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Congrats to all the girls that made it. OK......who got snubbed? 
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There were no sophomores on the team, but there was one freshman. I've never heard of her and Summerville has had a quiet season going unranked for a couple of weeks. That strikes me odd, but I've never seen her play and the award could be completely justified. Can anyone toot her horn?
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Where can I find the list for the all state team?
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There were no sophomores on the team, but there was one freshman. I've never heard of her and Summerville has had a quiet season going unranked for a couple of weeks. That strikes me odd, but I've never seen her play and the award could be completely justified. Can anyone toot her horn?
Summerville has won 18 of its last 19 games (quietly) and 14 in a row. The unranked weeks were very justified as we started the season off 5-4. Bacon has been the heart of their defense. She has a very low turnover ratio and a high 50/50 win ratio(yes we keep track). The defense gets credited with 14 shutouts and she is the Center-Back on that defense. Strong student, Strong character, very Strong player. "Toot"! And yes, this is a biased opinion.
Congrats to Bacon, Sweat, and the rest of the All-State team.
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I was surprised that Byrnes didn't get a player on the 4A team.
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Any real suprises? Looked like a good group to me.
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Congratulations to all those that made it. 61% of the 4A names were from schools with 2 or more players: Dorman, Wando, Summerville, Dutch Fork, and TL Hanna. 61% also came from the upper state. What were the surprises to me? Not many from a bottom-up perspective -- I think the coaches did as good a job as any year I've seen -- but since this message board was created for second-guessing!  - I think you could argue that Wando deserved three players and that either Jade Davis or Olivia Urig could have been on the list. Wando's the deepest team in the state.
- Dorman having 3 wasn't a surprise and was deserved; second deepest team in the state.
- I think 2 from Summerville (not the names, but just the quantity) was a surprise given the team's record against ranked opponents.
- Kendall Maxwell not making it was a surprise to me; not from a numbers perspective in terms of TL Hanna or a criticism of the wonderful keepers who made it but from a sheer skills perspective.
- I thought given the disparity between the upper state and lower state that 61% might have been a low representation from the upper state.
In 3-A, 66% of the names came from schools with 2 or more players; only surprise was that Riverside did not have had 3 names; deepest 3-A school in the state.
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Deirdre Ball - defensive midfielder/center midfielder,only a junior, may be the most underrated player in the State.
For a team that went 21-3 and lost 8 seniors and 1 transfer to DF, along with SA and NA in the top 15 and a very good Irmo team, I believe Lexington overachieved. Besides region two, maybe the most competitive region in the State allowing only 3 goals in 10 matches (one on a pk).
And this is coming from my opinion that the Lexingtons coaching staff is way overrated.
Rumor has it that Fryland may return in some role next year to assist the varsity and JV team...Please say thats not so.
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I'll give a second vote to Deirdre Ball.
I saw her play twice this year and I thought she was fantastic. I commented on the Fort Mill Invitational thread, back in March, that I felt she was outstanding.
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Deirdre Ball - defensive midfielder/center midfielder,only a junior, may be the most underrated player in the State.
For a team that went 21-3 and lost 8 seniors and 1 transfer to DF, along with SA and NA in the top 15 and a very good Irmo team, I believe Lexington overachieved. Besides region two, maybe the most competitive region in the State allowing only 3 goals in 10 matches (one on a pk).
And this is coming from my opinion that the Lexingtons coaching staff is way overrated.
Rumor has it that Fryland may return in some role next year to assist the varsity and JV team...Please say thats not so.
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AA/A All-State:
Missed? Kelly (D) and Lawson (K), Woodruff, both seniors. Woodruff has advanced to the Upper State for second year in a row and the team has fewer players on the All-State roster than other teams who are clearly down this year.
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Does anybody have any insights into this?
I immediately called the AD and told him that under no circumstances should Fryland be allowed to assist anything. The AD initially disagreed -- citing not only Fryland's A license and region coach of the year credentials (last year) but also that he had coached the team to winning 4 region championships in the last 4 years.
However, I told him that there was an anonymous message board poster who felt strongly that Fryland shouldn't have anything to do with Lexington. That did the trick. Fryland is now persona non grata in Lexington. Thanks for your help here!
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P.P.S. I've communicated with Fryland maybe four times in the four years my kid has played soccer for him; and I'd estimate that we've spoken about soccer once and that time only tangentially (and that was about my kid playing against Clemson and thus missing a practice back her freshman year -- it was big topic on the message boards back then as well (in a negative way.)) I have not a clue as to what he's doing. Just find the whole thing to be a bit...amusing...
