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I just realized between Woodruff 2-A, Riverside 3-A, and Mauldin 4-A CESA will have over 25 players from the upstate alone, not to mention the CESA players from the other teams on the girls side of things at Stone stadium playing for a state title. Can another club top those numbers?
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I know that Wando playing the 4A game has at least two players that play for CESA. So, that's 27. Does anyone know of others?
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Go back to Hanna vs. Mauldin, Dorman Vs. FM, Riverside vs. Eastside and add those numbers of CESA players up. OH MY GOD!!!
No club has those numbers.
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Hilton Head has at least 2 that i know of.
between Wando and Mauldin you have about 7 that are on the cesa 91 girls premier. one of the HH cesa players is on the 91s.
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CESA 91 premier is well represented in the state finals in Columbia on Friday. The ones that I know of are:
Kristy Hirt - Mauldin
Leah Young - Mauldin
Allison Nelson - Mauldin
Morgan Hert - Mauldin
Haden Uldrick - Mauldin
Taylor Carter - Mauldin
Chloe Urig - Wando
Carly Iulo - Hilton Head
Casey Black - Woodruff
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CESA 91 premier is well represented in the state finals in Columbia on Friday. The ones that I know of are:
Kristy Hirt - Mauldin
Leah Young - Mauldin
Allison Nelson - Mauldin
Morgan Hert - Mauldin
Haden Uldrick - Mauldin
Taylor Carter - Mauldin
Chloe Urig - Wando
Carly Iulo - Hilton Head
Casey Black - Woodruff
i still cant figure why we started the club seson 0-8.to much talent on that team
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i think there was 2 players on TLH also which made it deep into the playoffs.
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Maybe , it is the coaching. That is alot of talent to go 0-8.
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Looks like CESA players dominate girls HS soccer in South Carolina.
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dominate? 9 girls out of how many? Is that CESA math?
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9? what are you talking about?
CESA has over 30 girls that will be playing tomorrow.
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Maybe , it is the coaching. That is alot of talent to go 0-8.
it was probably many things but there is a new sheriff in town.
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CESA 91 premier is well represented in the state finals in Columbia on Friday. The ones that I know of are:
Kristy Hirt - Mauldin
Leah Young - Mauldin
Allison Nelson - Mauldin
Morgan Hert - Mauldin
Haden Uldrick - Mauldin
Taylor Carter - Mauldin
Chloe Urig - Wando
Carly Iulo - Hilton Head
Casey Black - Woodruff
You can add Mauldin Freshman starter center forward Gracie Boswell to this list
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Maybe , it is the coaching. That is alot of talent to go 0-8.
High school and premier league are dissimilar animals. Talented players, yes, but the premier record and the success in high school are simply showing relative talent—not the quality of the players, per se, or the quality of any coaching.
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Always interesting how some folks use the high school state playoffs as an opportunity to add up the number of players represented from a certain South Carolina soccer club.  Geez, could tryouts be going on this week?  Sweet, Lizard King, others......are you guys on the payroll in Big Red's marketing department? 
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CESA is one of the top ten events to positively influence soccer in SC. Big Red is a model for efficiency and effectiveness. Funny to hear the jealousy. They're like the Yankees, Cowboys, and Lakers. Innovaters, pioneers, and big winners. I'd hate on them too if they beat me to the punch.
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Careful now ???, you are showing your ignorance.
Don't you mean Lewis and Clark?
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it was a double meaning...i meant superheroes of the soccer world as well...that was the only way i could get the point across...
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it was a double meaning...i meant superheroes of the soccer world as well...that was the only way i could get the point across...
Haha!!! What a tool!
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why didn't you correct my above post (your)??? I'm glad it only took you 2 times...fast learner...ive been throwin' out bait all day...try and wiggle off the hook my friend
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Weaaaaaaaak!!! I thought you had a little gumption, but I was wrong. Ok, out of the sandbox for me and back to the patio with the other adults.
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Shibumi/Anyone familiar with CUFC
Does the size of CUFC and the number of teams it produces come close to that of CESA?
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Does the size of CUFC and the number of teams it produces come close to that of CESA?
