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Nice article about Bishop England in today's Post and Courier. Check it out:
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/apr/16/16_besoccer/


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Great piece! BE is quality for sure. They're the best in 2A and probably 3A too this year!

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We will never know about 3A as they are a private school playing by different rules then the rest of the schools in 2A. The 3A athletic directors voted against it once and will again if it ever comes up.

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Are the 3A athletic directors (football coaches) concerned about getting beat by BE? I would think the 3A soccer coaches (not that they have any kind of voice) would welcome the added competition (and the 2A soccer coaches would welcome the relief) from having BE move up.

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Since BE is a private school, what is the criteria that decides if BE is a 2A or 3A (or SCISA)


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Are the 3A athletic directors (football coaches) concerned about getting beat by BE?




Considering BE got knocked out the 2009 playoffs by Silver Bluff by a score of 35-7 I seriously doubt many 3A athletic directors (football coaches) are shaking in their boots at the thought of facing the Battling Bishops on the gridiron. Sorry, but there is generally speaking quite a difference between how private schools compete with public schools on the pitch versus gridiron. I can think of at least two reasons why: 1. alot of your better athletes in public school still do not play soccer but the majority of your better athletes do play football 2. There is no club football - So while private school kids can afford the best club soccer has to offer there is no such alternative in football. This year round training allows them to be very competitive in soccer. I realize there are some talented private school football players - but I don't see the depth on the rosters top to bottom that most public schools would have.

So concerned about getting beat by (as my kid calls it) prep boy football? - I don't think so!

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From the SCHSL constitution

LEAGUE MEMBERSHIP - A non-public high school may become a member of the League if such
school is accredited by the Southern Association of Secondary Schools and Colleges and the principal
of the school agrees to conform to all rules and regulations of the League.
Before being considered as a member of the League, the non-public school must clearly define its
attendance area as one of the following: (1) the attendance area of the public school in whose
attendance area the school is located, (2) the school district in which the school is located, and (3) the
county in which the school is located.

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Bishop England's attendance area is Charleston County. There is just a small difference in BE's attendance zone compared to any other AA school.

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I just hope SCHSL has somebody that can help Jerome with this.

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Just an FYI there was a vote maybe 3 years ago by the AD's of the 3A schools as to allow BE to move up to 3A. It was denied. If my memory is correct I believe BE was grandfathered into the public high school league.

I would love to send my son to a large 4A school so he could play soccer but that (for the most part) is not allowed. I could send my son to private school but then he would play in SCISA. You may ask what's wrong with SCISA? I would defer to BE to answer that question!

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Soccer16, you are a little quick to bash SCISA as Pinewood Prep actually defeated Bishop England last week. Just shows that the top SCISA teams can compete with some of the best teams in SCHSL.

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My understanding is BE is 2A because their school size fits within the size that the HSL roughly establishes as being 2A based on the enrollment. I also understand that the HSL debated a couple of years ago making BE and Christ Church play up a level because they have the ability to recruit players while public schools can't, and the league backed down when BE threatened a lawsuit over it.

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Absolutely not! You kinda missed my point. I have great respect for SCISA, it's teams, players and coaches. I have watched alot of those very same players grow up through club soccer. I just don't understand what BE has against playing in SCISA? They would surely dominate that league as well.

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They surely would not dominate as shown by the Pinewood game.

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there has been sour grapes about BE's soccer success for soooo long. Just step up your teams and quit complaining- BE has played against all comers for years and has just won the BC tournament in Columbia- what2-A 3-A or 4-a team has BE not played or shied away from in all these years- none- that i am aware of

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What SC should go to is a multiplier for private schools that participate in the high school league. where I currently live, as many know, this was adopted about 2 years ago. For some strange reason when the private schools had their advantage removed, there were statistically far fewer private schools that were winning state titles. It was nice to see the "all boys private schools" have to go up against schools that were much larger. When you have "recruitment" whether actual or implied by having a good team at a private school...and we all know what we are talking about, you get people that move their kids into that school for both academics and for the sports. This is an advantage, and anyone that says it isn't is in denial. It is an unfair advantage that the SCHSL allows to happen, and the rules need to be modified to make it fair to the smaller schools that aren't allowed the same advantages.


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"Implied recruitment" - interesting term. And yes Soccerboy it is an advantage to be Catholic and athletic. The overwhelming majority of BE players are from Catholic families and many have parents and grandparents who graduated BE. Anyone out there ready to convert to Catholicism to play soccer? Come on...

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It's also an advantage to have no district lines...So we're not talking about all the catholics that live on Daniel Island..

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Marta, you do not have to be Catholic to go to a Catholic school....so there is no conversion necessary. I know many people that went to the local soccer powerhouse program that were not Catholic, but it was a Catholic school. Your point does not make sense....but I know for a fact that many of the students that attend this local high school either have "academic" scholarships or play soccer there for the pure fact that it is a good program year after year. I find it amusing that many of the areas best soccer players from club play on this team....is it coincidence? I hardly think so...some drive as far as an hour one way to attend this school. Just my opinion though....


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Soccerboy can you name one student who receives or received an "academic" scholarship to go to BE? The card carrying members of the BE Bashers Club keep screaming "recruiting" with no evidence to support it! BE doesn't have academic scholarships. There may be other private schools that do but BE doesn't. They don't have the money. (Try Porter Gaud or Pinewood)

50% of BE students participate in organized sports. As to my point "not making sense" you fail to acknowledge that large number of players are Catholic, went to Catholic grammar (feeder) schools and have family that attended BE. You were discussing recruiting and I'm saying to you it's not happening. These kids would be at BEHS with or without soccer and they would just play another sport.

And I was saying to the non-Catholics who want to play soccer at BE, come on over and we'll teach you how to make the sign of the cross and say the "Hail Mary" because you have to go to mass and take theology whether you're Catholic or not. Any takers?

The issue of "recruiting" and "unfair" is a dead horse, but keep beating it.

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Mrs P., I mean Marta, we get your point! Just chill, you're on Daniel Island for Heaven's sake!

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Let's all "out" each other Talon and maybe that will quell chilling discussion.

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Marta, can you name one player on either PG or PP's teams who has recieved a scholarship? Don't simply deflect accusations of recruiting to other schools when you have no proof to support it.

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