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#60778 11/20/05 08:12 PM
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NEWS FLASH

Just learned that CESA Premier 16s won yesterday 3-2. NECSA 16s lost this morning 2-0. CESA has now jumped NECSA in the R3PL standings.

what happens now?

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And they both already played and won their respective 1st rd. games. Blast only won 1-0, CESA had an easier 5-0 win. Have to move on from here, can't replay those games, since both won. CESA would have probably beat CSC Navy easy and NECSA would have beaten Coastal.
But........SCYSA gotta do better from now on.

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It's amazing SCYSA let this happen this year. Hope they learn from their mistakes. Maybe next year all teams (SCSCL and R3PL) should be finished ALL games before the first round is played.

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So does this change anything for the rest of the games or is the seeding set in stone?

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[Preface: I've stayed out of this, but now that the CESA U15B Premier team did an outstanding job of settling all this on the field instead of in a meeting somewhere, I'll throw in my $.02.]

>> [soccersmylife] Maybe next year all teams [SCSCL and R3PL] should be finished ALL games before the first round is played.<<

Think about that for a moment. That means that in a bad hurricane season [which the last I've seen is forecasted for the next decade] we could have the state challenge cup theoretically go into January or even February. So no child, parent, high school coach, etc. could plan anything for any weekend for two months in the case that state challenge games will be played.

There is a more reasonable solution that has worked well in the past...see below.

>> [Cornerflag] So does this change anything for the rest of the games or is the seeding set in stone?<<

My understanding is "set in stone." From what I understand, CESA coaches knew that this could [and probably would] occur in U16B, but historically what has occurred was that SCYSA took the RIIIPL seedings "snapshot" at a time of their own choosing and then applied the rules. I believe that CESA took that as precedent. Makes sense; none of this is new -- in my understanding it's occurred in the past.

Of course, with the lawyers and appeals that occurred in the U15B this season, and the SCYSA wavering back and forth on seeding, the SCYSA will have to in the future define this better rather than rely on the understanding of all of the clubs -- because we saw in the last few weeks that relying on anything other than a very well-defined policy isn't going to work well in the future.

I personally (let me again emphasize personally) think that the SCYSA just needs to do a better job of writing their policy and then have the backbone to stick to it...but that's just me.

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SCYSA and backbone may not said in the same sentence. I am with you, if they write in then everyone will have agreed by default when competition starts.

To me it is simple. The higher seeded team in R3PL takes #1, in the case where all games in R3PL have not been played, then the higher seed in R3PL at the time when the Challenge league season ends (including any make up dates)is the #1 seed.

If the teams did not play equal opponents then tough it happens...

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By the way this was the case with the U16s

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I don't necessarily agree with that. You have to seed the teams at a certain time and go with that seeding. That is what SCYSA did. With the U15's there was an appeal, with the U16's there wasn't. It will be interesting to see if the U16's make an appeal now.

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Cornerflag: I don't know this for a certainty, but I'd be willing to wager on it -- there will be no appeal.

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CF.... that is what I thought I wrote. The time frame is either the end of R3PL play or the end of Challenge league play for seeding

Chico is right...U16 will be no appeal. CESA is actually on the "easier" side...

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