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Anyone heard/received anything yet?
Anyone care to share how the new selection process works?
Does anyone think you can get a copy of your child's evaluation?
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word was the 21st it would be on the website. imagine we'll receive an email. next step as i understand, and according to the website, it is to take two teams from each group to sub regionals to play, and from that, pick one. "The purpose of the State Pool Tryout is to select two teams per age group who will be selected to attend the Sub Regional games on January 7-9, 2011 (boys in Winston-Salem, NC, and girls in Gainesville, GA). The players selected to represent SCYODP will be posted on the ODP page of the SCYSA website on December 21st." http://www.scysa.org/programs/odpeliteathelete.aspx
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Emails went out today, lists are posted. See ya in Salem..
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I was concerned about the change for ODP to include club coaches as I thought it could lead to recruiting and/or club bias- real or perceived. I thought it would take longer to be a problem- but based on the regional selections for the 98 boys- it already is a problem (and I don't have a 98 boy). The coaches for a club are placed in a bad position- if they don't select the club's players, what are they saying about the club's training, etc. In addition, most people are comfortable with what they know, who they know. I know of a least 2 players that were left off that are playing the highest level in NC and are dominant on that team. There is no way they are not in the top 30 in 98 SC. It's a shame to start the 'new" ODP in this way
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Ok, time to give the new ODP credit for doing something right. Last year the fee for Winston Salem was $235. This year it's $35. Of course, last year's fee included bus fare, a shared hotel room, and meals. However, most families in our age group made the trip to Winston Salem too, so the whole weekend became pretty expensive. So, as far as I'm concerned $35 and make your own travel arrangements is an improvement. Wouldn't feel the same way about the trip to Tuscaloosa, though.
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I was concerned about the change for ODP to include club coaches as I thought it could lead to recruiting and/or club bias- real or perceived. I thought it would take longer to be a problem- but based on the regional selections for the 98 boys- it already is a problem (and I don't have a 98 boy). The coaches for a club are placed in a bad position- if they don't select the club's players, what are they saying about the club's training, etc. In addition, most people are comfortable with what they know, who they know. I know of a least 2 players that were left off that are playing the highest level in NC and are dominant on that team. There is no way they are not in the top 30 in 98 SC. It's a shame to start the 'new" ODP in this way
Good point. I don't think anyone took the time to ponder how this change would impact "out-of-state" kids. College coaches didn't care. If you could play....you could play.
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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yep, two kids someone thought should be there and aren't......that's a conspiracy alright.
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I'm torn on this issue. It will save us some money, but my daughter says she will really miss rooming with the other players. It was one of her favorite parts of the ODP experience.
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yep, two kids someone thought should be there and aren't......that's a conspiracy alright.
Didn't claim it was a conspiracy.....I don't even know these kids.
I know it is very difficult to evaluate players over a couple of hours in a couple of training sessions. I'm sure the ODP coaches are doing the best they can.
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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I don't think its a conspiracy.......but I do see it as a sign of a structural weakness.
With my son having played a lot of his time in NC.....I have to say I never heard of a good NC player not being selected for a team. I heard of kids that a lot of people thought should have been on the "A" team that ended up on the B team. Or vice versa. But I never, ever heard of kids being shutout by the ODP process.
That happens every year in SC. A lot of it happens....because of the short tryout process. The NC tryout process goes on a long time and the coaches really get to know the kids and what their capabilities are. In SC coaches are making decisions after 1 or 2 practices.
Nothing is perfect.....but its a darned shame when quality kids get lost in the shuffle. Particularly in year 1 or 2 of the process. After that the caste system kicks in....
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I know what the email said, but does a kid who didn't make the cut have a legit shot by going to these training sessions and changing a coach's mind
or is this list pretty much a lock the rest of the way?
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The system never changed..Oh they said it will but how many changes have we seen so far? One or two tryouts and club coaches are picking their club players..Is this a surprise?
I would pick my own players too..
So the charge is thirty five dollars for sub regions and the families can travel and pay the expenses because most went to the events anyway..How does this help the players and families that can not afford to travel to games? I think there are more than do not go than those that do.
