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Who is to win SCISA State Championship in 2009?
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Hows Ben Lippen, Pinewood Prep and Hammond looking this year?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see another Pinewood - Cardinal Newman championship game. It's kind of hard to not go with Pinewood....right now though.
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Did Cardnial Newman lose anyone from last season?
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Someone from the midlands would know better, but I don't think they lost a whole lot. From what I understand there was a player missing from last years playoff game for CN, due to a concussion (I think) which some say will make a difference for them this year, if they face Pinewood. I guess more will be known in a couple of weeks during the Wando tournament. The missing player last year forced the CN coach to play a more defensive minded game. If all are healthy, it would make for a good match, similar to the one a couple of years ago.
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CN, unofficially, loses one starter to graduation from 2008, and was indeed missing one player (O'Rourke) for the semifinal match @ Pinewood.
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Pinewood and Cardnial Newman the only teams? Last season,how tight was the game between the two teams? I understand Pinewood went on to win their fifth straight state championship, but what was the competition?
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Pinewood should be strong,Cardinal Newman lost some talent, but should be strong. Hammond lost most if not all of their starters to graduation. St. Joseph's could be the team to give everyone headaches.
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Cardinal Newman only lost one senior to graduation.
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I heard St. Joseph's lost some key players as well. But I don't know if they gained any new talent. Anyone know?
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Ben Lippen only lost 2 Seniors so watch them closely and never underestimate them. Pinewood and CN will of course be very good this year as well.
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I have heard that Pinewood is not playing that well, based on the results against the three public schools they have played thus far. Anyone have any input?
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Flu and other viruses have been taking a toll. Pinewood's Bball team still playing. Haven't had the full or same squad at any of the scrimmages thus far. Hopefully those that aren't playing basketball will at least be healthy this weekend.
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Arent Pinewood and Cardinal newman both in this weekends tournament? Who will turn out the better performance?
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Cardinal Newman is going to be hard to beat.
Great players and great coach.
This is basically the same team that:
Beat BC two years ago - BC had a good team.
Beat BC last year - BC had a really good team.
Beat up on BC last night - BC is having a rebuilding year :-)
“It’s the most wonderful time of the year”
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Yes, both Pinewood and Cardinal Newman are playing this weekend.
I'm not disagreeing that CN will be a difficult out, and I have a lot of respect for the coaches at both CN and BC, but, really, BC as the measuring stick? I understand your personal affinity and all, but, this singular basis of explanation is difficult to understand.
I'm pretty sure 5 years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
Three years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
Two years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the Championship.
Last year, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
There are players on Pinewoods team that have been a part of each of these games, so they know the road to the Championship is likely through CN. It will be a good game when they do meet.
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Hey Bear,
What I was trying to say (however poorly) was these are literally the same players that played two years ago.
I was amazed two years ago how many sophomores they had...and they were solid then. Now these sophomores are seniors and their skills have only grown during these years.
Did Pinewood lose many seniors last year? If not, then you are right about a "good game".
I know about half of these kids from club soccer, and just know they are going to be tough as nails this year.
However I've never had the pleasure of seeing Pinewood play, but will this weekend. Should be interesting.
“It’s the most wonderful time of the year”
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Pinewood graduated a couple. It should be a good game, when and if it happens.
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Yes, both Pinewood and Cardinal Newman are playing this weekend.
I'm not disagreeing that CN will be a difficult out, and I have a lot of respect for the coaches at both CN and BC, but, really, BC as the measuring stick? I understand your personal affinity and all, but, this singular basis of explanation is difficult to understand.
I'm pretty sure 5 years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
Three years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
Two years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the Championship.
Last year, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
There are players on Pinewoods team that have been a part of each of these games, so they know the road to the Championship is likely through CN. It will be a good game when they do meet.
Bear,
I was very impressed with Cardinal Newman last night and in recent years. Solid club from front to back led by College of Charleston signee Thomas Winstead (whose brother Matt played at USC and whose father Brian is one of the Gamecocks' all-time leading scorers). The Cardinals have great size throughout their squad with Nick O'Rourke and Gabe Roldan providing excellent height in the midfield.
Compliment those players with the likes of Mike Beaudoin, Zach Hrovat, Mike Maracich, and Adam Touma, and the Cardinals were most definitely the best team Brookland-Cayce faced during a grueling preseason for an inexperienced varsity squad that the Bearcats have this spring -- and that includes perennial Class 4A state powers Spring Valley and Lexington, as well as an improved White Knoll side.