CUFC is the second largest club in the state. Here are some numbers from an earlier thread (from SoccerDOC) concerning the number of teams each club had in the premier/challenge league and how many teams the clubs had in the final 4 last fall.
FSCG - 2/2
CESA - 18/12
CUFC - 14/8
CUSC - 2/1
Bridge - 11/3
LCSC - 7/2
CFC - 6/1
CASA - 3/0
MPSC - 3/0
DSC - 5/0
CSC - 5/0
NACSC - 2/0
USA - 1/0
FSA - 1/0
HHBSC - 1/0
In the last state challenge cup finals (final 2), if you do the math...
CESA would have been predicted to field 3.8 finalists and 1.9 champions; CUFC 2.9 finalists and 1.5 champions; Bridge 2.3 finalists and 1.2 champions; and LCSC 1.5 finalists and 0.7 champions. All other clubs had less of a chance (these four clubs had almost 67% of the teams that competed in RIIIPL and Challenge League.)
Based on this, CESA exceeded expectations on finalists by 138% and champions by 164%; CUFC finalists by 2% and champions by -32%; Bridge finalists by -14% and champions by -14%; LCSC finalists by -32% and champions by -100%.
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You can't argue with Big Red's CFO and Director of Operations. The numbers don't lie! 
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i have had the experience with both cesa and cufc and i will have to say that cesa only cares about winning games unlike cufc who actually tries to make you a better player. you really dont know what you're talking about unless you've been on both sides of the fence. so i'd watch out dale, looks like ??? knows what he's talking about.
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Why do some people travel 3-4 hours to get to a CESA practice? correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know of any greenville area players that travel any distance to attend other area clubs.
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actually i know of a few that live around the greenville are that play for other clubs. and i also know that many people travel hours to get to a CUFC practice.
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actually i know of a few that live around the greenville are that play for other clubs. and i also know that many people travel hours to get to a CUFC practice.
i know people that live around columbia and play for cesa.i know people that travel hours(up to 4 one way )to practice at cesa.
so what is your point a$$.
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i have had the experience with both cesa and cufc and i will have to say that cesa only cares about winning games unlike cufc who actually tries to make you a better player. you really dont know what you're talking about unless you've been on both sides of the fence. so i'd watch out dale, looks like ??? knows what he's talking about.
you may be right.that must be all cesa cares about since they do win a lot. 
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i'm just saying that cesa is not the only club that has players travel to them. i know of other clubs that have people travel out of state to play there (not saying that cesa doesnt). i guess its just a player's preference.
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i'm just saying that cesa is not the only club that has players travel to them. i know of other clubs that have people travel out of state to play there (not saying that cesa doesnt). i guess its just a player's preference.
i may have missed it but im not sure who said cesa was the only team that has players travel to practice.cufc is a good club and there are some good people there.it is a fact that anytime cesa is brought up people want to bash them.you must be one of those muslim exstremist.you want to attack anybody that is better than you.
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Always interesting how some folks use the high school state playoffs as an opportunity to add up the number of players represented from a certain South Carolina soccer club. Geez, could tryouts be going on this week?
Sweet, Lizard King, others......are you guys on the payroll in Big Red's marketing department?
hurst we would of added the ft mill cesa players to the list of other girls in the finals if they would of gotten past the first round.
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i have had the experience with both cesa and cufc and i will have to say that cesa only cares about winning games unlike cufc who actually tries to make you a better player. you really dont know what you're talking about unless you've been on both sides of the fence. so i'd watch out dale, looks like ??? knows what he's talking about.
Sigh...okay...I'll address head-on but also in the end get this back on track with regard to high school soccer...
The creation and existence of CUFC is a good thing. The creation and existence of CESA is a good thing. The attempt to create a club in the low-country, whether that club is Bridge, CESA-Charleston, or whatever -- is a good thing. The existence of very strong Charlotte clubs is a good thing. The "Bulls" experiment in Augusta is a good thing.
The only bad thing that exists is when parents in an area don't have access to services for their children just because of where they live. I judge CUFC's "success", as I've said in the past, as whether they are offering opportunities across the board for all ages and genders -- and they are. CUFC is clearly the only club in South Carolina besides CESA that in all age groups and genders are allowing players a realistic shot at the final 4 (see the numbers) -- which is a proxy for at least some level of more competitive soccer.
