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I see that the Bridge U14 girls teams have been posted. They have a team listed as Premier and a team listed as Challenge.
Does anyone know what league these two teams will play in?
Also, when does SCYSA start to list what teams are registered for what leagues?
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Their Premier team must be playing Challenge, they have no Premier league spot.
If their Premier is playing Challenge I would assume their Challenge team is playing Classic. Does this mean they will have a Classic team playing Rec?
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Their Premier team must be playing Challenge, they have no Premier league spot.
If their Premier is playing Challenge I would assume their Challenge team is playing Classic. Does this mean they will have a Classic team playing Rec?
Good marketing.
Well, that is what I heard. That Premier was going to play challenge and the Challenge team would play classic.
I found that hard to believe so figured I would post here and find out.
My daughter is not on this team but she has some friends who went with Bridge rather than the team she was on. More just curiosity than anything else.
Seen alot written the last week or so about the program so just wondered what the reasoning in the team names and where they would play.
I guess SCYSA would not care, but how can a team called Premier play Challenge and a team called Challenge play Classic. Doesn't make much sense to me.
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Boy... I have to tell you I cannot believe this question comes up over and over again.... IT IS A NAME, THAT IS IT... They could be called Florence Recreation Soccer 95 girls and as long as they win the CHALLENGE State Cup they would have a spot on the premier league.
it is meaningless to base a team's place on their name alone...Heck I could have the Red rowdies Premier team and win the American Cup (Rec Cup).
It all fals under marketing.....
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Boy... I have to tell you I cannot believe this question comes up over and over again.... IT IS A NAME, THAT IS IT... They could be called Florence Recreation Soccer 95 girls and as long as they win the CHALLENGE State Cup they would have a spot on the premier league.
it is meaningless to base a team's place on their name alone...Heck I could have the Red rowdies Premier team and win the American Cup (Rec Cup).
It all fals under marketing.....
I UNDERSTAND IT IS JUST A NAME. And your last line sums it up. It is for marketing only, but some of us are entitled to have the opinion that it is a little silly. Chill.
Besides, I still have not heard what division they are playing in. For most clubs/teams if they called a team Challenge, they would play in the Challenge league. If they called a team Classic they would play in the Classic league.
So, when I heard they were putting the teams into Challenge and Classic, I posted on here to confirm. Don't think it is a major offense to state an opinion and ask a question.
By the way, they don't have to win the state Challenge league to play R3PL, they only have to be in the finals. And they very well may do that. Personally, I would feel funny having my Daughter play on a team named Premier when I knew they were not in the R3PL.
It is a marketing ploy, but doesn't that some something about them and the parents they marketed to?
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The DOC can probably answer your questions..Contact info is listed on the Bridge website
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I don't know if you are honestly seeking information or busting on the Bridge, but your same argument can be made at MPSC. They have "Elite" teams that are not playing premier. Is that just for marketing also?
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I don't know if you are honestly seeking information or busting on the Bridge, but your same argument can be made at MPSC. They have "Elite" teams that are not playing premier. Is that just for marketing also?
I think that is a bit silly too for MPSC to do that. I never said MPSC should calling their teams Elite if they are playing in the Challenge League. As far as I am concerned Challenge is challenge - period. Calling them Elite or Premier is a farse if they are not playing in the Premier League. I don't know why MPSC called those teams Elite, but can't say I agree with that either. But I believe that MPSC called their second teams in the same age group Classic. I think that makes it obvious to anyone looking that the teams titled Elite or Challenge will play in the challenge league and the teams labeled Classic will play in the classic league.
Bridge has chosen to name their teams Premier and Challenge. Since they can't play in the R3PL it is kinda hard to know what leagues either of these teams are playing in. For all we know they are going to play the Premier team in tournaments only. That is what SAA did years ago. My question was a simple question for clarification - it's not the cold war and I can't believe it is a guarded secret.
When Bridge made their announcment a month or so ago, they came to this board to do so. Can't have it both ways. Can't make announcments and talk about the changes in their program on a public board, and then not answer the questions asked.
It's not a difficult question and it should not be a big deal. I don't have a kid playing at their club so I kinda doubt they are gonna answer any questions I have.
I have a question, simple to answer and am posting it on the same board where they announced their plans. Shouldn't be a big deal to anyone, including them.
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My only and simple question is what leagues are the two teams going to play in. My only reason for raising the question on the names "Premier" and "Challenge" is that it is hard to tell from those names exactly what league/level of play the two teams plan to be in for next fall. It's a simple question - nothing sinister about it.
