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For SCYS seeding purposes, can anyone tell me what the tie break procedures are for State Cup? Is head to head first then goal differential?
We currently have Three teams with the same amount of points.
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39. League Standings:
Only qualifying matches are used to determine a team’s league standings. Three (3) points are awarded for a win, one (1) point for a tie, and zero (0) for a loss. A forfeit will be treated as a loss. A team ready to play whose competitor forfeits shall be awarded a win (3 points). No points will be allowed for any team forfeiting (0 points). In any case, where both teams forfeit, 0 points will be
awarded. Wins, losses and forfeits will be determined by the League. The team with the highest points percentage will be ranked number 1 and the second highest points percentage will be ranked number 2 in league standings, and so on.
At season’s end, teams will be ranked within the league by their point percentage.
Example: A team plays 10 games with a record of 5-3-2. Five wins for 15 points, three losses for 0 points, and two ties for 2 points = 17 total points, or a .567 points percentage.
17 total points will be divided by the total maximum points 30.(10 games x 3 points = 30 pts.) Winning percentage = .567
In the case of ties within a division the following tie breaking procedures will be used for qualifying matches only:
1. Winner of head-to-head competition. (This criteria is not used in more than two teams are tied. See below.)
2. Most wins.
3. Team with greatest net goal difference (NGD) which his computed as “goals for” minus “goals against” with a maximum
of 3 NGD per game.
4. Team with the least goals against (there is NO limit on the number of goals that will be counted to determine this
tiebreaker).
5. Team with the most goals (maximum of goals per game).
6. Coin toss.
More than two teams tied:
If more than two (2) teams are tied, the sequence will start at 39.2 and will be followed until a team is eliminated. When a team is eliminated, the remaining teams will then restart the sequence at 39.2 above, until the tie is broken.
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Below should be the pairings for the Challenge Cup first round. The only division that is incomplete is the U18 girls since there is still one game score not reported. If you see a mistake in this, please feel free to post it.
U15 Girls:
1-CESA 94 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 94 Red
2-Carolina FC vs. 7-Columbia United 94 Elite
3-Coastal United 94 Premier vs. 6-DSC 94 Lady Green
4-CESA 94 Challenge vs. 5-Columbia United 94 Palmetto
U16 Girls:
1-CESA 93 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 93 Red
2-Coastal United 93 Premier vs. 7-Coast FA 93
3-Columbia United 93 Elite vs. 6-MPSC 93 Elite
4-CESA 93 Challenge vs. 5-Columbia United 93 Palmetto
U17 Girls:
1-CESA 92 Premier vs. 8-CRSA Sky92
2-Coastal United 92 Premier vs. 7-Coastal United Challenge
3-Columbia United 92 Elite vs. 6-Columbia United 92 Palmetto
4-Sandhills United Lightning vs. 5-CESA 92 Challenge
U18 Girls:
1-CESA 91 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 91 Red
2-Columbia United 91 Elite vs. 7-Coastal United 91 Premier or CASA 91 Orange
3-Carolina FC vs. 6-CESA 91 Challenge or Coastal United 91 Premier
4-MPSC 91 Elite vs. 5-CESA 91 Challenge or CASA 91 Orange
U15 Boys:
1-CESA 94 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls Boys Red
2-MPSC Premier vs. 7-Carolina FC 94 Boys
3-Columbia United 94 Elite vs. 6-CASA 94B Orange
4-CESA 94 Challenge vs 5-Coastal United 94 Challenge
U16 Boys:
1-CESA 93 Premier vs. 8-Carolina FC 93
2-Columbia United 93 Elite vs. 7-Coast FA 93 Hurricanes
3-MPSC 93 Elite vs. 6-CSSC 93 Elite
4-Columbia United 93 Palmetto vs. 5-CESA 93 Challenge
U17 Boys:
1-CESA 92 Premier vs. 8- Carolina FC 92
2-Coastal United 92 Premier vs. 7-FSCG 93 Sharks
3-Columbia United 92 Elite vs. 6-LCSC United 92 White
4-CESA 92B Challenge vs. 5-CSSC 92 Elite
U18 Boys:
1-CESA 91 Premier vs. 8-CESA 91 Challenge
2-Columbia United 91 Elite vs. 7-SSC U18 Challenge
3-DISA 91 Arsenal vs. 6-Columbia United 91 Palmetto
4-LCSC United 91 White vs. 5-DSC 91 Green
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FYI. The tie breaking procedures RECCOS posted are from page 100 of the 2009/2010 SCYSA Administrative Manual
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Sixteen clubs are represented among the 64 teams that have qualified for the Challenge Cup first round. Here are the number of teams per club:
CESA 16
Columbia United 13
Coastal United 7
Carolina FC 5
MPSC 4
SC Bulls 4
CASA 2
Coast FA 2
CSSC 2
DSC 2
LCSC 2
CRSA 1
DISA 1
FSCG 1
Sandhills United 1
SSC 1
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Not only does CESA have 16 teams that qualified, they have all eight top seeds.
