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jkr #104812 05/16/08 03:38 AM
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i'm just saying that cesa is not the only club that has players travel to them. i know of other clubs that have people travel out of state to play there (not saying that cesa doesnt). i guess its just a player's preference.




i may have missed it but im not sure who said cesa was the only team that has players travel to practice.cufc is a good club and there are some good people there.it is a fact that anytime cesa is brought up people want to bash them.you must be one of those muslim exstremist.you want to attack anybody that is better than you.

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Always interesting how some folks use the high school state playoffs as an opportunity to add up the number of players represented from a certain South Carolina soccer club. Geez, could tryouts be going on this week?

Sweet, Lizard King, others......are you guys on the payroll in Big Red's marketing department?




hurst we would of added the ft mill cesa players to the list of other girls in the finals if they would of gotten past the first round.

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i have had the experience with both cesa and cufc and i will have to say that cesa only cares about winning games unlike cufc who actually tries to make you a better player. you really dont know what you're talking about unless you've been on both sides of the fence. so i'd watch out dale, looks like ??? knows what he's talking about.




Sigh...okay...I'll address head-on but also in the end get this back on track with regard to high school soccer...

The creation and existence of CUFC is a good thing. The creation and existence of CESA is a good thing. The attempt to create a club in the low-country, whether that club is Bridge, CESA-Charleston, or whatever -- is a good thing. The existence of very strong Charlotte clubs is a good thing. The "Bulls" experiment in Augusta is a good thing.

The only bad thing that exists is when parents in an area don't have access to services for their children just because of where they live. I judge CUFC's "success", as I've said in the past, as whether they are offering opportunities across the board for all ages and genders -- and they are. CUFC is clearly the only club in South Carolina besides CESA that in all age groups and genders are allowing players a realistic shot at the final 4 (see the numbers) -- which is a proxy for at least some level of more competitive soccer.

Does CESA care about winning? I hope so. Does CUFC care about winning? On the sidelines at games, from their web site, in talking to their coaches -- it sure seems so. Does CESA or CUFC only care about winning? If you are the 17th ranked player at U15 girls tryouts and there are only 16 slots on the premier team that you played on last year, then I'm sure it would seem so regardless of which club you choose. Both CESA and CUFC, in order to offer a full spate of services, do not offer "social soccer" at their highest levels of competition. This is different than most (not all, just most) soccer clubs where there is a tendency to want to create a social clique.

If a club wants to prove that it does not only care about winning (or money, or whatever), the best thing it can do is to open up all of its practices and training to any player, regardless of club affiliation. CESA's done that. CRSA's done that. CESA-Columbia's done that. I'm hoping CUFC will one day officially at a club level do that (note: CUFC has many fine coaches who individually already do that.) Secondly, the club has to make a hard committment at tens of thousands of dollars of scholarships and attempts to penetrate underserved markets. Beyond that, I'm not sure what else might be proferred regarding "only" caring about any one aspect of youth soccer.

Finally, I'm not against clubs that want to provide "social soccer." Providing choice means that there is room for more than one model of a club. But here in Lexington we're feeling the impact of a local club that focuses more on social soccer and too many players that for whatever reason aren't ambitious enough to challenge themselves. I fervantly hope that more Lexington JV and high school players will either make the choice to try to go to CUFC or other more highly ambitious clubs -- or demand that their local club (not just a team or two, but the entire club) get more ambitious -- because otherwise it's going to be a long time until Lexington players get to play very deeply into the high school playoffs.

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i think there was 2 players on TLH also which made it deep into the playoffs.




TLH players on CESA 91 are Mariana Anderson and Morgan Tucker.

I am not close to the situation, but I think they did get a new coach midway through their schedule. As a matter of fact, didn't Pearse take over this team?

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pearse took over for the last 2 regular games through disney.
coaching wasnt all the problem but after pearse took over they did beat the fla. state champs

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I agree with you. One question - when people refer to "open training," what does that mean? In the CESA context, does it mean that kids from other clubs train with CESA teams? How does a coach incorporate the "outsider" into the coaching of his/her team?

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Numbers don't lie, and if anything CESA is forcing others to step their game up which can only be good for the state. Their presence is a catalyst for mergers and causing a lot of club to evaluate what they're doing and the benefits they're offering. It's a competition to gather, train, and win with these kids. Competition is very healthy.

On a side note, I'd like to nominate jkr (aka ??? other login name) for the dumbest quote of the week:

"...cesa only cares about winning games unlike cufc who actually tries to make you a better player."

Yessssss, because we all know that the team without the better players wins.

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Hunter-gatherers. Couldn't have said it better!

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HappyDaddy: All it means is that the club has an "open training" policy in which any player from any club can practice with any team. It's simply an expansion of what a lot of clubs do where they open up all of their practices to any player within a club. In terms of how CESA does it, typically the outside player goes through training like any other player. If there's a scrimmage with another team, the coach makes a decision whether to play the outside kid or not depending on the circumstances -- but for internal scrimmages the kid typically plays.

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Hey Dale...I get told to go back to boys soccer and now u try and call me out...i live the same distance from CESA and CUFC and i made both teams and it came down to the choice of wich club i felt had a better all around atmosphere(and im not talking like i'm some superstar)...and i made my decision and i stand by it...this comes from a very unbiased person...sorry i have to go now, and get on my 3rd login name

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