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See the link below. http://events.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?eventid=25685For the U15 girls, you have the CESA 97 ECNL and CESA 97 Premier (last seasons 97 Challenge team). It looks like CESA is placing a team that finished that did not make the final eight for state cup into a Premier spot. Am I reading that wrong?
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Bump...... Inquiring minds want to know.
Will cesa throw their second team to the wolves in premier? A team that did not qualify for the position.
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… maybe this will bring Andrew, I mean Harry out of semi-retirement, or at the very least wake him up in the CESA office! Regardless beware of the smoke and mirrors!
U14 Girls: CESA State Champions playing ECNL (only?). The Challenge team now called Premier - but lets just call them the B team - will be playing RIII PLE in the Spring. This B team finished 11 in the Challenge league in the spring.
U15 Girls: CESA State Champions playing ECNL (only?). The Challenge team now called Premier - but lets just call them the B team - will be playing RIII PLE in the fall. This B team finished 9 in the Challenge league in the Spring.
I could go on but by now you get the picture …
The question one must ask is just how many of the ENCL players will be helping out in the RIII PLE league? (US Club vs. USYSA)
Fortunately, this league (RIII PLE) is watered down with the invention of the SPL as well as other 'super clubs' going ECNL only. Despite the above, will CESA be able to safe face through roster manipulation?
The bigger question is with the increase in roster size and the Club Pass Rule, what chess games will be played come State Cup time? How do they (CESA) repeat the cycle above?
Let the conspiracy theorists run amok!
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I do not think Harry will be back. He has been gone to long.
What happened to DeltaDog? He is MIA.
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I thought the rule was 50% +1 returning players from state cup roster...????? so how can a CESA challenge team be in the premier league if the did not earn it?
The name is meaningless it is the roster
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I've been told the 50% rule no longer applies.
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As of 8/5 I was told it did
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o Coaches Committee voted in June to do away with 50% rule as NCS has done per Gregg Vallee (DOC/ODP)
As posted by Kevin H. 08/04 scysa meeting
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Futbol - you were lied to.
Gun Smoke - Its all smoke and mirrors.
How did the CESA 97 'Premier' Girls do yesterday?
The bigger question is how will CESA handle the SCYSA's requirements come State Cup time?
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1-9...... Mirror seems to have cracked.
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Reccos - Can you clarify 'SCYSA's requirements come State Cup time'? If the 50% rule is no longer in effect, what are SCYSA's requirements?
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The score of the SCUFC 97 Elite vs Ponte Vedra was 1 - 14
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Just Curious …
The answer to your question will change depending on just who you talk to; but I believe CESA will be required to bring back either 9, 11 or 50% of the ECNL roster in order to participate in the State Cup in 2012/13.
However, I would not be surprised if by now politics would have changed the above, but if not, CESA will most certainly have a fun time dealing with the parents of the B team come November / December.....
BTW: I do not pretend to be a spokesperson of any entity, and therefore I recommend that if you want facts, that you contact the powers that be directly.
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The answer to your question will change depending on just who you talk to; but I believe CESA will be required to bring back either 9, 11 or 50% of the ECNL roster in order to participate in the State Cup in 2012/13.
However, I would not be surprised if by now politics would have changed the above, but if not, CESA will most certainly have a fun time dealing with the parents of the B team come November / December.....
BTW: I do not pretend to be a spokesperson of any entity, and therefore I recommend that if you want facts, that you contact the powers that be directly.
I don't believe you are right on that. The league they are talking about is the league they are now playing. So, nine from the team playing this fall need to be rostered for the State Cup. It doesn't even make sense that it would be nine from the team last spring.
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Thanks Reccos, but I'm still confused... The SCYSA rules indicate the state cup team must be comprised of at least 9 league players. If the 'league' they're referring to is premier league, then as long as 9 'B-team' players currently rostered in premier league play are also rostered for state cup, then CESA complies, right? Not sure why they'd have to bring back 50% of the ECNL roster unless SCYSA is enforcing the 50% rule, in which case CESA will most certainly have a fun time dealing with parents in November...
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Per another thread on SC Soccer: Coaches committee voted in June to do away with the 50% rule. It seems to me, it is gone.
SCYS President’s Meeting
Saturday, August 04, 2012
Doubletree – Columbia, SC
• 24,618 youth players registered by 7/23/12
• Economical impact = $12 million Greenville for Region III tourney / $3-4 million Rock Hill for National Championships
• State Cups = $5 million
• First time ever that one state hosted a Regional & National tourney in same year
• Initiative to reach more inner-city kids
• 331 teams registered for the two statewide select leagues (PMSL/SCSCL)
• Nigerian Academical team is coming to SC. Team won African Nations Cup and will tour SC.
• Presidential election: Hans Pauling
• Secretary election: Susan Polson
• Heated discussion revolving around Club Pass use, etc.
• Byron Roberts, Recreation Director delivered a report about Recreation Soccer and growing the base statewide
• Classic/Premiership – Rob Strickland, SCUFC - lively debate … benefits both large/small clubs, however there are some issues involving state cup implementations that need review
o Coaches Committee voted in June to do away with 50% rule as NCS has done per Gregg Vallee (DOC/ODP)
o Pearse Tormey, CESA – “club pass can be used by six clubs, six different ways”
o Promotion/relegation was discussed
o Is SC big enough to do this?
o Application process brought up by Kian Brownlee of SCU/MP
• Pullen Insurance
o General Liability Policy – civil negligence, bodily injury claims, etc.
o Accident Medical Policy – if a player or coach gets injured during participation in a sanctioned activity - $1,000 deductible (secondary insurance) up to $100,000
• Coach of the Year Awards:
o Boys – Pearse Tormey, CESA
o Girls – Andrew Hyslop, CESA
• Young Referees of the Year Awards:
o Boys – Dallas Rosier
o Girls – tba
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Just Curious, it sounds like you know about as much as I do. Which admittedly on my part is pretty much next to nothing. Contact CESA - I am sure they will satisfy your curiosity!