As for B-C being a "measuring stick", it's probably HTP's familiarity with the Bearcats program that provides him that insight and comparison:
Bearcat Soccer (2005-2008)
.723, 47-18, Regular Season
.488, 17-18-5, Tournaments/Postseason
.714, 20-8, Region (1 Championship, 3 Runner-Up)
.633, 64-36-5, Overall
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'08, #18
'07, #32
'06, #20
'05, #25
Massey Strength of Schedule
'08, #22
'07, #27
'06, #12
'05, #22
Postseason (Final Rank)
'08, #4 - 3A Lower State Finals (lost to Chapin, 0-1 pk)
'07, #9 - 3A Second Round
'06, #4 - 3A Lower State Finals (lost to Dreher, 2-4 ot)
'05, #8 - 3A Second Round
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Man, the wrath of Kyle, I don't know whether to feel good or bad :-). I have no doubts that Cardinal Newman is a very solid squad. It will be fun to watch them play.
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since there had been so much pinewood prep vs cardinal newman talk prior to this past weekend, i'm kinda surprised no one has mentioned anything about the results…
cardinal newman (#26) went up against wando (#7), fort mill (#24) and hilton head (#35), came away (0-2-1) with 3 pts and an 11th place finish.
pinewood prep (#11) went up against lexington (#8), summerville (#13) and myrtle beach (#19), came away (3-0-0) with 24 pts and a 2nd place finish.
granted, no playoff matches were played, but even if there were, pinewood's final placement could have only been as low as 4th (maybe 3rd, depending on how that was calculated) but they could have also won the tournament, while cardinal newman could have ended up 11th or 12th.
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Well done Pinewood Prep this weekend. Managing to come away with 3 wins against very good teams, in tough conditions, is no small feat. However, the numbers you gave were a bit skewed in describing this year's teams.
Massey ratings show no indication for the next year's teams. What I mean is, 2008 rankings are in no way a 2009 preseason ranking. For example, Lexington(8) is replacing 9 starters from a 2008 team that finished 5th in 4A, Summerville(13) was the 2nd highest rated team for 2009 in this group heading into the weekend, and Myrtle Beach returns few if any starters from last year's quarterfinal team. In addition, Wando(7) features 8 seniors returning, Fort Mill(24) has 9, and they both hold preseason top 5 4A rankings. Hilton Head(35) also holds a top 10 3A preseason ranking, coming off a year where they lost an overtime game to the aforementioned Myrtle Beach team in the 2nd round.
Cardinal Newman and Pinewood Prep were both missing key starters due to basketball. I am not sure of Pinewood's numbers, but I believe Cardinal Newman was missing 4 starters (I assume Pinewood was around the same number).
So, if you want to look at some rankings that are a bit more in-tune with the '09 season...
Cardinal Newman (0-2-1): Wando(#3-4A), Ft. Mill(#5-4A), Hilton Head(#9-3A)
Pinewood Prep (3-0-0): Lexington(#13-4A), Summerville(#6-4A), Myrtle Beach(#12-3A)
I think the build-up is appropriate for CN and PP. I think it's fair to say though, that this first weekend is a tough indicator as to how a possible May matchup would turn out.
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i take it you're going from eurosportscoreboard.com?
so, although lexington and myrtle beach both beat summerville, you still think that is more accurate?
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I think Myrtle Beach and Lexington's rankings are about where they should be, and Summerville could be a bit overrated. I'm taking into account that a lot of things can happen when you play two games in a few hours. Wando and Ft. Mill should switch positions.
Still, its the same argument, and I definitely think that's more accurate.
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Pinewood Prep has an excellent soccer team this year, despite the limited numbers. With the infusion of several Bridge FA soccer players, who play at the US Soccer Academy level, the small school in Summerville, SC will continue to produce state champions. Not playing that weekend was Malcolm Reed, a defensive stopper, who recently signed with the University of Central Florida. The team is full of young talent; Justin White, an athletic and physical striker who scored 3 of 4 goals. Thomas Ferro technical abilities are second to none. Dillion Thies, Taylor Katsanis and Brandon Phinney are defensive wizards allowing 1 goal in 3 matches. Anchoring the team with their senior leadership are Joe Sweet and Brandon Ferro.
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How could you forget about Robert Beebe in goal? Arguably, one of the best keepers in the state. Who also plays with the Bridge FA U16 Academy Team.
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Justin White, an athletic and physical striker who scored 3 of 4 goals.
And didn't Taylor Katsanis score the fourth? How young are these players?
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Clearly an oversight on my part. Definitely, Robert Beebe is the best keeper in the state. With his 6'1" plus size, he is a monster in goal. Intimidating strikers at all levels. With the addition of the Bridge FA Academy players and the tremendous coaching job by Coach Birchwood and Coach Collins, Pinewood Prep has a stable of outstanding players.