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Any idea when 1st round schedules will be posted?
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Any idea when 1st round schedules will be posted?
Scores were supposed to be reported by 9PM yesterday and all but one game score is posted. The games are scheduled to be played on December 5 at the home of the higher seeded team. Alhough sometimes teams will agree to play during the week before Dec 5, generally only the game times and which specific field in the home team's town are left to be decided. Not sure when these will be posted but it really should not take long now. Of course the Thanksgiving Holiday may cause a few days delay.
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SCSCL State Cup resecheduled WHAT????
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SCSCL State Cup resecheduled WHAT????
I haven't heard of it being rescheduled. This year's Challenge Cup first round games have always been scheduled for Dec 5 at the home of the higher seeded team. The final four is Dec 12-13 in Rock Hill. Dec 19-20 are rain dates.
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Does anyone foresee any competitive first round games aside from all the 4v5 games? Any interesting matchups to look for in the semis? Quote:
U15 Girls:
1-CESA 94 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 94 Red
2-Carolina FC vs. 7-Columbia United 94 Elite
3-Coastal United 94 Premier vs. 6-DSC 94 Lady Green
4-CESA 94 Challenge vs. 5-Columbia United 94 Palmetto
U16 Girls:
1-CESA 93 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 93 Red
2-Coastal United 93 Premier vs. 7-Coast FA 93
3-Columbia United 93 Elite vs. 6-MPSC 93 Elite
4-CESA 93 Challenge vs. 5-Columbia United 93 Palmetto
U17 Girls:
1-CESA 92 Premier vs. 8-CRSA Sky92
2-Coastal United 92 Premier vs. 7-Coastal United Challenge
3-Columbia United 92 Elite vs. 6-Columbia United 92 Palmetto
4-Sandhills United Lightning vs. 5-CESA 92 Challenge
U18 Girls:
1-CESA 91 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 91 Red
2-Columbia United 91 Elite vs. 7-Coastal United 91 Premier or CASA 91 Orange
3-Carolina FC vs. 6-CESA 91 Challenge or Coastal United 91 Premier
4-MPSC 91 Elite vs. 5-CESA 91 Challenge or CASA 91 Orange
U15 Boys:
1-CESA 94 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls Boys Red
2-MPSC Premier vs. 7-Carolina FC 94 Boys
3-Columbia United 94 Elite vs. 6-CASA 94B Orange
4-CESA 94 Challenge vs 5-Coastal United 94 Challenge
U16 Boys:
1-CESA 93 Premier vs. 8-Carolina FC 93
2-Columbia United 93 Elite vs. 7-Coast FA 93 Hurricanes
3-MPSC 93 Elite vs. 6-CSSC 93 Elite
4-Columbia United 93 Palmetto vs. 5-CESA 93 Challenge
U17 Boys:
1-CESA 92 Premier vs. 8- Carolina FC 92
2-Coastal United 92 Premier vs. 7-FSCG 93 Sharks
3-Columbia United 92 Elite vs. 6-LCSC United 92 White
4-CESA 92B Challenge vs. 5-CSSC 92 Elite
U18 Boys:
1-CESA 91 Premier vs. 8-CESA 91 Challenge
2-Columbia United 91 Elite vs. 7-SSC U18 Challenge
3-DISA 91 Arsenal vs. 6-Columbia United 91 Palmetto
4-LCSC United 91 White vs. 5-DSC 91 Green
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U18 Girls:
1-CESA 91 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 91 Red
2-Columbia United 91 Elite vs. 7-CASA 91 Orange
3-Carolina FC vs. 6-Coastal United 91 Premier
4-MPSC 91 Elite vs. 5-CESA 91 Challenge
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Wait for it Wait for it Change is coming
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SCCRMOM - What do you know, that you aren't telling? What dates?