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I think that Deidre is one of the finest athletes playing girls soccer in our state.
A note on something in general regarding defenders. I've been fortunate enough to see perhaps the best defender in the last 10 years play a lot (Blakely Mattern.) I've also seen some other wonderful defenders play -- from Kimmy Gillespie back when she played club/high school to Alix Zongrone today (in my opinion the best overall defender in the state. (Note: I think that Wando has the best overall defense in our state.)
The major difference that I see between the best defenders in the upstate of South Carolina versus most defenders in the state is training. There are fundamentals to the way that you play defense that I just don't see a lot of kids showing. You can be a great athlete -- but if you're not trained on defensive fundamentals -- you're not going to achieve what you want. And beyond defensive fundamentals, the best defenders in the state have the ability not only to defend but to alter the nature of the attack in a coherent, planned fashion (i.e., have some degree of field vision and an ability to pass to a teammate at a fast pace.)
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I agree with Shibumi. . .as a parent of a defender. . .I learned over her career that few people understand or respect quality defenders (except for the very elite coaches).
Note how people respond to Mattern's play; a great deal of press and response to those amazing headers on set plays (offense), but less so for the relentless physical and mental (leadership and talking) contribution she makes to any team from the back.
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You can keep that one..we are going to have a hard enough time with just ninth and tenth graders playing varsity
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I sure wish these wouldn't have been released today. The biggest game Summerville has to play in many years and the coach advocates for a freshman when there are three or four other girls on this team that are worthy. Heck, if I was one of the other 8 seniors on the team, I'm not so sure I could give 100% tonight knowing that the coaches two favorites are all he cares about.
The Summerville coach is an idiot. He has got to go. Nothing like being the largest school in the state and having a redneck idiot for a coach. Thank goodness there will be a new high school next year for rising soph's and freshman to go to.
The Summerville coach nominated the following 6 players for All-State:
Kendall Bacon, FR, D, Summerville
Cathryn Berry, SR, M, Summerville
Karla Fields, SR, D, Summerville
Christy Fletcher, JR, M, Summerville
Michele Markham, SR, D, Summerville
Lesley Sweat, SR, M, Summerville
Looks like to me he cares for more than just two. The committee chose two of his nominees: Kendall Bacon and Lesley Sweat.
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It could be worse, we could be the smallest school in the state and have the biggest "redneck idiot" for a coach.
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Since Ashley Ridge was brought up..Does anyone know who the girls coach is going to be? And what do you think of him/her?
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I heard PJ Bogensberger is the leading candidate for the Ashley Ridge job...pretty "big" choice if you ask me!!
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Speaking of big rednecks at small schools, Hey Coach. Look for Konnor this year at Clemson, he is on the roster.
Actually I heard it is Mr Weaver and I do not know anything about him as a coach other than what I have heard, and that has been positive.
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I take offense...I am the biggest redneck idiot coach in Lowcountry soccer, and I'll rassle anyone for the title.
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How many people do you know that when their two grandchildren come over for the day, the highlight is a 1/2 mile trip around the block on the John Deere riding mower yelled "Yee Haaaaa!" every three feet? How many coaches do you know who intentionally taught their daughter to spit (every team she has played on has girls who marvel at her spitting ability)? Mother came from Springfield, SC and her daddy was a cotton farmer? Red - my blood is RED!
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ANOTHER reason you aren't redneck...rednecks deal with the IRS by doing cash business and not reporting all income, not by using lawyers to find tax loopholes.
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I quit pulling for Jeff Gordon and started pulling for Dale Earnhardt, Jr. Does that count?
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I have MET Dale, Jr. The real one, not the race car driver.
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ROH, you had me at John Deere riding mower, you clinched it with the spitting lessons, but you really sealed the deal with Springfield. (My family's from right down the road in Blackville.) You've got my vote!
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This thread has been officially hijacked. Probably should put a lock on it. 
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ROH, you had me at John Deere riding mower, you clinched it with the spitting lessons, but you really sealed the deal with Springfield. (My family's from right down the road in Blackville.) You've got my vote!
Favorite middle school story: We could not get the grass cut a few years back when my daughter played middle school ball, so I took off on my John Deere one Saturday morning 4 miles from the school, took me 1.5 hours to get there, 5 hours to mow, and 1.5 to get back. When the kids showed up on Monday they were thrilled! Probably trespassing, probably broke some highway rule, definitely red neck. But the grass got cut.
