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Doesn't mean anything....yall need to get off of 4As **ts for a while to realize there are a lot of good players in the other classifications....I'm gonna let you use some of my adlibs from my adlib box!
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One thing to consider in this mix, is that some players do not play their club position in high school when you talk about perhaps some players not "shining". They play were they are needed due to their skill level. If we put some NW players out of their "normal" position and put them on center defense, could they play it well, yes, but could they play it as well as perhaps those who play it year round?
NW was fortunate enough to have 8 players that play together almost 12 months a year for over 5 years now. They know where to move to space, where to receive the ball and and generally sense how plays are developing. That is a hard thing to teach to 22 HS players who come together in January and break up in May and play at different age and skill levels.
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I said it was a great year and you yourself pointed me to the weak schedule. I agree that your location makes it difficult to schedule quality opponents. You may want to consider schduling another tournament with tougher opponents to lend a little credence to the schedule. As to your list:
1. Players listed are not all from Northwestern please don't associate me with the NWHS love fest.
2. Playing 4A soccer was used as an example of the weak defense encountered in 2A. Thus the stats may not tell the whole truth. I agree that students shouldn't be penalized for where their parents live. That is why I asked about his club experience. If he played it would have been a more even playing field to make comparisons.
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4. Again used as an example of the weak defenses encountered in 2A. Thus the stats may not tell the whole truth.
Back to club...you may live in economically depressed areas but most if not all the clubs have scholarship programs in place for just these type of kids. If he is that talanted he should at least be at tryouts for the various clubs coaches to evaluate.
The club vs. High School soccer has been debated numerous times on this website. It would seem to me that top caliber players would have the ability to play post their high school careers. I would expect that the majority of college soccer players played club ball. My son plays 3A and in every instance that I can recall any opposing players that impressed me also played club at some level.
Scholarship programs don't mean a lot when one has to drive a half-hour to get to the nearest club. That does not even include the trips to tournaments. Our kids are forced to play in rec leagues many of which are in NC which is not too far up the road for us.
As far as the schedule goes, we are playing in some quality tournaments next season. The Airport Invitational being one of them. My point is this, there are quality players in all four classifications. You can't just say a kid is not good enough because he plays in 2A.
I'll give you that most of the better players in the state play club ball, however, that does not mean they are automatically better than kids that don't.
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i have been arounf a long time and have watched lots of soccer all over this great land of ours. high school soccer does not hold a candle to club soccer. if a kid aint playing club and is just playing high school, he cannot progress nearly as fast as club players. the competition is akin to a 1a school trying to compete with nhs. nhs and even irmo are exceptions as most of their players are premier level players. college coaches rarely attend high school games but show up in droves for club tournaments. very few college coaches have heqrd of northwestern, but most of them know dsc 90 green which boasts allstar players from 3 states. kid might be a good 1 04 2 a player, but i doubt he cpould play with the big boys. if he wants to improve, he can find a way to play. we took one of our sons 90 minutes away to play on a better club team for 3 years, so it can be done. u barking up the wrong tree, chick.
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Chick,
I certainly sympathize with your location. It does appear to limit his/your options. But 30 minutes is nothing compared to what I have seen some parents doing.
Glad to see your in the Airport tourney. I look forward to watching this superstar at this tourney.
There will always be an exception to the rule. I think you are missing the main point though which is that statistics in the SCHSL don't mean a whole lot IMHO. Some coaches let their stars score 5, 6, 7 or more goals in a single game whereas other (respectable) coaches will pull there star after a hat trick if the game is not close.
I am certainly not trying to disparage this youngs man's accomplishments but the other players listed have many more credentials than just one year of 2A soccer in what has been historically a weak soccer state at both the High School and club levels.
What did he do last year or his freshman year?
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I certainly sympathize with your location. It does appear to limit his/your options. But 30 minutes is nothing compared to what I have seen some parents doing.
Glad to see your in the Airport tourney. I look forward to watching this superstar at this tourney.
There will always be an exception to the rule. I think you are missing the main point though which is that statistics in the SCHSL don't mean a whole lot IMHO. Some coaches let their stars score 5, 6, 7 or more goals in a single game whereas other (respectable) coaches will pull there star after a hat trick if the game is not close.
I am certainly not trying to disparage this youngs man's accomplishments but the other players listed have many more credentials than just one year of 2A soccer in what has been historically a weak soccer state at both the High School and club levels.
What did he do last year or his freshman year?
First of all I don't let him score 5, 6 or 7 goals in a match. I think he scored six once early in the season against a 3-A team who made the playoffs the year before. We have about 12-13 kids who can play, if I take him out of a match, the drop off is dramatic. Keep in mind he was injured midway through the season and had a stretch of three games in which he did not score a goal. One of those matches, he played goal and recorded a shut out.
Second, club is not an option for this kid, there are things that club scholarships don't pay for...namely gas and meals. He simply does not have the money to play.
Last season, he scored 16 goals and had 12 assists which puts him at 64 goals in two years. Not too shabby even in the lowly 2A competition.
We'll play in the Airport Tourney and see what happens. I never said the kid was the greatest player in the state, I simply put forth his name for the discussion. I realize now it's impossible for a kid who does not play club and is not in 4A from "traditionally weak" soccer state does not merit consideration for the "dream team". I will withdraw his name from consideration.
Coach Chickering
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Taylorbabe, excellent post! I will not argue with your statements or conclusions. I was merely trying to point out to those in a NWHS love fest that there is a wider net to be cast when considering the talent going into a "super" team. A blanket statement saying players are not upto the same level as other players is a weak argument. You have done a better job of making my point than I did! Thank you.
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well duh there are more good players than just at northwestern, the thread is about a super team of sc, im just saying hey a team that goes 24-0 and wins a national championship sounds like a super team to me! and as for fort mill, the only player i would put on an allstar team would be TV he is a great player no question. But VanEtten!? come on one of the most overrated goal keepers or maybe he just decides not to play against northwestern in the 2-0 game this year the only close game (in score) in the past 2 years his defenders made more off the line clearances than he made saves his punts arent great and neither are his goal kicks definately not "super team" material if he cant show up to play the best teams
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Yes we know what you are saying NWHS, NWHS, NWHS. It's ok to be proud of your school and program, what everyone else is saying is that they are good but that there are lots of other good players out there too. If you take ENZO away NWHS is still good but they drop off quite a bit in goals scored.
When you start the whole fantasy team thing people are going to want to see players from across the board because they know a couple of great players on one team can make everyone else look better. Many great players play on teams that never win it all and sometimes do not win much, that does not make them lesser players just like being a player on a championship team make some players great just cause they were on a team with a few superstars. NWHS is a team of many good players, a few great players, and at least one superstar, but there are many other good, some great, and a few superstars out there too.
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