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When will times & fields be published?
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Why would the dates change?
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Could it be because CESA girls are play in the Final Four Soccer Showcase in College Station (part of the US Club)on Dec4-6???
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According to the rules,if as team doesn't play,they forfeit,which would put the CESA teams out of the running for winning the State Cup. I certainly hope the times are NOT changed,just so CESA can participate. I would have to question the ethics behind that. They should have paid attention to the dates for State Cup before commiting to a tournament. Maybe they all assumed they would get a bye the first round...should have read the rules.
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Loves to Play, you are going to be disappointed - and it just won't be one instance either! I don't know the specifics, but concessions have been made ...
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Wait i believe the State Cup Dates can be rescheduled if the SCYSA WANTS TOO wait for it
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Well if they change the whole weekend first round schedule,just for CESA....that should put a bad taste in anyone's mouth and it should be protested. The SCYSA should be benefiting the whole state,not catering to just one club.Do you think the same would hold true if it was another club that had a conflict?? They knew from the beginning of the season when state cup was,they just assumed they would get the "bye"...
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I am thinking they are moving dates to the 21-22
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I believe they're boys teams that may have conflicts as well
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Aren't we just talking first round games? These games can be scheduled during the week. I would think the opposing team would have to agree to the logistics.
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not only 1st round but finals weekend as well
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Well it would be a shame if all the other clubs in the State have to play the weekend before Christmas,just so CESA can go to a tournament. I know lots of folks plan on going out of town for the holidays...maybe we should all check with CESA before we make any holiday plans,to be sure it doesn't conflict with anything they have scheduled...
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It always amazes me how willing people are to talk about things when they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are talking about.
Who said "all the other clubs in the State" would "have to play the weekend before Christmas"? Nobody has ever suggested that.
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As far as I can tell, the US Club tournament only effects 3 first round games:
U15 Girls: 1-CESA 94 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 94 Red
U16 Girls: 1-CESA 93 Premier vs. 8-SC Bulls 93 Red
U17 Girls: 1-CESA 92 Premier vs. 8-CRSA Sky92
One of these has already been taken care of if the SCYSA schedule page is correct:
U17 Girls: Tues. Dec 1 5:00 pm CESA 92 Girls Premier vs CRSA SKY 92 at Lexington County Soccer #9
If the other two are handled in the same manner then no other teams will be effected. This type of change is nothing new and has been done quite a few times in the past.
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A few years back a CESA Premier girls team gave up home field advantage to a Discoveries team in a first-round state playoff match. CESA was playing in the CASL Showcase (Raleigh Shootout) and they played Discoveries in Rock Hill, on a Thursday night, on their way up to Raleigh.
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Hurst66: That was the example I could remember as well, but I do remember this happening on other occasions. I just can't remember the specifics. Getting old, I guess. 
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It always amazes me how willing people are to talk about things when they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are talking about.
Who said "all the other clubs in the State" would "have to play the weekend before Christmas"? Nobody has ever suggested that.
I agree. I believe in each case the CESA team will be giving up home field advantage and traveling. The entire event won't be moved, and I don't think anyone is being asked to play before Christmas or Thanksgiving.
The level of ignorance displayed is sometimes shocking.
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give credit to sccrmom for getting things started. Quote:
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"Ignorance" is my wife and I scheduling a trip to the Bahamas on the same week as the state cup final.  Especially when the semi's and finals are being played in our backyard.  If the state cup finals get moved back a week.....I'm all for it! 
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I can tell you for a fact that a few Teams have been notified that 2nd round if the teams make it will be moved to the weekend of the 19th and 20th
sorry for posting the 21-22 earlier still looking at November
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The schedule that was posted in the past 24 hours has the following:
Sat, Dec 12:
U15s – 10:30 AM
U16s – 12:45 PM
U17s – 3:00 PM
U18s – 5:30 PM
Sun, Dec 13:
U15s – 9:00 AM
U16s – 11:15 AM
U17s – 1:30 PM
U18s – 3:45 PM
Dec 18-20 are the rain dates. Games that can't be played on Dec 11-13 would be rescheduled for Dec 18-20.
