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Tony, I would ask you to google 'our founding fathers were not christians' but you might be best served if you just re-read kittens comments!

You asked me to do a Google search and re-read Kitten's remarks- I did both

What I took from Kitten’s post was that they were not in favor of prayer at sporting events because it may be uncomfortable and even possibly alienating for some who are not of a religious nature. If I am wrong about that understanding I apologize.

Next came my statement that we pray before our games, and I made a snide remark about being a rebel which if you knew me would have been an inside joke because I am far from being a trouble maker.

Then came your comment to research the Founding Fathers a bit more and your support of Kittens position.

Next I gave my opinion that I thought it not so important to research what the Founding Fathers put forth but rather how their work has been interpreted and how those interpretations have subsequently been placed in to practice either through actual written law or judicial decisions and resulting precedence.

You asked me to do a Google search and re-read Kitten’s comments. I did both.

The search yielded lots of websites mainly skewed to a particular point of view which I neither condemn or condone with some websites with counter claims or points of view. Then, just for kicks and pretty certain of the result it would yield, I took out the work “not” and redid the search and again found lots of websites mainly skewed to a particular point of view which I neither condemn or condone with some websites with counter claims or points of view. Website searches –IN MY PERSONAL OPINION- are like statistics- they can usually be skewed to prove or disprove a position and while based in fact can often be misleading or down right incorrect.

The reexamination of Kitten’s remarks simply led me back to the same understanding as before- that they are not in favor of prayer at sporting events because it may alienate or make someone uncomfortable. I think that is a fine opinion to have. It is not in line with my own but a perfectly fine opinion to have.

I could be wrong but are you thinking that I am taking exception with Kitten’s position? If so, I assure you that is not the case, I was merely stating the fact that my girls do pray before games and poking some fun at the whole argument.

When I re-read your last post it seemed to me that you were turning the discussion towards an argument of whether or not Founding Fathers had a religious affiliation at all which is an entirely different and long road to hoe but ultimately with some potential bearing on this topic- sorry I just don’t have the energy to go down that row right now.

Let me end my contributions with this. If my girls want to pray before the game then we do. If a majority do not, then I guess we would not. Anyone who has a different routine or opinion, hey, that’s fine too!

tk

I agree with kitten and RECCOS on this one. Just because the majority of your team would like to pray doesn't necessarily make it right. Believe or not schools aren't and shouldn't be run like a democracy where majority rules. Kitten is right on in saying that if one or two people on the team were uncomfortable with praying before a game, then they would be reluctant to say anything about it because of the fact that they are by far the minority.

If everyone on the team has no problem with praying before a game then power to you, but most likely there might be one person who isn't comfortable doing it.That one person isn't going to come forward and say that they would rather the team not pray. I think it would be best that if your teammates felt like praying before the game, then they should say an individual prayer.


And just curious Coach Chass, are you questioning the Supreme Courts ruling?

Excellent discussion with thought and information rather than people throwing out insults and opinion as fact.

I wonder how the founding fathers, who were mostly Masons, would react to the thought that someone who wanted to lead a prayer session would be prohibited from doing so by their government. They were against state imposed/controlled religion, think Church of England or Catholic Church, not religion itself.

Dread Scott was 7-2 and I would think most people would say they got it totally wrong on that one. The supreme court is more a reflection of the political mood of the country during which the justices were appointed rather than a reflection of the intent of the founding fathers.
"Living Document" vs "Strict Constructionist" is the current day battle but the theme is the same social engineering vs founding intent.

By the way it was never overturned and technically stands a as ruling.

It was however made mostly irrelevant by the 14th amendment.

I am with Tony on this one. My great uncle JW Rahde was chiefly responsible for having inscribed "In God We Trust" on American currency. Therefore, the religious fiber that flows through my veins will stand for what is right here. I do not expel or discriminate against any student/athlete for not praying with the team (the love of my Lord is strong). In fact, they may choose not to and I am okay with that. However, I have observed student/athletes over the years getting down on their team and showing no faith or hope to win a game when they feel they are over matched. I think you need a little faith, because without it there is no hope.
My captains lead a prayer before the game. If I get fired for believing in Jesus Christ, well... I am okay with that too.