Oh, and by the way, they're are only sophomores
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Wow...I guess everybody else should just hang it up and give the trophy to Pinewood. I mean, with defensive wizards, skills that are second to none, and the best keeper in the state, why is anybody else even trying to compete?
Hey SCISA, go ahead and put Pinewood on the trophy.
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Ok, I'm sure Pinewood may be good, and may have the chance to win a 6th, but there has to be some exadgeration to what Soccer Inc. has said.
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I think Cardinal Newman will win it all. Pinewood Prep will be listening to, to many people like Soccer Inc. and will get upset by someone! Pressure will get to there squad.
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What happened to Cardinal Newman in the Carolina Soccer Classic? I was hoping so get to see Pinewood and Cardnial Newman play. From what I understand, Pinewood was fighting for first and Cardinal Newman was fighting for eleventh.?
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Isn't Cardinal Newman's starting keeper still playing basketball?
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good luck to CN traveling up to Northwestern tonight
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Looks like CN had a decent showing against NW... maybe the SCISA race is closer than some have predicted.
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Achmed surprise NW be on CN schedule.
That Will guy must have big kohonas (norwegian dessert)
Good showing CN...up at half.
Achmed likes CN
"Silence, I kill you!" - Achmed the Dead Terrorist
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#1 ranked Pinewood Prep, 6-1-0, (SCISA) defeated #1 ranked Bishop England, 7-0-0, (2A) in PK’s 4 – 2. Pinewood Prep played a tremendous against the Bishop England. The game was exciting for both the fans and students. I applaud both teams and schools, quality student-athletes. Noteworthy was Pinewood Prep’s defense. Reed, Theis, Katsanis, and Phinney confused and pestered BE’s outstanding striker, Khoury .PP’s Goalie Robert Beebe blocked two PK’s during penalty kicks, outstanding performance.
PP Goals:
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ST,
Your on going infatuation with the sophomore class at Pinewood is becoming annoying. They are a big part of the team, yes. They are the "future". What they are doing right now, either knowingly or unknowingly is trying to figure out "who's the man" and at times don't play smart, simple, effective soccer. Your posts are fueling that.
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Apparently, not understanding the psychology of a team sport is evident in your comment. If comments are warranted be specific. With any team supporters expect perfection. Fact, Pinewood Prep is 5-0-0 in league play, 5-1-0 against 4A schools and defeated the 2A state champion. Fact, Pinewood Prep’s team is young, with senior leadership, but the team knows how to win. That’s called character. The season has just begun and training continues weekly. Pinewood Prep's experienced coaching staff will have the team peaking at the right time just before the state tournament. Anything that I analyze/post on this site will be positive, respectfully read yours. Congratulations to Malcolm Reed on a successful high school career. Outstanding article in the Post and Courier. http://charleston.net/news/2009/mar/27/ninth_title_sight_reed76620/
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Actually, the pyscological understanding of a team sport is foremost in my post. From the article on Reed, comments attributed to Coach Birchwood.
"He's a great player, but some people say he doesn't talk enough. But why talk when your actions, your performance, say enough."
This kind of gets at what was intended to be my point. Make the following substitutions.
They are a great team, but some people say they don't........
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I think everyone was hoping to see Bishop England play Pinewood Prep in the finals of the West Ashley Tournament, unfortunately, Bishop England lost to what seemed to be the underestimated Academic Magnet and didn't make it to the finals. And Pinewood went on to win first place. Anyone know if the BE-PP game that was canceled due to weather will be rescheduled?
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Pinewood travels to Hammond on Monday April 20, any predictions? is this game a measuring stick for Pinewood and CN b/c Hammond will have played both these teams?
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It seems hammond always plays their best games against CN
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Academic Magnet would be the better measuring stick, i believe. Because im afraid Hammond isn't very strong this year from what i've heard. And PP plays Academic Magnet on Tuesday. So i think the result of that game will tell you more.
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Academic Magnet would be the better measuring stick, i believe. Because im afraid Hammond isn't very strong this year from what i've heard. And PP plays Academic Magnet on Tuesday. So i think the result of that game will tell you more.
Or maybe not. I heard Hammond took down PP in a thriller
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Can I get some insight on the Hammond/PP game? What was up with that? Hey Bear, you got any details?
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First, congrats to Hammond, ending Pinewood's streak of over 5 years without a loss to a SCISA team.