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Now we can liberate it. How about those All State teams!
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Will Ryan Roseberry do the Next All State team, like the next rankings, for those who didn't make it? Seems only fair.
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to the victor goes the spoils, such a great concentration of All State players on so few teams, would indicate a poor system. Somebody out there on a team with an upside down record is better than those on the list. just a thought,
The keeper from Woodruff was great, sad she was left off.
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A better choice would be one of the heroes of Summerville. PJ isn't one of the adored.
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I don't know, Comet. I have SEEN the look in RM's eyes when he and PJ get together, and I would have to say that PJ is most DEFINITELY adored.
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lindsay taylor from blythewood should have been on there, she is a quality player.
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In response to ROH requesting a NEXT LIST of girls who were barely left off the ALL-STATE squad, this proves a little too difficult to produce. Since I have taken part in All State meetings, I understand how much thought and deliberation go into whittling down a list of 50+ candidates to a mere 18, with a lot of strong players being left off. I think the hardest part is that there will never be a day when all players have been seen by all coaches present.
Due to the lack of visibility, it makes it hard to create a NEXT list, because there are a lot of deserving girls that I as a coach have not been able to watch play.
As the season winds down, I think it would be interesting to create a list of up and coming players, players to watch, etc. for the 2009 season, as this may shed some light on some quality ladies that perhaps flew under the radar in 2008.
Another idea that may be interesting could be the addition of a 1st and 2nd team All-State for the higher classifications (AAAA and AAA) and perhaps even 5-6 HONORABLE MENTION All-State Nominees at the A-AA levels. This would be something that Kevin and Kyle and other SCHSSCA Board members would have to look at, but I think all coaches, parents, and players would agree that the level of play has dramatically increased throughout South Carolina in the last five years, and thusly that there are FAR more talented players roaming the pitch than before!
I know larger states have 1st and 2nd team All-State Teams, and it may be something South Carolina chooses to move towards. I think any high school player, boy or girl, would be thrilled to make either tier of an All-State team as opposed to being left off altogether.
With the introduction of the Clash of the Carolinas, which allows even more seniors to be recognized, I believe SC is taking positive steps towards recognizing the improving level of play and I think they will continue to seek ways to reward student-athletes in the future.
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Did you do the papers for D,J in college? Is that how he got where he got?
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Congrats to all the girls who made all state.
Olivia Urig(Wando) should have made it.
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Nice job Hannah? What does that do to her college playing prospects?
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It does not effect her college eligibility. Looks like she is the youngest one to make the team
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From what I understand from another Wren parent, as long as she doesn't hire an agent and doesn't get paid, it will not affect her eligibility.
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she is a great player and yes as long as she does not get an agent, doesnt get paid, or play for a professional team she is fine
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When is she going to play? What does her college coach think?
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She will leave the day after graduation and play thru the end of July. It is the United Soccer League(USL). She will be playing in the W-League which is the USL's highest level of womens soccer in the US and Canada. It consists of 41 teams. Her college coach thinks its great;what coach wouldn't. She will playing with and against some of the best players in the country.
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I wouldn't like it. More chance for injury, but she seems to avoid those pretty well.
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Dale:
Does that mean you also don't support all the HS girls who are playing in the RIII regionals in June or the All-Star games in June and July? I think all college coaches would want their players to continue playing through the summer. Injuries can happen in practice, but you don't stop practicing.
Unlike HS they are required to be in condition when they arrive on the college campus or they don't play. Some only have 9-10 days after arrival before their first college game. Can you get in condition in 9-10 days? I don't think so. Playing trough the summer is essential.
If HS coaches want to help their college bound athletes succeed, spend some time with some HIGH LEVEL D1 coaches. Pick their brains and see what will help your HS athletes be better prepared. College bound soccer players receive workout packages for the summer to be in shape when they arrive on campus. Ask one of your college bound players to share their package with you. Could help your conditioning in HS.
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She hasn't avoided them, she has had to play with her share of injuries. Torn ACL, broken wrist, ankles, shoulder separations, just the normal every day injuries
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She hasn't avoided them, she has had to play with her share of injuries. Torn ACL, broken wrist, ankles, shoulder separations, just the normal every day injuries
If that's what she's been through, I'd be concerned I would receive my player banged up at the time I expected her to be at her most healthy. Sounds like she's tough enough to play through it all. Are you the person that emailed me this information not too long ago? I've got your name and sent it to Coach Burriss to look it over as well. The paper might do something with it if you ask. She deserves the recognition.
