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MT4ME, Cmon you're kidding, right? Let's say they came to you and asked you to start a "open" soccer forum. Would you throw people out for stirring the pot (as you say)? asking hard questions? calling out an organization when you don't agree with them. Maybe you would just let people in that are yes people? The problem is when someone stops asking hard questions, that's when someone's usually getting away with something they shouldn't be. And please this isn't your first soccer forum rodeo?
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In the past 2 weeks I've seen the high emotional rollercoaster of the HS players from tears of joy to tears of defeat. In club games I've never seen it. Are club games just another game. Why is that?
To get back to the topic, I've seen high emotions and complete boredom at both. I think that the emotion lies more in the player and the circumstance of the game instead of the sanctioning body.
There probably wasn't much emotion at the 22-0 HS game in SC this year. And there probably wasn't much emotion in many of the #1 vs. #8 first round state cup games. Yet, we've all seen high school games where one team is overjoyed and another is crushed. We've all (even you BT) seen club games that have had the same effect on players and parents alike. I've seen fights in HS games and I've seen players make unbelievable comments etc. towards each other on social networks over a regular season 'meaningless' club game. Anybody ever seen grown men and women get 'emotional' on the sideline of a club game or escorted out of a HS stadium? I'll bet more people have seen both than have seen neither.
Without bashing HS or club, it goes back to the player or the coach or the parent or the game more than it does HS or club.
On another note, last year I got absolutely blasted for suggesting that many first round playoff games were ridiculous. Wish I had Bomber to stick up for me when people got mad at me for suggesting that a system that allowed a team with a losing record to enter into the playoffs and get beat 13-0 was just absurd. Oh well.
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i'll bite,.... club leads to much better HS soccer. Too many lowcountry HS kids are not playing club & it shows.
i think sville, nchas, gcreek, mcorner, chas, ji are selling themselves short, figure it out & fix.
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MT, if you don't like the thread, go to another.
This is an open forum designed to promote questions on and about various topics. Not designed to be silenced by people like you.
And Harry, agreed, teams with losing records have no business in the playoffs.
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MT4ME, Cmon you're kidding, right? Let's say they came to you and asked you to start a "open" soccer forum. Would you throw people out for stirring the pot (as you say)? asking hard questions? calling out an organization when you don't agree with them. Maybe you would just let people in that are yes people? The problem is when someone stops asking hard questions, that's when someone's usually getting away with something they shouldn't be. And please this isn't your first soccer forum rodeo?
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Are you really asking the hard questions or just another one to find a way to bash the club experience? Most parents feel both high school and club benefit their child. Most players feel the same. I can't imagine a high school team would be successful without its club players. At the same time, club players want to play for their high school. It seems to me that most of the time both can exist alongside one another without a problem.
I am not sure what it was that made you so bitter about club. Whatever it was, you can be assured not everyone shares your feelings (although someone will probably feel the need to jump in and say I'm drinking the club kool-aid. Isn't that what happens about now? Or will I just be told to go away for questioning why we once again have to talk about which is better, club or hs, while measuring the value of each by the number of tears shed?).
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On another note, last year I got absolutely blasted for suggesting that many first round playoff games were ridiculous. Wish I had Bomber to stick up for me when people got mad at me for suggesting that a system that allowed a team with a losing record to enter into the playoffs and get beat 13-0 was just absurd. Oh well.
Harry, those playoff games of 13-0 are about as absurd as being on a CESA Challenge team, being forced to play in both the Challenge and Premier league, getting your brains beat out every week in the Premier League by the Ponte Vedra's and Boca's of the world, who usually easily handle the CESA Premier teams and on top of that, all the travel required to play all those games.
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Bomber, I'm confused. Are you talking about the 92 CESA team again? Because they went 3-5-3 in the premier league. Not exactly 'getting your brains beat out every week'. They lost 3-1 to Ponte Vedra. I saw that the other SC club went 0-11-0 in the league and lost 9-0 to Ponte Vedra. I think they traveled twice as well. Unless you count going to Gastonia and Columbia as a big journey. Do you have your SC teams mixed up? Are you bashing that other SC team? What do you have against that team? Surely they've never done anything to you.