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I can tell you for a fact that a few Teams have been notified that 2nd round if the teams make it will be moved to the weekend of the 19th and 20th
My understanding is that only the U17 boys division is being moved to Dec 18-20.
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Thank you Coach P That is all that was said was a date change was coming (no specific group or age) PEOPLE ASSUME what they want
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That is absolute crap... I see there are some games already moved to Dec 1st and 2nd. I agree with whoever said that any one else they would have been taught a lesson and made to pay the consequences.
I will say the opportunity of the showcase is very good for the players in question...BUT... you knew the schedule in advance. Any other club who would attend a NON USYSA tournament would received nasty looks from SCYSA. Why is different for them?.
In fact I would go as far as withdrawing the regional tournamnet for Greenville next year(?). If they do not play by the rules why should anyone else?
If I was an opposing coach I would think that the schedule is the schedule. Maybe my players are not available, have to study for a big test..etc.
This is crap.
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I agree 100%. I feel pretty sure if it was a 6 or 7th seeded team,the schedule would have stayed the same and they would have had to forfeit...but I guess as the saying goes"you get what you tolerate"
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People are so quick to jump on CESA.
Did you ever consider that perhaps CESA asked for permission from SCYSA BEFORE agreeing to go to events scheduled the same time as state cup? Did you ever consider that SCYSA may have given permission to do this because they saw it as a benefit to high level players across the state (who just so happe to play at CESA) and not just a benefit to CESA as a club?
No. I doubt that you did. You'd rather just assume that CESA would tell SCYSA what to do and SCYSA would just do it. Other clubs have asked for permission to do things out of the ordinary and have been granted that permission and I don't remember CESA parents (or anyone else) jumping all over them in the forums.
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Wow! Why should anyone care if teams agree to play at one time or another. It doesn't effect my kids team so I don't care. I am sure that all the coaches involved agreed to any changes. There seems to be a lot of hate or jealousy around the stae. Why?
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"It doesn't effect my kids team so I don't care."
So if it did, would you care then?
I guess the concern may lie in the question, are the rules the same for everyone? I can't find any scheduling guidelines, so if concessions were being granted, was this opportunity offered to all teams competing?
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"Ignorance" is my wife and I scheduling a trip to the Bahamas on the same week as the state cup final.
Especially when the semi's and finals are being played in our backyard.
If the state cup finals get moved back a week.....I'm all for it!
Hurst if State cup means that much to you then you stay home and i will be glad to keep your wife company on her trip to the Bahamas! 
As for the other arguments,
First round games get moved to weekdays all the time. Most of the time it is to accomadate CESA but that is because CESA is the club always trying to do what is best for their players when it comes to exposure.Do any of you really want to punish the kids by making them forfiet and the best teams not playing in the state cup just because you do not like CESA. Then everyone on here that complained about Cesa can brag about their teams winning state cup and all of us CESA people can bash you about doing it without the Cesa teams not being there.Last year the Cesa u-17 girls did not get into Disney so their first round game was moved to a weekday so they could attend CASL that weekend. It gave the girls some late exsposure that may have helped some of them play in college.What is wrong with that?
How about lets move State cup up a few weeks and not prolong the season the way it is. Then there may not be as many conflicts for those teams wanting to play at CASL and other places during the first week of Dec.North Carolina has been finished for 2 weeks.
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Yeah, wou;dn't it be nice if first round of State Cup was weekend of 11/14-15 and Final Four weekend was 11/21-22.
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Yeah, wou;dn't it be nice if first round of State Cup was weekend of 11/14-15 and Final Four weekend was 11/21-22.
The CASL Girls College Showcase was 11/20-22 this year.
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That is absolute crap... I see there are some games already moved to Dec 1st and 2nd. I agree with whoever said that any one else they would have been taught a lesson and made to pay the consequences.
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This is crap.
Wow. Some people really don't seem to care about the kids in the state at all??
If the other teams coaches agree to moving the game, why such a violent reaction?