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I don't know if you are honestly seeking information or busting on the Bridge, but your same argument can be made at MPSC. They have "Elite" teams that are not playing premier. Is that just for marketing also?
Okay, guys, give it a rest, eh??? Here we go again with the constant bantering between these two clubs.... As Futbol(Soccer) pointed out and illustrated, IT IS ONLY A NAME. 1976's point about the word "premier" being used in the team name leading to confusion about actually playing in the "premier" league could apply to several of Coastal United FC's (formerly Bridge FA) teams now, as many of their teams are now using "premier" in their name. As for MPSC using the word "elite" behind some of their team names, there is no "elite" league, so the confusion/argument isn't as great.......I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but it is part of their team name.....how long is it going to get to get past this one? 
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I don't know if you are honestly seeking information or busting on the Bridge, but your same argument can be made at MPSC. They have "Elite" teams that are not playing premier. Is that just for marketing also?
Okay, guys, give it a rest, eh??? Here we go again with the constant bantering between these two clubs.... As Futbol(Soccer) pointed out and illustrated, IT IS ONLY A NAME. 1976's point about the word "premier" being used in the team name leading to confusion about actually playing in the "premier" league could apply to several of Coastal United FC's (formerly Bridge FA) teams now, as many of their teams are now using "premier" in their name. As for MPSC using the word "elite" behind some of their team names, there is no "elite" league, so the confusion/argument isn't as great.......I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but it is part of their team name.....how long is it going to get to get past this one?
Because my original question in this entire thread was
WHAT WILL THE LEVEL OF PLAY OR LEAGUES BE FOR EACH OF THESE TEAMS. ARE THEY BOTH PLAYING CHALLENGE OR IS THE PREMIER TEAM PLAYING CHALLENGE AND THE CHALLENGE TEAM PLAYING CLASSIC.
Should be a simple question to answer.
PLEASE GO BACK AND READ MY ORIGINAL POST.
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I don't know if you are honestly seeking information or busting on the Bridge, but your same argument can be made at MPSC. They have "Elite" teams that are not playing premier. Is that just for marketing also?
Okay, guys, give it a rest, eh??? Here we go again with the constant bantering between these two clubs.... As Futbol(Soccer) pointed out and illustrated, IT IS ONLY A NAME. 1976's point about the word "premier" being used in the team name leading to confusion about actually playing in the "premier" league could apply to several of Coastal United FC's (formerly Bridge FA) teams now, as many of their teams are now using "premier" in their name. As for MPSC using the word "elite" behind some of their team names, there is no "elite" league, so the confusion/argument isn't as great.......I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but it is part of their team name.....how long is it going to get to get past this one?
Because my original question in this entire thread was
WHAT WILL THE LEVEL OF PLAY OR LEAGUES BE FOR EACH OF THESE TEAMS. ARE THEY BOTH PLAYING CHALLENGE OR IS THE PREMIER TEAM PLAYING CHALLENGE AND THE CHALLENGE TEAM PLAYING CLASSIC.
Should be a simple question to answer.
PLEASE GO BACK AND READ MY ORIGINAL POST.
I concur that it is a simple question, but I can't answer it, as I am not a coach for either team. I also don't have a daughter playing for either team as well, so I have no insight to help you with an answer. There are several scenarios that could take play: Their U14 Premier team could play U14 Challenge in the fall and the U14 Challenge could play U14 Classic OR the U14 Premier team might choose to play up and play U15 Classic or even Challenge and have the U14 Challenge play U14 Challenge............maybe they don't even know that yet until they actually get their players together to play as a team. With three clubs merging into one, several of those players who have never met each other before will now be playing together as a team. Applications for the league aren't due until later in the summer.........are you going to be able to hold off that long for an answer???
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I don't know if you are honestly seeking information or busting on the Bridge, but your same argument can be made at MPSC. They have "Elite" teams that are not playing premier. Is that just for marketing also?
Okay, guys, give it a rest, eh??? Here we go again with the constant bantering between these two clubs.... As Futbol(Soccer) pointed out and illustrated, IT IS ONLY A NAME. 1976's point about the word "premier" being used in the team name leading to confusion about actually playing in the "premier" league could apply to several of Coastal United FC's (formerly Bridge FA) teams now, as many of their teams are now using "premier" in their name. As for MPSC using the word "elite" behind some of their team names, there is no "elite" league, so the confusion/argument isn't as great.......I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but it is part of their team name.....how long is it going to get to get past this one?