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Getting back to emotions, (which is what I thought this was about) what are your thoughts there Bomber? Is it that club games are 'just another game' as BT suggests? There was a game this past fall in the upstate on a Wed. night between a team that finished 3rd in the SCSCL and a team whose results didn't count in anyone's standings (though they went undefeated). So it should have been a meaningless game, right? How were your emotions before/during that game? How were gbdawgs? Were they calm because it was a club game? Or were they excitable because there were circumstances about the game that mattered to you?
So, I'll get back to my original question. Is it the player, game, parent etc. that determines the answer to gbdawgs' original question or is it simply a matter of hs is exciting and club isn't?
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MT4ME, Cmon you're kidding, right? Let's say they came to you and asked you to start a "open" soccer forum. Would you throw people out for stirring the pot (as you say)? asking hard questions? calling out an organization when you don't agree with them. Maybe you would just let people in that are yes people? The problem is when someone stops asking hard questions, that's when someone's usually getting away with something they shouldn't be. And please this isn't your first soccer forum rodeo?
Dawg,
Are you really asking the hard questions or just another one to find a way to bash the club experience? Most parents feel both high school and club benefit their child. Most players feel the same. I can't imagine a high school team would be successful without its club players. At the same time, club players want to play for their high school. It seems to me that most of the time both can exist alongside one another without a problem.
I am not sure what it was that made you so bitter about club. Whatever it was, you can be assured not everyone shares your feelings (although someone will probably feel the need to jump in and say I'm drinking the club kool-aid. Isn't that what happens about now? Or will I just be told to go away for questioning why we once again have to talk about which is better, club or hs, while measuring the value of each by the number of tears shed?).
Only asked the "emotion question MT, didn't say nothing about what's better HS or Club. You did make some good points MT. I'm sure I'll have more material (stirring the pot) in the future, that you can comment on. I'm sure you'll be able to comment on all of them in this open forum. Don't we live in a great country where censorship is fround on? Have a great day and nice holiday weekend.
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In the past 2 weeks I've seen the high emotional rollercoaster of the HS players from tears of joy to tears of defeat. In club games I've never seen it. Are club games just another game. Why is that?
To get back to the topic, I've seen high emotions and complete boredom at both. I think that the emotion lies more in the player and the circumstance of the game instead of the sanctioning body.
There probably wasn't much emotion at the 22-0 HS game in SC this year. And there probably wasn't much emotion in many of the #1 vs. #8 first round state cup games. Yet, we've all seen high school games where one team is overjoyed and another is crushed. We've all (even you BT) seen club games that have had the same effect on players and parents alike. I've seen fights in HS games and I've seen players make unbelievable comments etc. towards each other on social networks over a regular season 'meaningless' club game. Anybody ever seen grown men and women get 'emotional' on the sideline of a club game or escorted out of a HS stadium? I'll bet more people have seen both than have seen neither.
Without bashing HS or club, it goes back to the player or the coach or the parent or the game more than it does HS or club.
On another note, last year I got absolutely blasted for suggesting that many first round playoff games were ridiculous. Wish I had Bomber to stick up for me when people got mad at me for suggesting that a system that allowed a team with a losing record to enter into the playoffs and get beat 13-0 was just absurd. Oh well.
I agree with you Harry on the emotion question, I just saw alot of it on the high school scene the past couple of weeks. Which isn't a bad thing. It probably builds character in many of these players. I think Bombers point is that in club there are so many games and venues that the player views it as just another game which removes emotion. In high school you have 1 goal, and that's to win the state championship, in club, you have r3pl champ,ecnl champ, state champ which might be dilluting it for the player. It probably means more to a Ponte Vedra playing Boca every year for the top spot where a rivalry has probably been developed. Whereas the the lower tiered teams feel like they have no chance year in and year out.
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