat thing I have seen some crowds where I thought thats what they did before the visitors got there!

The Chief #130722 03/13/10 04:42 AM
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Great discussion!

Chief, I had a ref the other night I wanted to treat like said goat!

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Quote:

If my girls want to pray before the game then we do. If a majority do not, then I guess we would not. Anyone who has a different routine or opinion, hey, that’s fine too!

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just trying to follow along... If while the majority of the team is gathered in a pre-game prayer a couple of players continue a pre-game routine of practicing shots on goal, that activity would fall under "hey, that's fine too!"?

What I'm trying to understand is by "Anyone" are you referring to participants in this thread or players not in the majority at the time of the team prayer.

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