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Also was the hand/arm in an unnatural position. This plays into a Ref's decision.
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If a girl has her hands up in the air, shielding her eyes from the sun,....yes, I would say that is an unnatural position.
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I'd say it's a lot more unnatural to look straight into the direction of the setting sun WITHOUT shading her eyes, but I guess it's all a matter of opinion. Raising the arms above the head as I've seen some people do on a corner kick is an unnatural position...while you're not deliberately playing the ball with the hand, you are providing an unnaturally large target to interfere with the path of the ball.
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A good judgement call happens if the ball is being shot on goal, hits a player's hand, and changes direction. Was it unintentional? If yes, still award the PK b/c it took away a goal scoring opportunity.
If the ball is in the box, hits a hand or arm, and it was unintentional, then it should not be a pk. But shots on goal that hit hands or arms, whether intentional or unintentional, should be pks.
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This exact situation occurred to my girls' squad Tuesday vs. Spartanburg 1 min. into the match. My left back stepped to block a shot taken from inside the box, she had her arms extended away from her body and the ball hit her arm. A penalty kick was awarded and converted. 1 minute into the match and we're down 1-0 not the way you want to start a match.
At half time I pointed out... As a defender stepping to block a shot, it's so important to keep your arms close to your body, especially inside the box. Intentional or not I believe the correct call was made.
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You guys are making way too much of this. Think of a handball as a certain Supreme Court justice once thought of pornography. To paraphrase:
I may not be able to define it, but I know it when I see it.
The problem is, many of our current high school officials are:
1) Because of fitness or laziness issues, not in proper position to SEE it;
2) Too gutless to call it EITHER way; or
3) Too inexperienced to call it correctly.
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Backscreen17,
We've heard your story.......
Now it's time for you to take the test and step onto the pitch. Come on, make the game better for the kids.
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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A good judgement call happens if the ball is being shot on goal, hits a player's hand, and changes direction. Was it unintentional? If yes, still award the PK b/c it took away a goal scoring opportunity.
If the ball is in the box, hits a hand or arm, and it was unintentional, then it should not be a pk. But shots on goal that hit hands or arms, whether intentional or unintentional, should be pks.
Ok, so by what you are saying...
Defender is running across the face of the goal keeping pace with a forward. Another attacker fires the ball point-blank and hits the defender in the arm as she is running. She has no chance to move or avoid it and is only moving in a natural running motion. Did impact with the player's arm change the course of the ball into the goal? Sure. PK? Please.
Defender is running back with a forward toward the goal. Midfielder shoots from behind her and clips her in the hand when she didn't see it coming. PK?
Scrum in front of the goal with a loose ball. Ball is kicked hard in the knot of players and bounces up off a foot or ankle into a hand...again, millisecond, no chance to avoid. PK? How do you penalize a player for an action that was inflicted on them through no particular action of their own and they have no real chance to avoid?
"It took away a goal scoring opportunity" is a silly way to determine whether something should be called as a foul or not. That's like saying if a car hits me on the road and nobody is injured, it's not my fault, but if the same car hits me and someone in that car is injured, I'm liable for it. Either the action itself was illegal or it wasn't...the particular trajectory of the ball at that particular instant should have nothing to do with it.
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If the player shows no intent to touch the ball..It's not a handball..Not a ref..but I do know the difference in a player hitting the ball and the ball hitting the player..
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Quote:
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A good judgement call happens if the ball is being shot on goal, hits a player's hand, and changes direction. Was it unintentional? If yes, still award the PK b/c it took away a goal scoring opportunity.
If the ball is in the box, hits a hand or arm, and it was unintentional, then it should not be a pk. But shots on goal that hit hands or arms, whether intentional or unintentional, should be pks.
Ok, so by what you are saying...
Defender is running across the face of the goal keeping pace with a forward. Another attacker fires the ball point-blank and hits the defender in the arm as she is running. She has no chance to move or avoid it and is only moving in a natural running motion. Did impact with the player's arm change the course of the ball into the goal? Sure. PK? Please.
Defender is running back with a forward toward the goal. Midfielder shoots from behind her and clips her in the hand when she didn't see it coming. PK?
Scrum in front of the goal with a loose ball. Ball is kicked hard in the knot of players and bounces up off a foot or ankle into a hand...again, millisecond, no chance to avoid. PK? How do you penalize a player for an action that was inflicted on them through no particular action of their own and they have no real chance to avoid?
"It took away a goal scoring opportunity" is a silly way to determine whether something should be called as a foul or not. That's like saying if a car hits me on the road and nobody is injured, it's not my fault, but if the same car hits me and someone in that car is injured, I'm liable for it. Either the action itself was illegal or it wasn't...the particular trajectory of the ball at that particular instant should have nothing to do with it.
Spot on, Coach. Good job! 
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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