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The following teams will be representing SC in the R3 President's Cup in Columbus, GA, June 13-15: U13 Boys: Columbia United FC 95 Elite U14 Boys: Carolina FC 93 U15 Boys: CESA 92 Classic U16 Boys: SSC 91 Blue U17 Boys: Columbia United FC 90 Palmetto U13 Girls: Columbia United FC 95 Elite U14 Girls: CRSA Rapid Red U15 Girls: Columbia United FC 92 Palmetto U16 Girls: LCSC United 91 White U17 Girls: USA Celtic For more info go to www.r3presidentscup.com.
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R3 President's Cup schedules are posted here.
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Wow! CUFC was ***DOMINANT*** in the classic this year.
What an outstanding set of results for each of these teams and the clubs they represent.
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Why is it that teams from SC were playing Premier teams from NC and other states at a "Classic team" Regional Tournament ???? And before someone tries to tell me that they're were no Premier teams playing Do your homework as my Husband has and seen where this is the case.
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Premier teams from NC are not allowed to enter the President's Cup- the other NC teams in the President's Cup would raise concerns. What age/gender do you think it occured?
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Why is it that teams from SC were playing Premier teams from NC and other states at a "Classic team" Regional Tournament ???? And before someone tries to tell me that they're were no Premier teams playing Do your homework as my Husband has and seen where this is the case.
I do know the NC classifies CLASSIC and CHALLENGE teams differently from how we classify them. They are exact opposite to each other. In other words our 'C' teams here are called CLASSIC, while NC 'C' teams are CHALLENGE. The 'B' teams in NC are CLASSIC, and our 'B' teams are considered CHALLENGE level. The NC 'PREMIER' team may have the 'PREMIER' name only and be playing down due to not qualifing at the PREMIER level.
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the 2nd and 3rd tier teams from NC are usually much stronger than our (SC)same level teams due to a much larger pool of players. A number of the NC clubs have 4 teams in an age group.
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North Carolina classification:
Rec
Challenge
2nd Division Classic
1st Division Classic
State Premier
Region III Premier
South Carolina classification:
Rec
Classic
Challenge
Region III Premier
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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92 Boys First East
Cape Fear Breakers White
NC
CASL United Black
NC
JSC Jammers Gold
NC
NBASA Coastal United
NC
PTFC Black
NC
Triangle FC Green
NC
Triangle FC White
NC
Triangle United Gold
NC
Wilson Explosion
NC
So these are "Classic" teams or "Challenge" In NC
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1st Division East is North Carolina 1st Division Classic. There are also another nine teams in 1st Division West, the majority of those teams being from the Charlotte area.
As firsttouch mentioned above, the teams that play the next level higher, up in the State Premier League, are forced to play in the "Snickers Cup" and can't play down in the President's Cup. Historically, teams that are very good in the NC 1st Division East and West will challenge themselves and play up with the big boys in State Cup. All of the teams in the middle and lower classic first divisions, plus the teams from the classic second divisions (East, Piedmont & West) will enter the President's Cup.
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So with what you are saying is: these are NC "classic" teams which here in SC would be Challenge teams ???
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NC "classic" = SC "challenge"
NC "challenge" = SC "classic"
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Yes, but NC's state-wide premier league (classic) is much deeper than SC's challenge league. Where SC has one or two teams that are highly competitive, NC has eight in this division that are very strong (and this doesn't count the two or three teams that are playing R3PL).
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NC "classic" = SC "challenge"
NC "challenge" = SC "classic"
I do not think SC has a level equivalent to "Challenge" in NC. Challenge in NC is played in local leagues and is a step above Recreational soccer. Our PMSL teams (Classic) are usually competitive with the NC Classic 2nd division teams and sometimes the NC 1st Divisions teams. So I would say:
SCSCL = NC Premier (in-state) / 1st Div (top half)
SCPMSL = NC 1st Div (bottom half) / NC 2nd Division
My U15 girls' team played in the President's cup in Columbus last week and matched up very well with the NC team that won the U15 regional championship. They were the NC President's Cup champions and played in the Classic 1st Division last fall. We lost to them 1-0 in a very competitive match.
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Ok, there's the more complex and accurate answer for those who feel like elaborating that clearly! 