Pinewoods goal was off a nice combination play about 10 minutes in. Hammond's goal was off a penalty kick for a handball from a deep throw in, in the first half.
Penatly kicks, Pinewood kicked first. Hammond Keeper saved the first, the next 8 kicks were good, and the Pinewood keeper saved the 5th kick of Hammond's, resulting in 4 - 4 after the 5 kickers. 6th kick, Hammond keeper saved, then Hammond made.
That's pretty much the details.
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Hammond was missing their starting center back and forward as well. Pinewood had all starters there. Looks like scisa's a little more competitive then pinewood fans anticipated.
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Actually, SCISA is less competitive this year than in years past. In the past the upstate region there were a couple of teams that were battling it out for the region title late in the season. This year, CN is the clear front runner and therefore the favorite. Pinewood in years past has been the front runner and favorite in the lower state region, and is so again this year.
Now, the missing starters that you state would answer some of how the game actually went. I don't know that if the starting center back had been there Pinewood would have had the 4 1v1's with the keeper, and with a starting forward missing, that would explain the lack of effort needed by the Pinewood keeper during the game.
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I wasn't saying that scisa overall is very competitive. i was just saying that there are more good teams that anyone gave credit to preseason. Hammond has the number 1 seed in the playoffs over pinewood. Who would have predicted that?
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Perhaps rather than saying SCISA, you should have said Hammond, if that was what you were intending to imply then.
Where and how does Hammond have the number 1 seed over Pinewood in the playoffs? Cardinal Newman is the currently ranked #1, followed by Pinewood, followed by Hammond, at least on SC Soccer. I'm just trying to understand you at this point.
CN is #1 upperstate, Hammond #2 upperstate, Pinewood #1 lowerstate. I think there are 3 regions this year, but that still leaves Hammond #2 in their region.
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I think you're right Bear. With Hammond being the #2 seed out of their region, they would still have to travel to Pinewood, I believe. At least that is how its been in the last few years.
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I was just referring to the fact that pinewood wasn't even considering any teams from scisa and hammond happens to be in scisa. Hammond beat pinewood and wilson hall 2 times who is the other number 1 seed. Therefore if pinewood and hammond win in the first round, pinewood will play Hammond at Hammond because Hammond is the number 1 seed.
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Again, you have made a leap from Hammond to SCISA. I'm sorry that no one has said much about Hammond in this discussion, and again congratulations for the win over Pinewood. Somehow, I could be wrong though, I think both teams are looking forward to a rematch.
If you know this seeding and such to be the case, I really wish that you could put some kind of link to it, or at least provide something a little more concrete. No one really seems to know precisely what is happening with the bracketing.
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Look at the historical record as it relates to the 2008 SCISA soccer bracket. Sometimes history is the best teacher. The #1 seed Pinewood Prep (Lower State) and the #1 seed St Joseph (Upper State) had home field throughout the playoffs. According to SC Soccer, in 2009 it’s CN and Pinewood Prep. The path to the Championship will definitely run through Lower State with the title game being played at Porter Gaud.
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Actually, I believe Hammond was the #1 seed going into the playoffs for the upperstate in 2008. St Joseph's, upset Hammond at Hammond in the semis, after playing HHC in the first round in probably an away but neutral site.
2008 was Upper: Hammond, CN, St. Joseph's, Ben Lippen
2008 was Lower: Pinewood, HHC, PG, Northwood
New region alignment with a 3rd region has this up in the air at the moment. I'm sure someone knows, but it's not public yet that I know of.
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Top 3 from upper get in.
Top 3 from lower get in.
Top 1 from new region gets in.
1 At-large gets in.
Not posted on SCISA website, but from the regulations sent to ADs and coaches from SCISA office. I guess the new region is smaller than the other two or something. I'm not as familiar with the guys. Don't know how the bracket will look just yet, but that's who gets in.
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It's been posted now, but it doesn't match up with what people were thinking. 4 spots went to traditional upperstate, 2 spots, to the traditional lower state, and 2 spots to the new region. And it appears that in fact Pinewood will be traveling to Hammond should they both win the first round. Kind of strange. Bracket
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Not posted on the SCISA web site, even though the reception is tomorrow. However, the notifications have been made to the respective schools.
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Top 3 from upper get in.
Top 3 from lower get in.
Top 1 from new region gets in.
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Are the people at Orangeburg Prep the only ones who realize this is completely unfair? Florence Christian (#4 in SCISA), Wilson Hall (5), and Orangeburg Prep (6) are all in the new region and that region only gets one team? Orangeburg Prep beat Porter Gaud twice and Portergaud makes the play-offs and OP doesn't? Something has gotta change before next year...