Does CESA care about winning? I hope so. Does CUFC care about winning? On the sidelines at games, from their web site, in talking to their coaches -- it sure seems so. Does CESA or CUFC only care about winning? If you are the 17th ranked player at U15 girls tryouts and there are only 16 slots on the premier team that you played on last year, then I'm sure it would seem so regardless of which club you choose. Both CESA and CUFC, in order to offer a full spate of services, do not offer "social soccer" at their highest levels of competition. This is different than most (not all, just most) soccer clubs where there is a tendency to want to create a social clique.
If a club wants to prove that it does not only care about winning (or money, or whatever), the best thing it can do is to open up all of its practices and training to any player, regardless of club affiliation. CESA's done that. CRSA's done that. CESA-Columbia's done that. I'm hoping CUFC will one day officially at a club level do that (note: CUFC has many fine coaches who individually already do that.) Secondly, the club has to make a hard committment at tens of thousands of dollars of scholarships and attempts to penetrate underserved markets. Beyond that, I'm not sure what else might be proferred regarding "only" caring about any one aspect of youth soccer.
Finally, I'm not against clubs that want to provide "social soccer." Providing choice means that there is room for more than one model of a club. But here in Lexington we're feeling the impact of a local club that focuses more on social soccer and too many players that for whatever reason aren't ambitious enough to challenge themselves. I fervantly hope that more Lexington JV and high school players will either make the choice to try to go to CUFC or other more highly ambitious clubs -- or demand that their local club (not just a team or two, but the entire club) get more ambitious -- because otherwise it's going to be a long time until Lexington players get to play very deeply into the high school playoffs.
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TLH players on CESA 91 are Mariana Anderson and Morgan Tucker.
I am not close to the situation, but I think they did get a new coach midway through their schedule. As a matter of fact, didn't Pearse take over this team?
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pearse took over for the last 2 regular games through disney.
coaching wasnt all the problem but after pearse took over they did beat the fla. state champs
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I agree with you. One question - when people refer to "open training," what does that mean? In the CESA context, does it mean that kids from other clubs train with CESA teams? How does a coach incorporate the "outsider" into the coaching of his/her team?
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Numbers don't lie, and if anything CESA is forcing others to step their game up which can only be good for the state. Their presence is a catalyst for mergers and causing a lot of club to evaluate what they're doing and the benefits they're offering. It's a competition to gather, train, and win with these kids. Competition is very healthy.
On a side note, I'd like to nominate jkr (aka ??? other login name) for the dumbest quote of the week:
"...cesa only cares about winning games unlike cufc who actually tries to make you a better player."
Yessssss, because we all know that the team without the better players wins.
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HappyDaddy: All it means is that the club has an "open training" policy in which any player from any club can practice with any team. It's simply an expansion of what a lot of clubs do where they open up all of their practices to any player within a club. In terms of how CESA does it, typically the outside player goes through training like any other player. If there's a scrimmage with another team, the coach makes a decision whether to play the outside kid or not depending on the circumstances -- but for internal scrimmages the kid typically plays.
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Hey Dale...I get told to go back to boys soccer and now u try and call me out...i live the same distance from CESA and CUFC and i made both teams and it came down to the choice of wich club i felt had a better all around atmosphere(and im not talking like i'm some superstar)...and i made my decision and i stand by it...this comes from a very unbiased person...sorry i have to go now, and get on my 3rd login name
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Hey Dale...I get told to go back to boys soccer and now u try and call me out...i live the same distance from CESA and CUFC and i made both teams and it came down to the choice of wich club i felt had a better all around atmosphere(and im not talking like i'm some superstar)...and i made my decision and i stand by it...this comes from a very unbiased person...sorry i have to go now, and get on my 3rd login name
i dont think he "TRIED" to call you out.seems like it worked.
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Always interesting how some folks use the high school state playoffs as an opportunity to add up the number of players represented from a certain South Carolina soccer club. Geez, could tryouts be going on this week?