Back to the ODP selections...
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no one is ever going to be satisfied, no matter what. it's always something. i think that the evaluators did a good job this year. i watched many of the tryouts in different age groups, and looked for kids i knew were returning and those who were trying out for the first time. guess what, there is a mix of both, new and old on the rosters.
jaques, in my minds eye the only real absolutes are death and taxes, and you can get away wiithout paying those for a while too....
i feel that there is always an oportunity. if you have the time and your son/daughter is willing, damned right i'd go to practices and give it a shot! you can never have too many touches on the ball in that case.
merry christmas and a happy new year to all!!!
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yeah that 35 bucks sounds good until you figure in all the exspenses that a parent who didnt go to watch before has to pay now. 235.00 last year. now you have 35 for the fee, gas there and back at 2.75 a gallon ,room and board and food for atleast one parent and the player. seems it got more exspensive. what happened to making it cheaper for the good players that could not afford to play could.
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Are the lists really posted? Anyone got a link?
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it's only more expensive if you weren't going to go. Most parents in the younger age groups were in Winston Salem. Tuscaloosa is a different story.
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That happens every year in SC. A lot of it happens....because of the short tryout process. The NC tryout process goes on a long time and the coaches really get to know the kids and what their capabilities are. In SC coaches are making decisions after 1 or 2 practices.
Nothing is perfect.....but its a darned shame when quality kids get lost in the shuffle. Particularly in year 1 or 2 of the process. After that the caste system kicks in....
I agree. The coaches do not have a lot of time to sort through a lot of players. I too, had the impression that they were making an effort to look at everyone this year, but with that format it seems inevitable that someone will get missed,. In fairness, though, all of the players were called for two tryouts this year, and the original plan for regional selections was shelved. Given the club calendar, how would you give them more time for selection? a summer camp perhaps?
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it's only more expensive if you weren't going to go. Most parents in the younger age groups were in Winston Salem. Tuscaloosa is a different story.
The girls go to Gainsville and most parents do not go. So for the girls sub reginals are going to be more exspensive. Maybe even have a few that do not go because a parent cant get them there.
I guess it is not so bad . Now the parent can set the cost for this instead of sc odp.The players from the Greenville area are only 1:45 minutes from Gainsville. They can stay in their own bed
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No matter how good or bad a job sc odp did with picking players, evals need to be longer. Needs to be more like NC and do it over a couple of training sessions.
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The players from the Greenville area are only 1:45 minutes from Gainsville. They can stay in their own bed
Hard Headed, In the past when my daughters were at subregionals, there were team meetings and schedule changes (some due to remixing A/B rosters for evaluation) that the players needed to be available for. Do you think it would be feasible to not stay in Gainesville? Something I've never heard at a subregional game was, "Sorry I'm late, Coach...".
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Hard Headed, In the past when my daughters were at subregionals, there were team meetings and schedule changes (some due to remixing A/B rosters for evaluation) that the players needed to be available for. Do you think it would be feasible to not stay in Gainesville? Something I've never heard at a subregional game was, "Sorry I'm late, Coach...".
Remember Deltadog i spent 4 years of spending over 3 hours a night driving to practice and back. Team meeting at 8 or 8:30 and a 9 am game im still making the 1:45 min drive.
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Hard Headed, I remember your travels well. My point was more about changes in schedules by the coaches or subregional staff. In the past coaches had the freedom to move players from one game roster to another for whatever reason (SCTEAM1/SCTEAM2) without restriction, because all of the players were staying together and leaving for the fields as a group. My concern would be for the player staying 1:45 away from the team that has an 11am game, is leaving for game at 8:30am only to find out when she arrives that she was moved to the roster that played at 9am. ODP coaches/staff in the past never had to take into consideration developing a phone tree for communications with parents during a regional or subregional event. Not worried about your daughter missing anything. I know YOU'LL be there from dawn to dusk. 
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On second thought, there's also the possibility that the skies and fields in Gainesville are clear, and Greenville wakes up as a sheet of ice. 
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