Such venom is shocking. This state is going to have a difficult time moving the overall level of soccer across the state up with such attitudes. This entire soccer effort is about giving kids the best chance to grow as players and shouldn't be about anything else.
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It is very sad. The kids really don't care about the whens and the wheres they just want to play soccer. The population of this state isn't large enough for there to be so much dissension within the soccer population. Do what's best for these kids regardless of what club, academy vs. challenge, etc.
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I was referring to this statement. NOTE - I have not found anywhere a reference to a change in SCYSA schedule. Quote:
I can tell you for a fact that a few Teams have been notified that 2nd round if the teams make it will be moved to the weekend of the 19th and 20th
sorry for posting the 21-22 earlier still looking at November
So State cup being moved to accommodate one club is fair? The club being accommodated is playing in a non-USYSA sanctioned tournament.
1- I am all for exposure and challenge
2- I have had the experience before
So if (for example) FSCG sharks had scheduled a tournament on the weekend of the state cup, you believe SCYSA would move it to accommodate them? My beef is with SCYSA...
I see changes where done to first round dates to accommodate CESA, teams agreed end of story. But to change state cup finals week is another thing. Note that the 18th - 20th is a RAINED OUT DATE.
I do not know where you guys are from but things are not as equal as you may think they are. I can tell you for a fact that clubs were severely chastised in the past ( and recently no less) for participating in non USYSA sanctioned tournaments. Clubs have been chastised for belonging to US Club Soccer, etc. Yet somehow I am the one against this? I am all for choice... equal opportunity to all... not just the privileged few. If the cup is moved for one club then it should be moved for any. What happens if it rains on the 19 and 20th?
Better yet there will be games being played on Tuesday for the first round. There is supposed to be lots of rain on Tuesday... if the game does not get played and since they cannot play during the weekend, I guess they have to agree to play during the week before state cup weekend... they have no choice not a lot of time to heal an injury.
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For the record, I think the North Carolina club soccer season is too short and playing the state cup final in mid-November is a waste of good weather.
As much as CESA gets accused of having too much influence with SCYSA, I think the same is true of CASL in North Carolina. I think the NC season ends too quickly to accomodate all of CASL's end-of-year tournaments.
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I'm not for moving the whole state cup weekend but i do not have a problem with moving a first round game to mid week. If i am a 8 seed and have to travel and maybe even get a room for the night with the good chance of getting beat and being out of the final. I wouldn't mind having a top seed wanting to reschedule to mid week and come to my house so i can just stay home.
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Would it be too much to ask the SCYSA to put a link on the main page to get to the Challenge Schedules??? It is ridiculous to have to go thru three pages to get to schedules!!!
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For the record, I think the North Carolina club soccer season is too short and playing the state cup final in mid-November is a waste of good weather.
As much as CESA gets accused of having too much influence with SCYSA, I think the same is true of CASL in North Carolina. I think the NC season ends too quickly to accomodate all of CASL's end-of-year tournaments.
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I like the idea of being done in mid November. Then kids can focus on ODP and post season tournaments.....or high school preseason conditioning. Or maybe just take a couple of weeks off before one or more of the above gets started.
I also agree that NC season ends too soon....but thats because their State cup runs an extra week. They actually start State Cup the last weekend in October and thats too soon.
I have no problems with the State allowing flexibility for scheduling preliminary state cup games provided both teams agree to the revised timing. Final Four weekend shoudl be cast in stone unless weather doesn't cooperate. Everyone should play Final 4 weekend at the same time.
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So just to be clear. You guys think that the CESA 92 boys should have turned down the opportunity to play in the USYS National League to stay in SC and play in State Cup with everyone else? Seems a shame that the first team to ever earn their way into this prestigious league would be denied the opportunity to represent South Carolina at the national level. http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/news/story.asp?story_id=4940
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I bet SCYSA is praying for rain in Rock Hill!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So just to be clear. You guys think that the CESA 92 boys should have turned down the opportunity to play in the USYS National League to stay in SC and play in State Cup with everyone else? Seems a shame that the first team to ever earn their way into this prestigious league would be denied the opportunity to represent South Carolina at the national level.
http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/news/story.asp?story_id=4940
On behalf of CESA 92 Premier, I'd like to say thank you to SCYSA and the teams involved in changing the State Cup schedule to enable the team to compete in the National League. The boys look forward to having a second crack at Hicksville of NY, whom they lost to during the first round of Nationals in Boston.
