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The following teams have either dropped off or picked it up over the past two years for a variety of reasons. There are different reasons for different schools, but here goes...
Teams that have significantly DROPPED OFF:
Ridge View
Daniel
Summerville
Westside
Southside Christian
JL Mann
Dorman
Teams that have significantly PICKED IT UP:
St. James
Academic Magnet
Pendleton
Hillcrest
Brashier Middle College (Undefeated and Unranked????)
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Most teams in the upstate are down talent wise on the girls side...
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Also girl teams that have dropped off are Mauldin, Riverside, Wando, Hillcrest,Wren etc...
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Also girl teams that have dropped off are Mauldin, Riverside, Wando, Hillcrest,Wren etc...
You must be bored today- whatever???
You are wanting to get the pot really stirred up now.
Whatevvver!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hard to say that Riverside or Wando have dropped off. Both have been in the top 4 all year long.
Mauldin seems to have a lost half a step. The 2-0 loss to TL Hanna is a changing of the guard in that rivalry. It may be TL Hanna's first win in school history over the Mauldin girls, but I don't have stats from the 90s to verify.
Wren is as good as they've ever been. Top 10 in AAAA, and on pace to tie or set their win total as a AAAA school. Burriss has his team playing as well now as at any point in the past decade.
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Also girl teams that have dropped off are Mauldin, Riverside, Wando, Hillcrest,Wren etc...
You must be bored today- whatever???
You are wanting to get the pot really stirred up now.
Whatevvver!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure. keeps blood flowing. If I can help one person its all worth it. hillcrest is the same team for the last 3 years. Competitive team with one strong player. They will have the same outcome as previous years. So i can't put them on the upward swing. Here is a prediction. They will be on the down swing next year.
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Also girl teams that have dropped off are Mauldin, Riverside, Wando, Hillcrest,Wren etc...
You must be bored today- whatever???
You are wanting to get the pot really stirred up now.
Whatevvver!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure. keeps blood flowing. If I can help one person its all worth it. hillcrest is the same team for the last 3 years. Competitive team with one strong player. They will have the same outcome as previous years. So i can't put them on the upward swing. Here is a prediction. They will be on the down swing next year.
You really went out on a limb with that one.
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whatever seems to respond to a lot of JL Mann posts. The JL Mann coach used to have an email address that had "whatever" as part of the address. Is there any correlation here?
Hillcrest may be a "competitive team with one strong player" as whatever states, but so are a lot of other teams. And true, those teams may drop off when the strong player graduates, or they may have another strong player (or more) coming up through the jv ranks. So whatever's prediction is difficult to make unless he/she knows what the feeder system for Hillcrest has coming up.
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Having been involved with Hillcrest soccer for the past six years, I would say that we are a "competitive team with one great, not strong, player". I will also say that the overall talent level has really increased over the years. Next year we will miss DeVita tremendously, but we will have enough girls returning along with the incoming freshmen to keep us playing at a high level. After all there are 11 girls on the field at a time not just one.
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Well said coach! You are a class act and Hillcrest is very lucky to have you.
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whatever seems to respond to a lot of JL Mann posts. The JL Mann coach used to have an email address that had "whatever" as part of the address. Is there any correlation here?
Hillcrest may be a "competitive team with one strong player" as whatever states, but so are a lot of other teams. And true, those teams may drop off when the strong player graduates, or they may have another strong player (or more) coming up through the jv ranks. So whatever's prediction is difficult to make unless he/she knows what the feeder system for Hillcrest has coming up.
For clarification purposes only I will reply- "Whatever" is not the coach for Mann, although you are correct about "whatever" being in her e-mail address. I am far too busy and not quite witty enough to do anything but read these posts. I was actually looking at scores for last night and saw this post. Ha!I think I will stay off the message board ans stick to the Scoreboard. PS- Younts is doing a great job!!
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Thanks for the clarification. whatever should change their screen name to avoid trying to confuse other posters.
Coach Younts has done a fine job at Hillcrest. I had the (dis)pleasure of losing 2-0 to Hillcrest in 2009 and it was not a "one strong player" team that I lost to. All 11 were strong and played hard.
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I would include Spartanburg andByrnes in the teams that have dropped off. Coach Emerson had a very competitive team over his tenure. I am sure they wish he would return to coaching. Former Spartanburg High School girls soccer coach Paul McGinty has done an outstanding job at Dorman. But I am sure he is missed at the Viking Nation.
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RegionII, both of the teams you mentioned have dropped off, each to an equal degree based on past levels of play.
What has led to the drop in the level of play in so many upstate teams?
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My opinion:
1. Economy - parents had to make tough choices on what to cut back on.
2. Players - many don't want to commit to year round training, tournaments and games throughout the state.
3. Lacrosse/Volleyball - both programs are taking top athletes into their programs. If you look at the athletes playing volleyball in Club South you would be amazed at the athletic abilities of these young ladies.
Lacrosse will pull more and more athletes away from soccer. I assume if you look at female soccer players, each club has lost numbers of the past years in participation.
4. More and more HS coaches are not involved with club soccer.
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I also think the cost of competitive club has increased substantially in the last 5 years. More and more parents have cut back on club, not because they wanted to, but because club simply costs too much.
It costs money to play at CESA. CESA dominates the upstate. CESA will have the best players, but as its ever burgeoning reach encompasses the whole of the Anderson, Greenville, Spartanburg area, the schools without players that can afford to play CESA will suffer.