Because my original question in this entire thread was
WHAT WILL THE LEVEL OF PLAY OR LEAGUES BE FOR EACH OF THESE TEAMS. ARE THEY BOTH PLAYING CHALLENGE OR IS THE PREMIER TEAM PLAYING CHALLENGE AND THE CHALLENGE TEAM PLAYING CLASSIC.
Should be a simple question to answer.
PLEASE GO BACK AND READ MY ORIGINAL POST.
I concur that it is a simple question, but I can't answer it, as I am not a coach for either team. I also don't have a daughter playing for either team as well, so I have no insight to help you with an answer. There are several scenarios that could take play: Their U14 Premier team could play U14 Challenge in the fall and the U14 Challenge could play U14 Classic OR the U14 Premier team might choose to play up and play U15 Classic or even Challenge and have the U14 Challenge play U14 Challenge............maybe they don't even know that yet until they actually get their players together to play as a team. With three clubs merging into one, several of those players who have never met each other before will now be playing together as a team. Applications for the league aren't due until later in the summer.........are you going to be able to hold off that long for an answer???
If you don't have a player on the team then you would probably not be the person to answer. So you don't need to worry about trying to answer.
My question would be for someone familiar with the teams who perhaps would know the answer. I would think someone out there has an idea of what level is going to be played. I don't know why all the grief over a simple question.
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It seems the only reason you would care what level these teams are playing in the fall is you are scared of the competition( and no i do not have a daughter on the team).No one knows at this time in any age group what teams are playing where. Any team posted right now for any club can play challenge,classic or up an age. Let's wait and see.
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It seems the only reason you would care what level these teams are playing in the fall is you are scared of the competition( and no i do not have a daughter on the team).No one knows at this time in any age group what teams are playing where. Any team posted right now for any club can play challenge,classic or up an age. Let's wait and see.
Possibly... or more likely a rival club that lost players to Bridge/Coastal and is now trying to fabricate anything they can in order to send out an email to those former players' parents warning them of all the things that are wrong with the new club they've chosen...wait, that already happened.
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unbelievable, i dont understand why people who dont have a child on the team give a rats bottom about this stuff. just to end this thread, my child is on the "premier team" which is by the way only a name. both teams will be playing in the challenge league. hopefully now all the parents from mpsc and all the other clubs can sleep well tonight. can we move on please.
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HSS1976,
Where is your kid playing?
Please see below, I went to the scysa page to get this info.
PMSL Fall 2006
U13 GIRLS CLASSIC Pts GP W L T GF GF4 GA GD4 TE
Aiken Fireballs (SC) 45 12 11 0 1 52 36 2 35 0
Coast FA 93 Girls Red (NC) 41 12 10 1 1 77 38 4 37 0
MPSC 93 Girls White (SC) 33 12 8 3 1 45 33 19 18 0
CESA 94 Girls Premier (SC) 31 12 7 2 3 32 26 5 21 0
Bridge FA 94 Girls Gold (SC) 29 11 7 3 1 27 20 16 9 0
LCSC Ice (SC) 28 12 7 5 0 34 25 24 3 0
CESA 93 Girls Classic (SC) 21 12 5 6 1 23 17 15 5 0
CFC 93 Girls (SC) 21 12 5 6 1 25 21 30 -3 0
SSC 93 Girls Blue (SC) 13 10 3 6 1 12 12 29 -13 0
CRSA Rapid Girls Red (SC) 12 11 3 8 0 12 10 29 -14 0
NACS Lady Kicks '93 (SC) 4 10 1 9 0 12 7 50 -29 0
TCSC Stars (SC) 1 10 0 9 1 6 6 73 -33 0
FSA Florence Strikers (SC)
Hope you can ask the other club that named there team premier and played them in the classic league the same question? Let's move on or you can contact the people in charge of the Bridge.
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After viewing all your other post about anything relating to the Bridge it appears you have an axe to grind with someone at the Bridge. I'll say you're an antagonist and you are good at it too. lol
HSS1976 you got caught with that bait.
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I've got no dog in any youth fight, but here's some food for thought:
As far as I can remember, no one had teams named "Premier" before the Premier League was started, regardless of what league they played in.
Course, we all usually had our own team names back then too, not just MPSC 93 Girls or CESA 92 Girls, but MPSC Ice, Fury, Impulse, Aiken Fire, JIYSC Blaze, etc.
I've got no qualms with clubs that name their top team Elite because if it's the top team in that club, it's the elite one for them. Colour coding gets confusing between clubs, but no issue there.
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unbelievable, i dont understand why people who dont have a child on the team give a rats bottom about this stuff. just to end this thread, my child is on the "premier team" which is by the way only a name. both teams will be playing in the challenge league. hopefully now all the parents from mpsc and all the other clubs can sleep well tonight. can we move on please.
