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#163977 05/15/13 12:02 AM
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As bad as I have complained about the refs in years past, I cannot remember them being as bad as those in this years playoffs, girls &guys.
Do referees under schsl have to be FIFA certifiedd, or just schsl.?

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Nope. Different set of rules. Only have to be high school certified. 50 question multiple choice question test

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the test is 100 questions and it's not just taking a test. Alot of the Directors do training and have 4-5 meetings to go over rules.

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Nope. Different set of rules.




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Alot of the Directors do training and have 4-5 meetings to go over rules.




The Directors may do training, but this year the quality of officiating has been ridiculous. Got to watch one of the Lower State Championship games and one of the opposing players slid from behind taking out a player 4 times. His punishment only came on the 4th slide and it was a verbal warning. Later in the game, defender and forward are battling for the ball and the keeper slides and gets the ball. His momentum carries him outside of the box which of course is an automatic free-kick and a yellow card. The Ref went straight red and said he took away a goal scoring opportunity. 2 v 1, the keeper does his job and that qualifies for a straight red card. I call BS on that one.

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They need to treat them like football refs...grade them, publish it, and the classes on the rules that you have to take are pretty intense and lengthy. You are also assigned a mentor and taught mechanics

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Here is how we are ranked in Illinois.....
1) License Level
2) Score on Part 1 Exam
3) Previous tournament experience
4) Contest ratings percentile
5) Top 15 list percentile
6) Highest clinic in last 3 years
7) Most recent clinic
8) Varsity games worked

Here is how those are broken down:

Power Rating: 40 points possible, 8 categories
a. Promotional level: X - R - C, C - 5 pts., R - 3 pts., X - 1 pts.
b. Part 1 exam score: 96 - 5 pts., 92 - 4 pts., 88 - 3 pts., 84 - 2 pts, 80 - 1 pts.
c. Previous tournament experience: SF - 5 pt., Super or Semi - 4 pts., Sec/Quart 3-pts., FB second round - 2 pt., Regional - 1 pt.
d. All rating (use percentile based on average rating divided by # of ratings)
90% - 5 pts. 80% - 4 pts. 70% - 3 pts. 60% - 2 pts. 50 % - 1 pt.
e. Number of High School varsity games worked
70% - 5 pts., 60% - 4 pts., 50% - 3 pts., 40% - 2 pts., 30% - 1 pt.
(based on number of games allowed by the IHSA by-laws in regular
season for each sport by the IHSA by-laws)
f. Top 15 List from Associations, Assignors, Certified Officials and Schools
(based on percentile of average rating divide by the number of rating)
90% - 5 pts., 80% - 4 pts., 70% - 3 pts. 60% - 2 pts., 50% - 1 pt.
g. Level 2 clinic - 5 pts., Level 1 clinic - 3 pts. (within the last three years),
Level 0 clinic - 0 pts.
h. Clinic frequency: First year 5 pts; Second year 3 pts.; Third year 1 pt

For the contest rating percentile, we are ranked on:

State Final Official – Must be good enough to be assigned to the State Final
Tournament. Must be in the top 10% of all officials in the following categories: rule knowledge,
physical appearance, mechanics and signals, positioning, game management,
attitude/professionalism, consistency, judgment and reaction to pressure. (#1 Rating)

Sectional Level Official – Must be good enough to be assigned to a Sectional tournament. Must be
in the top 25% of all officials in the following categories: rule knowledge, physical appearance,
mechanics and signals, positioning, game management, attitude/professionalism, consistency,
judgment and reaction to pressure. (#2 Rating

Regional Level Official – Must be good enough to be assigned to a Regional tournament. Must be in
the top 50% of all officials in the following categories: rule knowledge, physical appearance,
mechanics and signals, positioning, game management, attitude/professionalism, consistency,
judgment and reaction to pressure. (#3 Rating)

Varsity Level Official – This official is good enough to be assigned to varsity contests but needs
more game experience to become a Regional level official. (#4 Rating)

Lower Level Contest Only – This official should be assigned to lower level contests to gain more
game experience to become a Varsity level official. (#5 Rating)

Average Rating. Each official that officiates a varsity contest should be rated by both schools.
All the ratings are added together and divided by the number of ratings for the final rating. The
IHSA administrator in charge of officials determines if a 5 rating stays as part of an official's
rating.

The percentile ranking of your rating is the most important component of the rating process. The
percentile ranking informs the official as to what percentile their rating falls according to all
the other officials in that sport. If you have a 90% ranking this means that only 10% of the
officials in that sport have a better average rating than you.

The percentile ranking is found by dividing the average rating by the number of ratings and then
ranking that decimal according to all other officials in that sport.

Each school is responsible to meet a minimum number of ratings in each sport. The IHSA can now track the number of ratings entered by each school. A letter is sent to each principal listing the deficiencies in rating if the proper number is not met by each school.

How the Ratings Percentile is Determined: All ratings in a particular sport that are received during the current school term, plus the two previous school terms, are averaged and then divided by the number of ratings. The result is that an official who works often (and is rated often) will generally receive a better ranking than an official who obtains a high average on just a handful of ratings. These numbers are sorted from top to bottom and divided into 100 groups of equal size. The officials in the highest group are assigned to the 99th percentile, the next group to the 98th, and so on down to 0.


For the top 15 lists:

How the Top 15 Percentile is Determined: All Top 15 Lists in a particular sport that have been updated during the last two years (730 days) are used. Officials receive points based on their position in the lists: 15 points for each 1st-place mention, 14 points for each 2nd-place mention, and so on down to 1 point for each 15th-place mention. The total points are sorted from top to bottom and divided into 100 groups of equal size. The officials in the highest group are assigned to the 99th percentile, the next group to the 98th, and so on down to 0.

SC should go to a system like this!


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Well we have a better system in South Carolina that all that math in Ill.

The local assignor selects whoever he wants.

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I am a referee and I find it appalling the lack of training in certain districts. We have one director whose training meeting consists of a five minute session to answer "questions" that is our training. In USSF there are assessments, training, and mentor opportunities. In HS I can basically pick someone up off the street, give them $35 and they will be there to referee your games.....the system is clearly broke.

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arrgy...from what I hear, that system is broken!


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Take it a step further: For all practical purposes, there is no real system that anyone would care to identify and describe. These things (and assignments) should be TOTALLY transparent and objective, so that when the inevitable problems do occur, there is a clear thread as to education/evaluation/assignment/consequence. The key word here is credibility. Right now, even the referees who do a great job are painted with one brush.

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