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CID , you know that would be way to easy of a thing to do! Alot of this territorial BS would go away if you locked these people in a room for a couple days they could talk over there differences and do whats best for the kids and not for themselves.However, doing what makes sense or doing what clearly is right lots of times doesn't happen.

Some teams will be in Raleigh..Let's see how it has changed..Tryouts in Dec Subregionals in Jan and camp in June..Six months of soccer..Practices once maybe twice a month..As I recall,our neighboring states has tryouts in the summer and has atleast six months of club soccer under their belts before we have tryouts..They get a year of training and we get six months at best..Has that changed and if not..What's wrong with this picture?
I have to agree with Cid..If you want this thing to work..It's going to have to come from higher up than our state

The sad truth is: ODP as previously constituted and newly envisioned, is a seriously flawed system for talent recognition and development. We can list a multitude of reasons -- politics, poor evaluation system, inconsistent quality of coaching, lack of clearly defined mission and standards, cost vs. benefit, etc. This thread is already four takes long.
That said, ODP can be a positive experience, when planets align. The fundamental idea is good. But in our state, anyway, the execution and follow-through don't measure up.
As parents, it's up to us to INSIST on change, and not take no for an answer. It's easy to get discouraged. When I approached a state ODP higher-up with a critical retrospective of my child's experience, the first thing he said was, "sour grapes." When I took the time to convince him otherwise, I still didn't get solid answers.
All I can say is, maybe it will change. But the key isn't to expand and bloat a non-working system. Rather, it's to envision and enact a new system that values QUALITY, CONSISTENCY and TRANSPARENCY over sheer numbers. Deliever those three key elements, and the numbers will take care of themselves.

Yes, It can be a positive experience..but most measure the positive by wins and losses..Not development of the player..Think about it..We would not need all the best players if the development was there at the younger ages..
Bringing the best players in is giving us what?
The best chance to win? I thought it was about development

Your point is excellent. Take a look at the SCYSA sight's summary of 2010 ODP, and you'll see comments about Ws and Ls. The more relevant outcome is player development. Did we identify the right kids, treat them correctly, and DEVELOP them as players and people?
All too often, the answer is no. Or worse. The highly politicized ODP experience often discourages kids or turns them off. Trust me, "elite-level" kids know who can and CAN'T play. They're accustomed to a certain level of coaching. When an ODP coach doesn't show up regularly or on time, selects the wrong kids, plays them in the wrong positions, verbally berates them, and then holds them to a presumed higher standard ...
THAT'S a cluster.
And yet, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that same coach is back next year.
Accountability?

I don't have the time to find the post but this in reference to the college coaches comment ...

Note: There are always exceptions to the rule, and certainly examples that will without a doubt prove the following wrong, but it should still be considered food for thought...

A college coach defined:

Play 4 years of college. Become a volunteer / grad assistant for 2-4 years. Be appointed a head coach of a small college. (Certainly prevalent in SC).

And this person is more qualified how?

Or alternatively, Mr. DI Head Coach deems it necessary that his assistant (who is a past player with 2-4 years of coaching experience) be annointed as an ODP Head Coach for recruiting purposes. Again, this is appropriate how?

As stated, just food for thought!

Recos, well said ! This topic starts to smell after a few pages ,you know.

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