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And, completely selfishly and thus on thin moral ice, I am glad I don't have to buy gas to fund my daughter's club life anymore. . .Jesus, that was expensive when I did it (1999-2007). . .don't want even to think about doing it now!

(Does that help pull this back to a soccer thread?)

cat,

I'm not being sarcastic.....kudos on the discussion.

I'm serious as a heart attack in my recommendation that Kyle add an "Off Topic" (to borrow from NC) forum to the message boards.

These conversations are beneficial, educating and stimulating. My monthly issue of Mental Floss only takes me so far. We all could use more mental gymnastics.

Hurst66:

I didn't doubt you—just talked with a colleague at lunch about this scsoccer.com thread discussion being serious and thoughtful. . .moreso than some of the "academic" discussions I have!

I just happen to write a great deal about these topics—and address them in my courses. I am always struggling with these topics—and appreciate the thread being started with such an excellent and concrete basis (thanks, Shibumi. . .).

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One can be religious and not moral. (Ex., Southern Baptists, as a denomination, was formed as a stance for the institution of slavery.)

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Was Martin Luther moral when he nailed the 95 theses to the church door? Rebellious morality seems to have a place in this world today. I rebel on the grounds my ideal is the moral answer.

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The player was in the offside position and you the moral ref should disallow the goal..

Hurst you beat me to the point... How does religion, morality, Baptist, dualism, socialism, capitalism, communism, Islam have anything to do with Club Soccer & ODP! I am sure the internet world has plenty of space for Non Soccer discussion; we definitely don't need a new one. I am neither a philosopher nor a religious nut. On the other hand I firmly believe BIG clubs are capitalistic in taking over other areas like Summerville and Columbia; I do religiously practice the sport of soccer.

You, dbsandis.....certainly belong in Junior's Garage!

KCC:

ML certainly believed his act to be moral; and many contemporary figures felt morality had to be embodied in an act: MLK Jr., Gandhi. . .

One of my personal guides, Paulo Freire, argued this. (Stinking Marxist, he.)

dbsandis:

The threads arguing about BIG soccer clubs have always been, in essence, a debate about Capitalism and morality.

Take it a step further: IF we impose Capitalism on soccer, then we must give power to the customer ("The customer is always right."). Now, how does coach expertise exist in a market-based dynamic? The paradox. If the soccer customer hires a coach to do the customer's bidding, then the money is wasted since the coach isn't allowed to exercise her/his expertise. . .

Such was the case when medical doctors abdicated their expertise to their "customers" who demanded to be given antibiotics when they didn't need them—in effect, creating an unsafe environment for the community because the whims of the individual were fulfilled (without regard to morality—a social norm).

And let's not forget:

The PRIMARY argument against SOCCER in these here parts was this (I heard it for decades from the AD/head f'ball coach of my high school. . .):

"Soccer is a communist sport!"

AND, how is is about morality?

The griping about CESA has often been about "It's not fair. . ." a cry for moral balance. . .in the face of market forces (Does CESA get players because they offer a better product or because they have an unfair advantage over the "little guy"?).