Couple rising costs and a single,unifying, expensive club that dominates the landscape, along with the other factors RegionII listed, and the pool of players gets diluted.
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I also think the cost of competitive club has increased substantially in the last 5 years. More and more parents have cut back on club, not because they wanted to, but because club simply costs too much.
It costs money to play at CESA. CESA dominates the upstate. CESA will have the best players, but as its ever burgeoning reach encompasses the whole of the Anderson, Greenville, Spartanburg area, the schools without players that can afford to play CESA will suffer.
Couple rising costs and a single,unifying, expensive club that dominates the landscape, along with the other factors RegionII listed, and the pool of players gets diluted.
that can't be correct because its all about the kids
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Thanks for the clarification. whatever should change their screen name to avoid trying to confuse other posters.
Coach Younts has done a fine job at Hillcrest. I had the (dis)pleasure of losing 2-0 to Hillcrest in 2009 and it was not a "one strong player" team that I lost to. All 11 were strong and played hard.
Of course no self respecting coach is going to be on this web site. Whatever is all I hear around my house when I'm right and I hear it a lot. I'm a mann graduate who played soccer and still have friends whose kids still play for the boys and girls team. By the way since when is calling someone strong an insult. I have no doubt Hillcrest is well coached and have super players. The post said that Hillcrest is on the rise and I disagree. The record does not reflect a rise. You will finish 4th or 5th and be out first round. This is not a rise or a downward trend. Its status quo.
If people want to post crap than expect a reply. if Boiling Springs wants to say they made us look good than expect a reply. If ENCL says they have coaches all over the US watching them and 95% stay in state then expect a reply.If having 5 players out with injury is called an excuse then expect a reply.
Read the message not the messenger and you'll enjoy this web site more.
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Whatever, Hillcrest was an elite program in the late 90s through '02. Then they dropped off until '09. They have improved over the last 3.5 years. They have not risen as high as their previous level of success in the late 90s through '02, this is true, but they are far better than the '03-'08 squads.
So in fairness, you are correct to say that they are not a program on the rise, and yet at the same time you are incorrect.
Also, if no self respecting coach was on this website, then the Heise's would never have created it and coaches would not post scores. As is the nature with message boards, self-respecting coaches, parents with a grudge, players, and all the rest participate. C'est la vie.
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I want to thank Former Ram for putting Pendleton on the teams that have Picked It Up. The Ladies program at Pendleton two years ago was one of the worst in the state. In the past two years the girls have taken the program to a new level and have started being involved in club. Even if some just do High School Prep it is still training in the fall. This year the Pendleton Ladies (2A) have tied or beat some very quality 3A and 4A teams, have been ranked in the top 10 in the state multiple weeks, and have good winning record (2 years running). I can contribute the success to a Sophomore forward who has 19 goals and 7 assists and a Freshman Defender who is hard to get past, but the true credit goes to the team for working hard and wanting to better the program. Trying to bring the pride of soccer to the small town of Pendleton.
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Roseberry/Former Ram,
When was Westside ever good? When you were there, I'm assuming? Hard to drop off when there's no elevation...
Pointless thread: no humor, self-aggrandizing, idiocy, lame.
Talk about self-respecting coaches.
As my good buddy would say: "KILL YO-SELFFFFF (with 5 F's)"
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Tugjobber,
You are right that Westside was mediocre "at best" when I was there. I can't argue that. They have dropped off from mediocre at this point, hence the dropped off tab.
Personal attack was a bit much, ouch, but it did end with humor...
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I have to drop in on the Westside topic. Westside was never the Hanna's or Wren's around this area but they were respected and could compete from '08-'10. Almost every girl on the team at that time was playing challange or classic club soccer. Not to mention you had a forward that scored 132 career goals. Roseberry built that team from the ground up and its sad to see it dying again. Every topic doesn't have to be funny, there can be some discussions that don't involve taking stabs at people. We are all adults!
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By nature, the former disgruntled coach of a program that has declined since his departure posting a topic basically saying "Look what's happened since I left!!!!" and tossing a few other programs under the bus while doing it is "taking stabs at people". It doesn't take my boy Tom Selleck figure it out.  ^^^^ EYE Candy for you ladies out there ^^^^ We are adults and some of us are professionals which is why when I leave my job for another one for whatever reason fired, laid off, inappropriate relations with co-workers, more pay somewhere else, ran too many copies, poor performance, failure to pay my Colombian prostitute, whatever I wouldn't see it as very professional to sneakily bash my former employer on the internet. ***Disclaimer - I don't work and party on my Yacht 24/7 on the lake so what do I know anyways?***
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Tugjobber, or is it David, If you didn't have the funniest posts on this board, I think I would get upset. I was never disgruntled nor had any intent to bash a former employer or fellow coach. I did wonder, however, when looking at the rankings, what fate befell some of the programs listed in the initial post that caused them to drop off? Also, I do see your point that by including Westside I added subjectivity, which did nothing to add interrogative merit to the question. Since you are from the midstate, and I think still involved with a high school program, do you agree with the reasons given on this thread, or do you have other insight? If you do live near Columbia I would imagine that Kevin and Kyle Heise, given the amount of time that they dedicate to soccer in South Carolina, would probably have more insight to offer you than just about anyone. Here is an email address from the front page of scsoccer if you need to contact one of them: kyle@scsoccer.com
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