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How did malcolm reed and joe sweet not make all state
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The SCISA lists are a joke. Both boys and girls.
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Unless I'm mistaken, a coach has to nominate a player in order for them to be eligible for an all-state bid. And again, unless I'm mistaken, this is two consecutive years Joe Sweet wasn't nominated. So the lists are what you make them.
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Unless I'm mistaken, a coach has to nominate a player in order for them to be eligible for an all-state bid. And again, unless I'm mistaken, this is two consecutive years Joe Sweet wasn't nominated. So the lists are what you make them.
I don't know if you are mistaken or not. But I do know that there are several coaches who did not make nominations because they weren't aware that they had to.
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No one..Stop making lists..There never going to be fair..Everyone contributes on the teams or they would not be on the team
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Cardinal Newman defeated Porter Gaud last night 4-1. Game was very wet, game was delayed because of lightning.
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What about Pinewood. How did they do last night
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Hammond won 3-0 over Florence Christian
Wilson Hall was leading St. Joe's 2-0 at halftime when play was suspended.
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Game was cancelled due to weather. To be played tonight after Pinewood/Heathwood girls game.
In the Wilson Hall/St. Joe's game, the SCISA rules say that if a game has reached halftime, the game is official, but I have not heard yet if that will be the case in this instance or if they will resume tonight.
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Pinewood over Ben Lippen 4-0. Pinewood will play Hammond, at Hammond Thursday
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CN over wilson hall 5-1. CN advances to the finals
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any details on the red card (2 yellows or straight red) from the hammond/pinewood match?
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Yes, both Pinewood and Cardinal Newman are playing this weekend.
I'm not disagreeing that CN will be a difficult out, and I have a lot of respect for the coaches at both CN and BC, but, really, BC as the measuring stick? I understand your personal affinity and all, but, this singular basis of explanation is difficult to understand.
I'm pretty sure 5 years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
Three years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
Two years ago, Pinewood beat CN in the Championship.
Last year, Pinewood beat CN in the playoffs.
There are players on Pinewoods team that have been a part of each of these games, so they know the road to the Championship is likely through CN. It will be a good game when they do meet.
Hey Bear...can we pick them or what?
See you at the game! I'll be the funny looking guy with the two cameras hanging around my neck.
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Pinewood Prep 4:2 Cardinal Newman (OT)
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It was the same ref for both teams.
Pinewood. State Champs. 4-2. 6th straight. End of story...
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Congrats to Pinewood on their 6th straight champioship. They never quit and played like true champions. Congrats to Coach Birchwood and Coach Phillips and to Seniors Malcom Reed and Joe Sweet who I believe got his 6th ring as well.
To my guys.....what a run, I am very proud of you!
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Congrats to Pinewood on their 6th straight champioship. They never quit and played like true champions. Congrats to Coach Birchwood and Coach Phillips and to Seniors Malcom Reed and Joe Sweet who I believe got his 6th ring as well.
To my guys.....what a run, I am very proud of you!
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Coach - speaking for a lot of Pinewood folks - thanks. This afternoon was a war. I am sure that I wasn't nearly the only Pinewood fan who filed out of the stadium feeling almost as bad for the Cardinal Newman players who played their hearts out as I was feeling good for our boys - especially Malcolm Reed, Joe Sweet, and the other seniors.
I know there was and will always be a LOT of controversy about the indirect kick - both the call on the keeper and the execution of the indirect. Even though I think both calls were correct (like I am objective or something), nobody wants a championship decided like that. Your keeper (like all of your players) played a great match.
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Congrats to Pinewood on their 6th straight champioship. They never quit and played like true champions. Congrats to Coach Birchwood and Coach Phillips and to Seniors Malcom Reed and Joe Sweet who I believe got his 6th ring as well.
To my guys.....what a run, I am very proud of you!
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Ditto on the Pinewood congrats!
Pictures from the game
http://CardinalNewman.winkflash.com
The pictures are a little Cardinal Newman biased (sorry Pinewood)
First 70 are from one camera, next 200 are from the other, so they seem out of order.
Both teams played a heck of a game and it was a pleasure to have been there.
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Congrats to the Boys and Girls from Cardinal Newman for making it to the final. The atmosphere and competition were really good. Great job by Coach Will Eudy for the work he did in preparing his team this season.
Congratulation goes out the Pinewood girls on a great season.
I would like to thank the boys of Pinewood for playing their hearts out and never giving up when we went down 2-0. This win was all about the boys, and I hope they all use it as a life lesson. It’s never going to be smooth sailing but you have to persevere.