Thank you for the answer. I did not think that asking what league each team would play in would be that big a secret or a deal.
This could have been moved on much earlier in the day if someone had answered with the information you just did.
My question got answered, it was a simple question with a simple answer. Alot of people got worked up over nothing.
If the parents on the team are happy calling themselves Premier, fine. That is their opinion and I respect it. It would be nice if some of the posters respected that some people may not agree with calling a team Premier when they are not in R3PL. Who knows, they may have a great season and win a spot there for next year. If they do, more power to them. I wish them well. My question was to clarify where the teams would play, that's all. No evil intent, just wondering.
And for the record, had some discussions with a parent who was told that one of the teams would play classic. I found that a little confusing so I figured I would find out if the rumor was true. What was so wrong with that???
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After viewing all your other post about anything relating to the Bridge it appears you have an axe to grind with someone at the Bridge. I'll say you're an antagonist and you are good at it too. lol
HSS1976 you got caught with that bait.
Looking back you are probably right. i really came just to find out a simple answer to a simple question. I did get goaded into offering my opinion on the naming issue, and my original intent was really just some clarification.
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The interesting thing I see in this list is the fact that no team from the York and surrounding counties is playing at that level. Funny an area with such strong HS teams has no upper level club teams? Wonder what the table would look like if they could get thier act together up here!
(OH, sorry for the interuption we will now resume your regular thread!)
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Playing at what level Chief?
This is a dumb thread. There is no correlation whatsoever between name and level of play.
Clubs typically name their teams based on their own hierarchy. WHether the top team is "Premier",or "Elite", or "Gold" or "Green"or "Blue".....is absolutely irrelevant.
It is simply a means of designating/separating "A" teams from "B" teams.
And while we're on the subject of misleading names and marketing manipulation.......how dare the folks at Bridge and CUFC name their new joint venture "South Carolina United".
Jeez.......how presumptious!!!!!
tongue in cheek......
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Chief....there are a handful of team from York County playing at the highest level within SC. With the passing of the DSC team of Enzo and Alex and Tyler, etc.....no one if playing R3PL this year.
However, R3PL seems to be going the way of the dinaosaur also, given the rise of the USSF Academy. The best players are there, or heading there.
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Where is your kid playing?
Please see below, I went to the scysa page to get this info.
PMSL Fall 2006
U13 GIRLS CLASSIC Pts GP W L T GF GF4 GA GD4 TE
Aiken Fireballs (SC) 45 12 11 0 1 52 36 2 35 0
Coast FA 93 Girls Red (NC) 41 12 10 1 1 77 38 4 37 0
MPSC 93 Girls White (SC) 33 12 8 3 1 45 33 19 18 0
CESA 94 Girls Premier (SC) 31 12 7 2 3 32 26 5 21 0
Bridge FA 94 Girls Gold (SC) 29 11 7 3 1 27 20 16 9 0
LCSC Ice (SC) 28 12 7 5 0 34 25 24 3 0
CESA 93 Girls Classic (SC) 21 12 5 6 1 23 17 15 5 0
CFC 93 Girls (SC) 21 12 5 6 1 25 21 30 -3 0
SSC 93 Girls Blue (SC) 13 10 3 6 1 12 12 29 -13 0
CRSA Rapid Girls Red (SC) 12 11 3 8 0 12 10 29 -14 0
NACS Lady Kicks '93 (SC) 4 10 1 9 0 12 7 50 -29 0
TCSC Stars (SC) 1 10 0 9 1 6 6 73 -33 0
FSA Florence Strikers (SC)
Hope you can ask the other club that named there team premier and played them in the classic league the same question? Let's move on or you can contact the people in charge of the Bridge.
Watch how easy this is. You are asking a simple question. The answer is that the club you are asking about typically plays their u-12 premier team in the U-13 classic league in the fall and the U-13 challenge league in the spring. Sometimes the U-12s will skip the classic league and play U-13 challenge both seasons.
See, simple question. Simple answer.
Here's another simple question. If you look at the above table, you will see Bridge 94 Gold in the same league. What was the reasoning for apparently changing the team designations from Gold and Red, to Premier and Challenge?
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"how dare the folks at Bridge and CUFC name their new joint venture 'South Carolina United'."
Consider the source, and trend...
When Newton Heath Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway FC changed their name to Manchester United (the bigg daddy United) in 1902, Manchester City already existed and had with that name since 1894.
See how well the naming convention united this City. Why would anyone expect anything better? At least Newton Heath only tried to unite a City and not half a State.
