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our soccer superstars grandparents are laughing at us.
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Nothing is wrong based on high school playoff results. Congrats to am, hh, and wando. The question should be can cesa screw up the older girls in the upstate anymore than they already have?
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Nothing is wrong based on high school playoff results. Congrats to am, hh, and wando. The question should be can cesa screw up the older girls in the upstate anymore than they already have?
Don't forget the club success of SCUMP 96, SCUMP 97 and SCUMP 98 elite this year.
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Remember all the posts on all the threads? Club and high school are two completely different entities. Wando's female success has no bearing on the cluster Lowcountry club soccer has been for years. If it was so good, then the Lowcountry would have club success on state and regional level, have an ECNL club maybe and/or have individual players developing to high level college soccer. They have none of the above. Remember, club and high school are completely different.
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Y'know, it's funny...the assertion from the club side is that the success or failure of high school teams is directly related to club training or lack thereof--to the point that no high school team can be successful without the question, "where do their players play club ball?"--unless they are dissatisfied with the clubs, in which case they are two entirely different and independent issues.
Sometimes, in the case of high schools, it may be that a PARTIAL factor is the CONCENTRATION of upper-tier club players that are members of a single high school's team, as opposed to when a club team's members, in the spring season, are more scattered throughout multiple high school teams. Just a thought.
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If you'd like a quick and dirty attempt to understand how to measure high school success factors, I'd humbly suggest attempting to (1) take into account the size of the high school and (2) take into account the demographics of the area the high school serves (poverty index, etc.)
My guess - and it's only a guess - is that these are more important factors than any others by a wide margin. Of course, you'll find correlations with respect to these factors on things like clubs - because clubs spring up most often when there is population density and affluence.
I'd argue that school size, affluence, and the quality of coaching are your primary factors. But I'd be arguing from a position of ignorance - because I haven't run any numbers and it's just my opinion...
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Remember all the posts on all the threads? Club and high school are two completely different entities. Wando's female success has no bearing on the cluster Lowcountry club soccer has been for years. If it was so good, then the Lowcountry would have club success on state and regional level, have an ECNL club maybe and/or have individual players developing to high level college soccer. They have none of the above. Remember, club and high school are completely different.
A high school soccer teams success is 100% based on the amount of club/premier players you have on your team. The chances of having a high school team with no club players being succesful is non existant. (If so give me some examples.) Therefore with the sweep of the lowcountry high school teams (3-0)I don't think there is any problems with the clubs in the lowcountry. Therefore no reason to do the 7 hour commute to greenville for youth soccer training. The lowcountry clubs are doing just fine.
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>>Therefore no reason to do the 7 hour commute to greenville for youth soccer training. The lowcountry clubs are doing just fine.<<
The premise that this rests upon is that a parent of a child who has very high ambitions is focused on the success of a high school team. If we attribute a more selfish motive for that parent - that the parents want to help their child achieve personal success - then it might be more telling to look at individual measures of success versus team measures.
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Lowcountry clubs are doing fine at producing enough players to be proficient at performing at the same school at the high school level.
But, the same Lowcountry clubs are not close to producing enough players to be proficient at performing at the same club at the youth soccer level. As evidenced by the lack of, to name a few, 1) success on club's state, regional and national level 2) having an ECNL level club and/or most importantly 3) producing individual, female players to go on and play high level college soccer.
Two completely different entities. Good high school soccer v good club soccer. Despite some commonality of players, they don't correlate to justify a statement "Lowcountry high schools win HS titles so Lowcountry club soccer is fine." Not realistic. Something is still lacking for better youth soccer.
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Remember all the posts on all the threads? Club and high school are two completely different entities. Wando's female success has no bearing on the cluster Lowcountry club soccer has been for years. If it was so good, then the Lowcountry would have club success on state and regional level, have an ECNL club maybe and/or have individual players developing to high level college soccer. They have none of the above. Remember, club and high school are completely different.
Club has everything to do with high school. Look at the better high school programs, both boys and girls. They are loaded with Club players. Now regarding the Lowcountry Clubs, keep your players at home, playing for the local Clubs, then your Clubs will have better results. Maybe a shift is beginning to occur as Mid-state and Lowcountry Clubs seem to be winning a bit more.
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