Logistics are just logistics. Opportunities to play at the highest possible level must be taken when they are earned and I commend everyone involved who made the decision to change the schedule so our team can participate in both events.
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beenaround if you have been around then you would know that these things do not happen overnight.
1- First and foremost - congratulations to the CESA team in its participation in this league
2- everyone new the schedule for SCYSA state cup waaaaayyyyy in advance and everyone in SCYSA should have known that CESA was particpating in this league with this potential conflict
3- if it was any other team and any other tournament/league the team would be made to forfeit.
For example a few years ago some CESA girl teams chose to attend a tournament instead of attending the state cup playoffs for exposure. Why is this any different? why would this be any different than Billy Bob SC attending a tournament on the same weekend? afterall you are defining this as a great opportunity, maybe BBSC sees that other tournament as a great opportunity.
A couple years ago, teams that did not know they had qualified for state cup (U15 level when U14 #1 and #2 were allowed to play whose games do not count) were made to forfeit. You can argue that a coach should have known, well the CESA coaches should have known this conflict would occur.
I am certain that if this was a team coached by someone in CUFC who is also associated with SC United and the USSF league, SCYSA would not be as lenient.
I would guess that USYSA created all this with the logical assumption that the majority of state cups are held in May and June; which for some reason SCYSA has chosen not to follow and in reality places SC teams in a disadvantage when traveling to regionals as GA and NC teams are coming out fit and ready from their season and SC is struggling to get game/team fit coming out of HS season that has dispersed the team
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beenaround if you have been around then you would know that these things do not happen overnight.
1- First and foremost - congratulations to the CESA team in its participation in this league
2- everyone new the schedule for SCYSA state cup waaaaayyyyy in advance and everyone in SCYSA should have known that CESA was particpating in this league with this potential conflict
3- if it was any other team and any other tournament/league the team would be made to forfeit.
For example a few years ago some CESA girl teams chose to attend a tournament instead of attending the state cup playoffs for exposure. Why is this any different? why would this be any different than Billy Bob SC attending a tournament on the same weekend? afterall you are defining this as a great opportunity, maybe BBSC sees that other tournament as a great opportunity.
A couple years ago, teams that did not know they had qualified for state cup (U15 level when U14 #1 and #2 were allowed to play whose games do not count) were made to forfeit. You can argue that a coach should have known, well the CESA coaches should have known this conflict would occur.
I am certain that if this was a team coached by someone in CUFC who is also associated with SC United and the USSF league, SCYSA would not be as lenient.
I would guess that USYSA created all this with the logical assumption that the majority of state cups are held in May and June; which for some reason SCYSA has chosen not to follow and in reality places SC teams in a disadvantage when traveling to regionals as GA and NC teams are coming out fit and ready from their season and SC is struggling to get game/team fit coming out of HS season that has dispersed the team
Futbol,
Thank you for the props on the team making it into the National League.
As to your other comments, you should understand the National League is a USYSA league and the teams in the league were not announced until a couple of months or so ago.
Additionally, while we can all agree such conflicts within USYSA shouldn't occur, the fact is they do. Region Team events can conflict with club events and National League events can conflict with State Cup events. We have two players who forfeited their place on the region team so they could stay and play with their club team during National League competition.
SCYSA leadership are VERY proud of ANY team or CLUB who make it into National level competition. Discoveries and CESA 92 were treated equally well for their accomplishments last summer. We are most thankful for their past and current support of all teams.
As to the schedule conflicts, I suppose we can all find a bone of contention at some level. I'll give you that much.
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Manchester... I am all for providing the best opportunities. I went through it and would never hold back anyone who choses to do what is best. Finotti's team is a quality group and many will have lots of playing years in the future.
My issue is with the rules, rules that are supposed to apply to everyone. What if a team that makes it to the semis cannot play on the 19th? One would argue that it was known that the date is rained out date and should have been in the schedule as an available to play date. But so was the 12th, what happens then? What happens if it rains on the 19th and the games cannot be played? when will state cup be played?
None of these has been layed out, what if my team has a conflict on the date in January that is chosen?