Congrats to Sweet and Reed for title 6 and 5 respectively
Thanks to Coach Collin Phillips for the support over the years
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It was a temendously exciting game, and a fitting cap to the end of a players HS career. More later, it's mother's day after all. Post & Courier
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Any pictures of the CN/Pinewood girls' championship game?
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any clarification on the controversy of the indirect kick call in the box in the first overtime period of the boys state championship game?
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pnedvedpcrouch2319 that is a very interesting insight
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HTP,
Sorry I missed you. The game was much like I thought it would be back in February when this thread started. Thank you for sharing the photos. I was able to find some of personal interest. I now have some photo book ends from the first championship, and final championship.
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Scholes18, you seem to be rather bitter.
Would you care to elaborate on why the free kick was interesting?
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I am bitter. But thats all water under the bridge now
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Clearly the ball was stopped by the Cardinal Newman defender and picked up by their goalie. I don't understand, what's the controversy? The fact that it wasn't an indirect kick at all? Or the way Pinewood took the free kick? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6bvHEUWoQITheres a link, which shows the free kick, and highlights of the game.
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it doesnt show it but the ref was talking to the keeper. Neither the gk or the ref was ready
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If the ref wasn't ready then why was the goal allowed?
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Allstar16, what dont you buy?
I havent seen the video yet but it looked to me like the center ref was talking to the wall or whoever would listen to him & the guys in the wall were lookin at him & not the ball & then pinewood took the kick. The whistle had blown but he was distracting the wall. By the book I think everything is good. But it just didnt seem right that the wall was paying attention to him & not the pinewood guys takin the kick. but in the end, prep got a breakaway & scored so the game was not decided by that one goal.
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it doesnt show it but the ref was talking to the keeper. Neither the gk or the ref was ready
I don't buy that
well, you should...
I was on the sideline even with the goal. There was definitely some mass confusion going on.
The keeper started jumping out and back, and the PW kids started pointing and yelling at the ref. And the keeper was trying to talk to the ref too. And while the ref was trying to address the keeper, PW shot (and scored). The ref was not watching the play.
However, with that said....I believe the ball was blown into play (before the confusion), so I'm not really sure if anything was done that should have stop the play.
there....my 2 cents worth (and you get what you pay for)
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Well put HeTakesPictures... Could not agree with you more... I too was there. This whole freekick call controversy will never end. That's what controversy is. Everybody will have his/her opinions, but in the end who is right? Personally, I believe the refs did an extremely poor job of officiating the game and controlling it. Again, this is my opinion, but I believe most of the calls/fouls were more in favor towards Pinewood. I know for a fact that the refs were speaking with both teams especially the gk for CN. the gk was confused on what to do. Pinewood exploited off this and the ref's lack of awareness.
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That situation almost never happens, meaning that there is rarely an indirect kick inside the six. But that is still no excuse for the refs to be distracting the gk and then still allow the goal.
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I completely agree with you mediocrates, that was some the worst officiating I have ever seen. One of the linesman spent more time yelling at fans on the sideline than he did officiating the game.
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Absolutely correct. The refs have the authority to not allow the goal and make it be re-taken but no such actions happened. Personally, this free-kick should not have even occured. There was NO INTENTIONAL pass back to the keeper. The ball had bounced off numerous players from both sides and the last player it hit was a CN player and the ref made a very poor judgement of the situation...
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I completely agree with you mediocrates, that was some the worst officiating I have ever seen. One of the linesman spent more time yelling at fans on the sideline than he did officiating the game.
Correctomundo!!!! the linesman on the players side specifically on the right side where CN's bench was had no decency at all. He was mocking the fans, getting smart with the coach, and what seemed to me was that he was on "power-trip." In all honest opinion he was flat out immature and should not have been a part of that officiating crew. That was a too big caliber of a game to have that ref. The center ref.... well i wont even bother for now
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i agree with all of the above statements the ref obviously didnt have the guts to call back the goal which was clearly his fault since he was talking to the defending team while the kick was taking place....lets not also forget he also called a very very controversial pk for pinewood right before halftime. It really is dissapointing that poor reffing caused two goals for pinewood in that caliber of a game
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Pinewood. State Champs. 4-2. 6th straight. End of story...
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What were the circumstances of the controversial PK just prior to halftime?
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gpennypacker. great question. Well I do believe there was little under two minutes left in the half when apparently a CN player was called for grabbing a jersey of the PW player dribbling the ball close to the 18, this was too close to tell, regardless This did not take away any goal scoring opportunities, the PW player was in no position to score (he was near the corner flag). Honest opinion this should not have been called. Throughout the whole game there was jersey pulling and the ref only called this.
