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Refs do get assessed. Many HS refs are club (USSF) refs. Coaches should not assess refs (at least not solely) becasue they are usually not trained to do so and look for different things then a trained assessor. Example: the winning coach of a club match complimented me (imagine that!) after a game. Said he appreciated me giving some signals (ie pointing at my hand or making a tripping motion) I was assessed and got good score but was severely dinged for doing that. Assessor said I should never justify a call and doing so in a high level match undermines the refs authority. HS previously had signals but they were eliminated this yr so you should only tell the coach "foul" when he asks what the call was.

the good refs aren’t the problem…..its the bad ones! The bad ones need to be identified and given further training and development (mentored by a good ref) to become “good refs” or removed from the ref pool.
The parents/fans aren’t helping matters but the focus needs to be on improving bad ones.

To answer the original question, yes.

But the problem is that is the way they are taught to handle situations on the field. The level of officiating in this state is way below the standared it needs to be. In many many cases it is shocking at how some games are officiated. I could give 20 - 30 examples of what refs have said to me and how situation were handled that would amaze people.

But it stems from the whole way officials (1) get their certification and then are (2) taught and (3) assessed there after. For the more competative leagues the officials should go through a much more intensive training schedule. You have ref's that are book savvy and other that are game savvy. Book savvy ref's are usually worse refs.

A player and coach have the right to question a ref's call as long as it is done in the right manner. If a coach is biased and complains the whole game he is just as bad as a bad ref. Ther are just as many coaches out there that are completely unprofessional as well.

In business you learn to deal with personalities. I will treat one employye or customer one way and another in a slightly different manner based on how they handle things. Thats how refs should do it. You can not treat everyone the same. If I (as a coach) approach a ref in a professional manner I would expect them to reply in the same professional manner. But what I see from the sidelines is a dictatorship on the field not allowing any communication with coaches.

Another thing is that many ref's give out way to may yellow cards. Refs need to learn to communicate with players on the field instead of giving cards. These refs that do this are usually book savvy refs. The book says do this and they do it. Calling a player over and giving him a good telling off will have a much better impact than flashing yellow cards the whole games.

There are some good refs out there. The center ref at the Eastside vs Greenville game @ serrine stadium last week did a great job. He is young and knows the game and actually encouraged communication with coaches!!!! 1st time in years I had heard a ref say that.

After saying all this my point is that I feel that until the whole way refs are certified and trained is changed we are going to coninually have to put up with below par officiating.

Well Said!

Does the captain have the right to be present when a ref is talking with an opposing player? Not interfering but listening? Just want to know how the players are to approach a referee in these situations?

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Really??? NFHS Soccer Hand Signals

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Exactly!! Look at the approved signals in your link. Only for direct, indirect, etc. No approved signal for type of foul (ie tripping, striking, etc)

Coach Chass: I agree with you, but FIFA and USSF do not. This is not just a lone assessor, it is their policy. You will never see a ref in EPL or MSL indicate what the foul was (remember the USA in the World Cup?). At lower levels I think indications are helpful for just the reasons you indicated. However the actual point of my post is that there is a discrepency between what refs are trained to do and how refs are assessed and the criteria coaches use to evaluate them. The signals were just one example, there are others.