This is the reason why the calendar is published in August of every year. with dates and rained out dates
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I bet SCYSA is praying for rain in Rock Hill!!!!!!!!!!!!
If that happens on Dec 12-13, all 8 gender/age groups would have to play the final round on Dec 19-20 (rain dates) rather than just the U17 boys. Why would SCYSA pray for a situation that would move all gender/age groups closer to the holidays?
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By the way... I am taking everyone at their word, as I said I have yet to see any offical communication about this move from SCYSA. Of course I have no involvement in the age group and may not be privy to the information.
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Manchester... I am all for providing the best opportunities. I went through it and would never hold back anyone who choses to do what is best. Finotti's team is a quality group and many will have lots of playing years in the future.
My issue is with the rules, rules that are supposed to apply to everyone. What if a team that makes it to the semis cannot play on the 19th? One would argue that it was known that the date is rained out date and should have been in the schedule as an available to play date. But so was the 12th, what happens then? What happens if it rains on the 19th and the games cannot be played? when will state cup be played?
None of these has been layed out, what if my team has a conflict on the date in January that is chosen?
This is the reason why the calendar is published in August of every year. with dates and rained out dates
Futbol,
I hear you but as Forest Gump said so eloquently, *!it Happens. South Carolina United FC had their first two games rained out and they aren't scheduled to make them up until June. USYSA didn't announce the National League teams until recently and for the few states where state schedules were affected the State organizations obviously have the authority to be flexible, if all agree.
I'm sure you'll agree, all of our state players want to play the best competition available. I suppose SCYSA could have made CESA 92 forfeit, but would the teams in that age group feel a bit slighted for not having a go at the best in the state. I think so.
If we have rain on any of those dates, new dates will be found. The world will not end.
Relax, take a chill pill and enjoy the experience would be my advice to anyone who has a problem with the changes. The changes which were made were made in the best interests of ALL players.
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Manchester ... IF the changes were made (again I have seen nothing official) they were made in the interest of 25% of the population in the sate finals weekend.
What about the 3 remaining teams whose parents will now have to pay extra training fees (which potentially was not needed) or now have to get hotels in rock hill for two weekends instead of one if they had a sibling playing as well?
25% of the pouplation is affecting 75%.
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Manchester ... IF the changes were made (again I have seen nothing official) they were made in the interest of 25% of the population in the sate finals weekend.
What about the 3 remaining teams whose parents will now have to pay extra training fees (which potentially was not needed) or now have to get hotels in rock hill for two weekends instead of one if they had a sibling playing as well?
25% of the pouplation is affecting 75%.
Are you serious?? Extra training fees? Hotel expenses? How many times have you driven to matches or tournaments for that matter over the years that were cancelled because of weather and you still paid for coaches fees, tournament fees, hotel, gas, food, cell phone roaming minutes, etc.
Come on now!
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I know this is a long shot, but what will SCYSA do if Carolina FC defeats CESA 92 Premier Friday? Will they play the final four on Dec 12-13 as originally scheduled?
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many... but not because of one team... that is all
I wish you guys well in Wilson and I hope all works out
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I know this is a long shot, but what will SCYSA do if Carolina FC defeats CESA 92 Premier Friday? Will they play the final four on Dec 12-13 as originally scheduled?
Couldn't say, but I'm sure Carolina FC would be willing to play anyone, anywhere!
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I wish you guys well in Wilson and I hope all works out
Point taken and thanks for that Futbol! We appreciate the support.
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Coach P. - If it rains that weekend then SCYSA can avoid all these so called conflicts that arise from the decision to move some semi-final and championship games and not the others. It is a shame that not all age groups will be played in the same weekend. Has that ever happened in SC before?
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Some Facts:
January 25: SCYSA Approves 2009 / 10 Calendar
June 8: National League Applications Available.
August 5: National Teams Announced.
November 23: ............
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Bonz, or is it Jonzie?
In my humble opinion, you should spend more time managing your own team and less time worrying about what leagues the top club in the state is playing in. Rest assured the die has been cast. Good luck in SCSCL next year.
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Bonz, or is it Jonzie?
In my humble opinion, you should spend more time managing your own team and less time worrying about what leagues the top club in the state is playing in. Rest assured the die has been cast. Good luck in SCSCL next year.
What? 
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