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mediocrates that is exactly what happened poor descision by the ref and it cost cardinal newman the championship game. the ball was completly past the attacking player when the call was called he had no chance to score....cost the cn kids the most important game of their lives
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Little over dramatic pnedved? And my only questions is why all this talk about this free kick when PP won by 2 goals. Had they not made the free kick then they still would have won correct?
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I agree shirtless. From where I was standing the pinewood player was in the six and was clearly pulled and the CN player definately intentionally trapped the ball before the keeper took it off of his feet. The free kick was clearly legal and should not be contreversial. If play had been stopped then the CN keeper should have recieved a yellow card for jumping at the ball numerous times while the ball was stopped.
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actually not over dramatic at all....the pk and free kick cost the CN the MOST important game of their lives. That was the last chance for the seniors who worked their whole careers for a ring and it was taken away. Congrats CN seniors for being a great team. CN was the best team in SCISA and definitely one of the top teams in the state.
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the reason the keeper was jumping at the ball was because the kicker for pinewood kept faking like he was going to kick it so the keepers actions were perfectly legal. Secondly pinewood won by two goals was because after the third goal by pinewood was scored cn attacked all thier players on a corner leaving a one on one situation for pinewood
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I agree with pnedvedpcrouch2319, the fourth goal would not have happened if the entire cn team was not up attacking trying to tie the game after the awful fk call
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Crying about it on the message boards is going to accomplish absolutely nothing. If you are a senior from CN shouldn't you be occupying your time with other more important issues like maybe graduation and college than crying about losing on a message board?
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shirtless bernie if you cant handle this forum because of its topic i suggest you go back to 1st grade. i wouldnt call that crying. i believe everyone is entitled to their opinion on this topic.
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Rooney, seeing as how Pinewood beat CN I think that they were the best team in SCISA, also you make Pinewood sound like a villian stealing the game from CN seniors but what about all of the Pinewood seniors who have worked just as hard throughout their careers. Are you saying that because Pinewood had already won the state championship CN seniors were entitled to win one because they worked hard?
Pnedved, the ball was never put into play therfore the keeper cannot advance towards the ball and should have recieved a yellow. Faking is a common occurance throughout the world of soccer even to the international level.
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You're right mediocrates, I just can't handle this forum.. I might as well just leave.
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First off, who ever said the Pinewood PK was called when one of their players had his jersey pulled near the corner flag is an IDIOT. Clearly, the player was at the six, when he was, not pulled by his jersey, but pulled by his entire arm out of the way. A legit call. Second, as for the free kick, the CN player definitely took a touch and looked to clear when he saw the pp players, and was then called off the ball by the keeper, who then picked it up. With so many pinewood players around, this was a serious oppotunity to possibly take the ball and finish. Finally, even if the ref call the kick back, and makes them take it again, what are the odds PP doesn't put it in the back of the net the second time from SIX YARDS OUT?! and even so, the keeper deserved a yellow...and if you take the kick away entirely, PP wins 3-2. the lack of composure showed by CN when they tried to pressure with everyone resulted in the fourth goal. Dramatic comback, great job keeping composure by the pinewood players. Dont try to take that away from them because CN lost control and was out played.
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actually not over dramatic at all....the pk and free kick cost the CN the MOST important game of their lives. That was the last chance for the seniors who worked their whole careers for a ring and it was taken away. Congrats CN seniors for being a great team. CN was the best team in SCISA and definitely one of the top teams in the state.
haha...Pinewood prep, 6th state championship. Best team in scisa. How many times have Cardinal Newman lost in the state championship now to Pinewood?
I think it's funny how this thread has been turned against pinewood to make them look like the bad guys...
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Not at all the case allstar sir. I believe a main point on this thread is that the opinion of many peoples believing there was a horrible officiating crew. And no one is calling pinewood "villians" or "bad guys" ease up mom.
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As a referee i hope i can add an alternate perspective of the IFK overtime goal. I was not at the game and cant offer possible explanation for the PK that was given, but i saw footage of the IFK. The fake is obviously a legitimate tactic when taking a free kick however no card or penalty should be given for a player biting on that fake. For those wanting the goal called back from the ref distracting the players they should speak to the GK and defenders on the line. They appealed to the ref after the fake and appeared to ask the referee to blow his whistle. if they made any sort of vocal appeal the referee will talk back. if he does not blow his whistle there is no reason to stop. based off of the angles i have seen it looks as if everything was right. it would be interesting to hear what was said by the referee to clarify..