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Are there any SC leagues for u13-14 classic & challenge to play in besides the PMSL & SCSCL?
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If you look back CESA called their 94 girls team "Premier" before the won state cup and played in the Premier league.
I know that the new CUFC 94 premier team will play challenge this fall. They were called Bridge FA 94 Gold, and with the name and color changes they will now be called CUFC 94 Premier. Hope this answers your question.
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Chief....there are a handful of team from York County playing at the highest level within SC. With the passing of the DSC team of Enzo and Alex and Tyler, etc.....no one if playing R3PL this year.
However, R3PL seems to be going the way of the dinaosaur also, given the rise of the USSF Academy. The best players are there, or heading there.
I agree your are correct, sort of, I was talking about girls playing, note the table was only girls team. My point was more about the girls teams not boys. However I do wonder what would happen if NC changed their boys season to spring too.... Would we lose even more boys?? (there are some boys in Charlotte clubs who do not play school ball because they play high level club in NC).
Sorry if I gave the impression I was cutting the DSC boys out! Just imagine where we would be if DSC and the other clubs could work thing out.... ahh but that is another thread!
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Virtually all of the better York County girls are in Charlotte with the exception of Alex Ramsey. Pretty safe guess is that if SC-NC seasons were aligned you'd see the same things with the boys.
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Daddy, you say "...R3PL seems to be going the way of the dinaosaur also, given the rise of the USSF Academy. The best players are there, or heading there" ...and all is quiet on the northwestern front. But, if I would've said it, parker/mak and loc dog would've gone ballistic.
What is up with that ?!?!
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Playing at what level Chief?
This is a dumb thread. There is no correlation whatsoever between name and level of play.
Clubs typically name their teams based on their own hierarchy. WHether the top team is "Premier",or "Elite", or "Gold" or "Green"or "Blue".....is absolutely irrelevant.
It is simply a means of designating/separating "A" teams from "B" teams.
And while we're on the subject of misleading names and marketing manipulation.......how dare the folks at Bridge and CUFC name their new joint venture "South Carolina United".
Jeez.......how presumptious!!!!!
tongue in cheek......
I just want to point out once again that the purpose of the thread was to determine what league the two teams from Bridge would be playing in. The only reason the team names were brought into the conversation was to discuss if the names gave clarity as to whether or not the teams were playing in Challenge or Classic.
I heard they were playing the Premier team in Challenge and the Challenge team in Classic. I think it is understandable that this could be confusing to some people. Plus, since it was a rumor, I thought I would try and find out if the rumor was true or simply a rumor that was not true. No eveil intent, just asking for clarification.
The original post asked where the teams would be playing. A parent from the Premier teams was kind enough to answer and he indicated that both teams would play in the Challenge league this fall.
That was really and end to the information requested.
I know I got caught offering my opinion on naming, but it is just that, my opinion. Doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong, just stating my viewpoint.
Anyway, now that the question was answered (and I realize that things can always change - it's the nature of youth soccer) I imagine we can move on.
Thanks for everyone input.
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Daddy, you say "...R3PL seems to be going the way of the dinaosaur also, given the rise of the USSF Academy. The best players are there, or heading there" ...and all is quiet on the northwestern front. But, if I would've said it, parker/mak and loc dog would've gone ballistic.
What is up with that ?!?!
I think its just that my natural tact and diplomacy is so apparent to all!
What if.......CESA went Academy? What would be left in NC-SC-GA? R3PL would be better than the SCSCL......but no way could anyone say it was the highest level of play in the region. Well guess what? Outside of CESA.......we're already there. Not a slap at anyone. It is simply reality. CESA is a great club with great teams. Academy or no....they are what they are. But just as "no man is an island, unto himself...", there is a point that I believe CESA is fast approaching, where if they want to stay at that level......they will need to go Academy.
They've been able to pull kids from all over by selling themselves as highest level of play. That will cease....as people see that they no longer are competing at that level.
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Big, at the risk of killing mac and/or loc, I gotta say that I agree with you completely, except that I don't believe cesa will even be given an opportunity to join academy anytime in the foreseeable future.
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I think CESA is one of the top clubs in the region, if not country. I really do (and I have no kids there).
Very, very well managed, strategic thinking, classical healthy pyramid with all levels of soccer under their control, as well as fields. They are a smaller version of CASL, IMO.
For some reason they haven't gone Academy. But my guess is when they want to......USSF will make it happen.
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BD.... I think it would be interesting hear why your kid does not play for one of the many teams available at CESA?
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I thought this thread was about Bridge.
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