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This is wonderful news for Hannah; congratulations to her!
Last year, Darcell Mollon from USC played for this team; this year Laura Armstrong (formerly of USC) is playing. In addition, I think that one of Hannah's club teammates is playing (from NC, Jordan Edwards.)
In terms of injury and schedule, it really just depends on how active the summer is for the college that each player is attending. Some schools ask their players not only to do summer workout but the captains encourage them to attend summer school and practice/play at the school during the summer. Truthfully, I wouldn't think that the risk of injury is that much greater than in some of the other training and playing that these players who are extremely motivated end up doing.
It's an excellent achievement and a wonderful opportunity -- congratulations Hannah! The College of Charleston is fortunate to get such a gifted and talented player.
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Does that mean you also don't support all the HS girls who are playing in the RIII regionals in June or the All-Star games in June and July? I think all college coaches would want their players to continue playing through the summer. Injuries can happen in practice, but you don't stop practicing.
Unlike HS they are required to be in condition when they arrive on the college campus or they don't play. Some only have 9-10 days after arrival before their first college game. Can you get in condition in 9-10 days? I don't think so. Playing trough the summer is essential.
If HS coaches want to help their college bound athletes succeed, spend some time with some HIGH LEVEL D1 coaches. Pick their brains and see what will help your HS athletes be better prepared. College bound soccer players receive workout packages for the summer to be in shape when they arrive on campus. Ask one of your college bound players to share their package with you. Could help your conditioning in HS.
CB, sometimes it pays to think things through. I'm not saying you haven't...I'm just saying.
You see, comparing regionals and All-Star games is great for the simple thinker, but when considering this pro team you need to use a little more than the knee-jerk reaction division of your brain.
As a college coach, I would be able to handle one or two days of training and then an All-Star game in which my player would be properly substituted. I would even be able to handle a few more practices and a couple of tough games for regionals.
But my problem would come in when I'm paying a kid somewhere in the neighborhood of $70,000 to come and help me win/keep my job...and she just comes off a SEASON against bigger, stronger competition with a good potential of her being worn down/nicked up. Maybe I'm crazy, but a healthy player with a bit of an offseason to refresh herself is worth more to me than one having just came off a season of "playing up".
Again, I'm proud of her and it's a heck of an accomplishment. You asked my opinion and took us down the rabbit trail, so I'm just responding. I don't want any rude return, but a debate about paying $70,000 for a tired player is welcome
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This is wonderful news for Hannah; congratulations to her!
Last year, Darcell Mollon from USC played for this team; this year Laura Armstrong (formerly of USC) is playing. In addition, I think that one of Hannah's club teammates is playing (from NC, Jordan Edwards.)
In terms of injury and schedule, it really just depends on how active the summer is for the college that each player is attending. Some schools ask their players not only to do summer workout but the captains encourage them to attend summer school and practice/play at the school during the summer. Truthfully, I wouldn't think that the risk of injury is that much greater than in some of the other training and playing that these players who are extremely motivated end up doing.
It's an excellent achievement and a wonderful opportunity -- congratulations Hannah! The College of Charleston is fortunate to get such a gifted and talented player.
For the players that stay injury free and pick up some skill and fitness along the way, I think it's great they are playing. Can you imagine the resumes of some of those players? Great to be around such experience.
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There are no rude returns here are they? Just good old debate!!.
What is your definition of TIRED? I don't think you give enough credit to these girls and the shape they are in. I'll give you the training for the All-Star games is not very intense, but the training for regionals is brutal. Two weeks with 2-a-days up until regionals is no picnic. This year regionals is two weeks earlier than last year. Training last year was up until the end of June and they played through July 5 with a couple a weeks off then training for clubs begin. Not a lot of refreshing time.
Debating the paying of $70,000 for an athlete to play for you is mute when Coach Demsey himself has encouraged Hannah to tryout and play. Maybe he knows something you don't. Imagine that!!
Soccer is a game you just have to love!!!!
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Maybe you're right about playing shape. Been a while since I've been in high school and I know our girls can flat get it on the track.
"Dempsey" I believe is his name. C of C won 8 games in '06 and 9 games in '07. They only won 1 game in the last 5 game stretch to finish the season. Yeah, I think I'll have my player rested.