Sweet, Lizard King, others......are you guys on the payroll in Big Red's marketing department?
hurst we would of added the ft mill cesa players to the list of other girls in the finals if they would of gotten past the first round.
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Ever stop to do the math and count the number of CESA players on that powerful Fort Mill squad? Only two! 
If the number of CESA (or any club) premier players are the ingredients for getting you deep into the state playoffs every year for the last five years, then wouldn't the LACK of CESA players on the FM roster be a strong endorsement for Ashleigh Sheets as POY or Jim Finnerty for COY? 
We must be doing it with mirrors up here!
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Always interesting how some folks use the high school state playoffs as an opportunity to add up the number of players represented from a certain South Carolina soccer club. Geez, could tryouts be going on this week?
Sweet, Lizard King, others......are you guys on the payroll in Big Red's marketing department?
hurst we would of added the ft mill cesa players to the list of other girls in the finals if they would of gotten past the first round.
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Ever stop to do the math and count the number of CESA players on that powerful Fort Mill squad? Only two!
If the number of CESA (or any club) premier players are the ingredients for getting you deep into the state playoffs every year for the last five years, then wouldn't the LACK of CESA players on the FM roster be a strong endorsement for Ashleigh Sheets as POY or Jim Finnerty for COY?
We must be doing it with mirrors up here!
i already knew how many cesa players are on the ft mill roster.remember my daughter trained with them and a few other cesa area players at boot room soccer school which cesa covered.
my post really wasnt about cesa getting a high school team deep into the playoffs and you know it.
as for the last part of your post i think sheets has more than a good argument to be POY.great young women,great family and even as good as ft mill is, you would not be as successful this year without her.
i know defenders do not get much love but from watching dorman two times in the last week i would say the zingrone(spelling)kid is as good as they get in the back.she never panicks and is as solid as they come.i think she played for cesa just like sheets did.
as far as jim goes you know i like him and my kids like him.you could make an argument every year for him to be COY.he knows his stuff but more important the players,parents and fans in general respect him not only as a coach but as a person.
the reason you have mirriors up there is for some of you ft mill parents to ask who is the fairest team of them all.
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.....the Dan Marino of high school girls soccer
(Maybe some day we will shed that label. )
the split puts a damper on breaking the marino curse.as soon as you are built back up to make it there again the 3rd high school will open.
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Always interesting how some folks use the high school state playoffs as an opportunity to add up the number of players represented from a certain South Carolina soccer club. Geez, could tryouts be going on this week?
Sweet, Lizard King, others......are you guys on the payroll in Big Red's marketing department?
hurst we would of added the ft mill cesa players to the list of other girls in the finals if they would of gotten past the first round.
Jimbo,
Ever stop to do the math and count the number of CESA players on that powerful Fort Mill squad? Only two!
If the number of CESA (or any club) premier players are the ingredients for getting you deep into the state playoffs every year for the last five years, then wouldn't the LACK of CESA players on the FM roster be a strong endorsement for Ashleigh Sheets as POY or Jim Finnerty for COY?
We must be doing it with mirrors up here!
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I'll predict that Alix Zongrone will be an All-Conference and All-Region player at Vassar. Wouldn't surprise me if she was named a D3 All-American before she is done. Great player. http://athletics.vassar.edu/?action=fullnews&id=1941
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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there is one player in LEX that could repeat as player of the year.she was a cesa player also.wando player won a player of the year award last year.cesa player also.
having cesa players on your high school team may not be the main ingredient to getting your team deep into the playoffs but it seems to be the ingredient lately for POY.
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What team has gone to the final four ,Three out of the last four years with no CESA players.They also won the state in 2005,played for it in 2006,Made the final four in 2008. CRSA gets more bang for thier dollar than anybody.
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sancho,
Great point. The B-C girls have had a great run and Congaree Rapids has proved to be an excellent feeder to the high school program. There certainly is something to be said for girls who play year-round together, translating into success at the high school level.
One other note though.
After reviewing the 3A archives of past high school champions, I noticed that it is usually Riverside who gets the better of B-C once we get into the middle of May.
.....and where do the majority of those Riverside girls play their club soccer?
There is certainly value in ALL club soccer programs!
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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