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i might be unclear unto the keeper charging the ball. However there is no denying from anyone on this forum that the ref was indeed instructing the defending team thus distracting them while pinewood scored. apparently cat scatch, you have never played soccer. IT is nearly impossible to score on a team with 11 players packed in the box in front of the ball. If the ref wasnt distracting the players they wouldnt have scored. period.
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IT is nearly impossible to score on a team with 11 players packed in the box in front of the ball.
Unless the players bite on the fake, jump at the ball, get caught up in the theatrics, become disorganized and lose focus on the two players over the ball taking the kick. The result as you already know is, a goal is scored, and it becomes the refs fault.
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While you do make a valid point comet, this was not the case. No questions. Asked the refs WERE talking to the defending team explaining what the situation was and so PW exploited this and kicked it knowing the refs wernt paying attention and especially the defending team. In no ways whatsoever was that considered "trickery" or fair. Oh well it happened and that's that. You have to know that the officiating wasn't the best and that's the honest truth.
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I don't totally disagree with what you are saying, but do have a couple of minor clarifications.
The PW players actively involved in the play, taking the kick, weren't at all focused on the refs, they were focused on the defense. They did not exploit anything related to the refs not paying attention, but the defensive disorganization.
Play the video without sound, since obviously you appear to be hanging up on the "trickery" statement made by the media person.
As for the officiating, I don't totally disagree with that either, as there were a couple of times I thought different calls could/should have been made for both teams, but it appears that many are making their assessment of the game based on this one play. This particular play, from a different view:
Ball is bouncing around in the box, collected by a CN defender, keeper calls him off......rather than step directly away, he pushed the ball towards the keeper, which was the intentional pass back. Ball did not go more than 2 feet or so, but it was intentionally played by the defending team to the keeper. So yes, I agree with the call, which set up the free kick.
At first the person taking the tap for Pinewood set up on the left side of the ball, setting up most likely a kick to the right. Performs the fake. There was no discussion from the ref at this point. The CN keeper who was positioned to the right of the ball, jumped, and then the rest of the wall jumped. The PP player who actually took the kick, decided it was going to go left, and had the tapping player move to the right of the ball, which when he did so, the wall jumped again. At this point the discussions started, ref telling CN to stay back and PP to put the ball in play. If you just look at the video, you can see this point when the player that ultimately took the kick, was focused on the ball, but then turned to the ref. PP took the kick.
The referees were in good positions, ball and play between them. The center ref had blown the whistle to restart the play after setting the wall initially. The discussions by the referee TO BOTH TEAMS was to restart play. For him to intervene at any point would require some kind of infraction to have occurred. Yellow to the keeper or entire CN team for jumping in, or yellow to the PP kicker combination for delaying the restart. As HTP pointed out which you said after you totally agreed, there really wasn't anything that should have lead the referee to either of those actions. In this particular play, the actions by the refs were probably the best they could have been.
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The ref wasnt distracting BOTH TEAMS...comet and the theatrics u were talking about were the instructions of a ref. The entire wall was looking at the ref while pinewood kicked it
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Didn't say the ref was "distracting" both teams. Said he was talking to both teams. One teams players paid attention to the task at hand, playing the soccer game, and one didn't.
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congrats to Pinewood, 6th straight is quite an accomplishment. No doubt CN had the potential to be state champions but PW was the better team ON THAT DAY...and any other day too  . Any post in this forum is bound to be biased so the arguments really don't prove anything.
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Both teams comet? If he was talking to both teams then shouldnt they both listen to what he was saying instead of one team disobeying him leaving the other team attentive to him or as i like to say "distracted". if one team was playing while the ref was insrtucting them then it should be called back and as u said in ur comment thats exactly what happend. thanks comet
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ihave never seen pinewood play or know any of their players or coaches but obviously their doing something right, i think they should leave scisa and go to 2A to be challenged more like bishop england
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If he was talking to both teams then shouldnt they both listen to what he was saying instead of one team disobeying him leaving the other team attentive to him or as i like to say "distracted".
As someone said above, this argument is rather pointless.
Absolutely, both teams should heed the direction from the referee. One team did, the other did not. Where you and I are disagreeing is on which one "obeyed" him. The kicking team was being instructed to put the ball in play, and they did. That team was attentive to the referees direction, not disobedient, the other team was not attentive to his direction and were what you are choosing to call distracted. Of course if they weren't arguing with the referee, and heeded his direction, they wouldn't have been what you are choosing to call distracted.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Ok lets get off this. Bad refs... cheap goal. but game over KO
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This will never be let go. It's always going to remain a VERY controversial subject.
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