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"Dempsey" I believe is his name. C of C won 8 games in '06 and 9 games in '07. They only won 1 game in the last 5 game stretch to finish the season. Yeah, I think I'll have my player rested.
But that was last year before they signed Hannah and J.L. Mann's Ally Truitt. This year, they're going to kick tail and take names!
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as a former college coach, we encouraged the girls to get as much playing time as they could over the summer. just your normal conditioning does not prepare these players for a 90 minute game and physical play that comes with it. If anything these girls need a base of fitness that they can build off of and hopefully get into "soccer shape" in 2 weeks...but the more they play the better it is for them when the season comes. The college season is short and fast once you get into it and as for incoming freshmen who wants to play, they best be ready b/c they are fighting for a job on that team. not everyone travels, dresses, or plays-this is it for them...
In regards to injuries, you can get injured doing anything-the more fit you are the less risk of injuries..
A lot of college players play in the W-league; it is a great league that has teams all over the country; the great thing is that these players can go around the country and play-several teams have host parents that will host the player and they can live for free and play soccer; several top notch college players play as well as US national players...tiffany milbrett played for the vancouver whitecaps when i watched fort collins force play themm.
good luck to this young lady-it is a great opportunity and there is always a risk in anything you do-
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"Dempsey" I believe is his name. C of C won 8 games in '06 and 9 games in '07. They only won 1 game in the last 5 game stretch to finish the season. Yeah, I think I'll have my player rested.
But that was last year before they signed Hannah and J.L. Mann's Ally Truitt. This year, they're going to kick tail and take names!
I've seen Hannah many, many times and I believe you are 100% correct!
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I saw CofC play twice last year and support their camp with kids and friends.....pretty good team with a tough schedule.
Last five matches had only two losses, both to UNC-Greensboro: 1-0 in SoCon Tournament and 3-2 in 2OT. UNCG made second round of NCAA Tournament. They also played LSU, Vanderbilt and Texas A&M in non-conference and seem to get after a tough schedule each year.
Started 7-8 fresh/soph.......so with those players a year older and what seems a good class coming in with Gmerek, it seems to be a bright future for the Cougars. Word is Casey Craft, Hayley Hutchens and Sarah Schaidle will join them in 2009 as the in-state portion of a large class.
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In state recruiting is fantastic for one of our premier college teams. If he lands those girls...wow. Nothing like beating nationally ranked teams with regional talent.
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is this still the all state thread or the hannah g thread? just wondering because i have more all state nominations.
kelly from emerald is OUTSTANDING, never seen more hand balls in the box in one single season, not mention the same ref called it everytime.
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oh ok thank you i guess i was just confused because it says all state.
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You’ll learn soon enough that there a few on this board who highjack threads daily w/many posts of silliness and nonsense. They run on for days like this with disregard to the original topic. My guess is that they haven't learned how to start a new thread or don't have access to texting/phones/e-mail.
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Or it could just be that normal human conversation tends to flow naturally from topic to topic in an stream-of-consciousness style, with one comment triggering an association with a new tangent of thought without formal divisons or pauses. Saying, "but back to what we were originally talking about..." seems to be the primary accepted way to refocus the conversation to the original topic in polite society. It requires little effort and is considered in most cultures to be a normal and necessary element in an extended discussion.
I've got good news and bad news...
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Or it could just be that normal human conversation tends to flow naturally from topic to topic in an stream-of-consciousness style, with one comment triggering an association with a new tangent of thought without formal divisons or pauses. Saying, "but back to what we were originally talking about..." seems to be the primary accepted way to refocus the conversation to the original topic in polite society. It requires little effort and is considered in most cultures to be a normal and necessary element in an extended discussion.
It takes someone of intelligence like yourself to realize this and someone of more intelligence to appreciate it
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Hey, who are you calling intelligent? I'm the biggest idiot redneck in Lowcountry soccer, remember? (That would be a result of an association with a prior conversation, another indication of an active, processing mind.) 
I've got good news and bad news...
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but back to what we were originally talking about...didn't this thread initially have something to do with RM and PJ staring dreamily into each other's eyes? or souls?
I don't know - it's all a little too much for me to think about. I just try to post the facts.
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Hey, who are you calling intelligent? I'm the biggest idiot redneck in Lowcountry soccer, remember?
(That would be a result of an association with a prior conversation, another indication of an active, processing mind.)
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