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Georgia is even better organized. The girls' statewide league is called Athena and usually has at least 4 or 5 divisions per age group, Divisions A - E for example. There are usually 9-11 teams per division. Only teams from division C and below are allowed to compete in the President's Cup. So that would mean the top 20 or so teams are not eligible for the President's Cup.
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NC "classic" = SC "challenge"
NC "challenge" = SC "classic"
I do not think SC has a level equivalent to "Challenge" in NC. Challenge in NC is played in local leagues and is a step above Recreational soccer. Our PMSL teams (Classic) are usually competitive with the NC Classic 2nd division teams and sometimes the NC 1st Divisions teams. So I would say:
SCSCL = NC Premier (in-state) / 1st Div (top half)
SCPMSL = NC 1st Div (bottom half) / NC 2nd Division
My U15 girls' team played in the President's cup in Columbus last week and matched up very well with the NC team that won the U15 regional championship. They were the NC President's Cup champions and played in the Classic 1st Division last fall. We lost to them 1-0 in a very competitive match.
While I'm glad your team did well,I disagree totally.
NC Classic 2 equals the bottom half of SC Challenge. NC Classic 1 equals the top 2-3 teams in SC Challenge. There is no SC equivalent to the NC Premier league.
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I think the point that is missed and I maybe wrong, Is that NC is sending True "Challenge" Level teams to compete at a "Classic" level Regional Tournament. And when I say Challenge I am referring to the SC level Challenge. The Presidents Cup is for " Third level Teams. Not loaded teams. And even though the One team competed equally there is something wrong with the Set-up.
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The President's Cup was started to give "second level" teams from each R3 state a chance to compete to represent their state in a regional competition. Because the states all have different categories and levels of competition, each state determines their own method for selecting who advances to the President's Cup. Below is what I have been able to find about how each state determines their PC representatives:
Alabama -- AYSA Division II State Cup Champions
Arkansas -- ASSA President’s Cup Champions
Florida -- FYSA President’s Cup Champions
Georgia -- GYSA President’s Cup Champions (C division or lower)
Louisiana -- LSA Division 1 State Cup Champions
Mississippi -- MYSA President’s Cup Champions (Division 2 teams)
North Carolina -- President’s Cup Champions (1st & 2nd division teams)
North Texas -- N/A
Oklahoma -- OSA President’s Cup Champions (excludes R3PL & top-6 OPL teams)
South Carolina -- SCYSA President’s Medal Cup Champions (excludes R3PL & SCSCL teams)
South Texas -- STYSA President's Cup Champions
Tennessee -- TS Division 2 Champions
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I think the point is that their "B" level teams are a lot better than our "B" level teams. And in a lot of cases, their "B" teams are better than many of our "A" teams.
The top team or two by age in SC can typically compete against anyone in NC. Problem is....there are two teams in SC like that and there are 8-10 teams like that in NC.
So NC Premier + NC teams who compete in R3 typically = the teams from SC who play R3.
The teams who play 1 level below that in NC....play in the NC State Cup one level below those Premier/R3 teams, which is where they are supposed to be. But that level is higher, for the most part, than what we have at the second level in SC.
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Out of 10 boys and girls divisions, NC won 3 President's Cup Championships. Here are the number of 2008 PC Champions from each state association:
Florida - 1
North Carolina - 3
North Texas - 3
South Texas - 3
All other state associations - 0
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What level is the Kepner Cup in NC
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I think the point that is missed and I maybe wrong, Is that NC is sending True "Challenge" Level teams to compete at a "Classic" level Regional Tournament. And when I say Challenge I am referring to the SC level Challenge. The Presidents Cup is for " Third level Teams. Not loaded teams. And even though the One team competed equally there is something wrong with the Set-up.
I'll put it this way; I don't know about Regionals, but I've coached in invitational tournaments where a NC "Classic" team was placed in the bracket with SC classic teams...
The results were a little ugly.
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What level is the Kepner Cup in NC
The President's Kepner Cup is the name of NC's spring President's Cup which is for U13-U18 boys and U13-U14 girls. It is open to all NC Classic Teams, excluding Premier level Classic teams. In other words, Classic 1st Division and below. The winners advance to the Region 3 President's Cup.
The fall competition is called the President's State Cup (not Kepner) and is for U13-U18 girls teams.
Note: In NC, boys play high school soccer in the fall and girls play in the spring. That's why the club seasons and cups are split.
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