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MT$ME... I understood that the SCYSA member clubs have not voted on approving the 50% waiver
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That could be. I don't have any kind of inside information. I only know what the information from the link on the SCYSA website.
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o Coaches Committee voted in June to do away with 50% rule as NCS has done per Gregg Vallee (DOC/ODP)
So if a "committee" votes to do away with in June, how can this be accepted by the full scysa board for the current fall 2012 season?
Are there not processes and procedures with time lines for changes?
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Looks likes CESA's decision to place the 97 "B" team in the Premier is going well. Through 4 games, 1GF and 24GA. I don't know if this is a CESA or SCYSA problem. Remember, this team didn't even make the final four of state cup last Spring.
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So if a "committee" votes to do away with in June, how can this be accepted by the full scysa board for the current fall 2012 season?
Are there not processes and procedures with time lines for changes?
first vote that day was probably to change the time line for changes. followed by second vote to change the rest of the rules... subject to yet scheduled third vote. 
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Looks likes CESA's decision to place the 97 "B" team in the Premier is going well. Through 4 games, 1GF and 24GA. I don't know if this is a CESA or SCYSA problem. Remember, this team didn't even make the final four of state cup last Spring.
They'll get better. As will the other team in that group from SC that did make cup finals and is currently 6GF and 25GA after 4 games. Give 'em time to learn and improve.
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"Give 'em time to learn and improve." And therein lies the problem Delta Dog ....
What about the other 'more deserving' teams in the state that lost the opportunity to learn and improve??
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I never said I agreed with the rewrite of the rules regarding roster minimums, and I don't. Especially considering the "convenience" of the timing. But, when we were all speculating back in May/June about CESA possibly officially splitting its rosters, I suggested that clubs with teams we thought would be next in line for a spot (maybe 3rd place at cup without an automatic bid) should make "what if" inquiries to SCYSA as well as getting applications submitted "just in case".
I really don't know the answer to this, but of those possibly "next in line" and likely "more deserving" teams how many actually made the inquiries and submitted the applications? Those that did should have a real beef if they didn't get in, but how many actually tried?
Regardless, that beef shouldn't be with the girls of the '97 CESA team. I doubt they got a vote, and like any group of kids on any team representing SC in R3PLE the first year is usually tough and we need to give them a chance to respond to the challenge of a higher level league.
Did coaches, DOC's for the other "more deserving" teams actually apply?
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The fingers are not pointed at the kids but rather at the leadership of CESA and the SCYS Board Members (VP and Piedmont Comm.) who facilitated (and covered up) this farce!
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And what of the leadership at the other clubs? You could see something was coming in May. We didn't know for sure what, but we knew something was coming. Where were the coaches and DOC's from the other clubs at that time? Again, did any step up, voice their questions and concerns or submit those R3PLE applications prior to the application deadline? Or did they just sit back and let the steamroller roll?
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RECCOS, please tell me the other clubs weren't sitting waiting for a letter from CESA saying "Hi, we were wondering if you and/or any of your members would mind too terribly much if CESA..."
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Looks like a failure by SCYSA, to me.
I have had to dot I's and cross T's for stupid reasons for those folks. I can not believe they let this slide. SC politics, and youth sports politics at its finest.
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I'm not arguing any of the points y'all are making about youth sport politics or possible failures at SCYSA, but before placing all blame there I still ask... what did the DOC's at clubs with 3rd place cup teams do for themselves prior to the application deadlines to protect the hopes and interests of those teams (if there really was an interest to play R3PLE)? Which ones applied? If you have a daughter on one of those teams, ask your coach and DOC what they did back in May/June to try getting the team into R3PLE. If they say "Nothing at that time, we just thought...", then focus your gaze there first.
Complaining about politics 2-3 months after the deadlines when the season has started rather than getting involved prior to the deadlines when something could possibly have been done is a little late, don't you think?
Submitting those applications prior to the deadlines would have put those teams into the room where decisions were being made and given those teams notice and a just grievance prior to seaon start if they didn't get in.
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Maybe if CESA continues to transfer game history on got soccer and SIC everyone might start to believe they are one in the same.....
I wonder who gets the old challenge team history?
Challenge teams are being made to look like the old premier team.
Problem...... Losses are starting to pile up.
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Are you saying the DOC at the 3rd place team did NOT apply for R3PL?
Do the parents know the DOC did not apply, but just waited to see if CESA was not applying?
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No, I'm honestly asking the question if they did. Seems some resentment or criticism here that some of the CESA teams may be using the new rules to take places in R3PLE from "more deserving" teams, and that the reason may be politics, rules changes, or maybe just plain old "it's CESA, it's CESA".
Well, I'd put money on the rule change being just what CESA needed 2 weeks before the application deadline in June to split the rosters and keep it's premier spots. But, CESA and SCYSA didn't take anything away from any team that didn't submit an application, as SC has had more than 2 teams in an age group in R3PLE before.
So, my question has been which DOC's of the "more deserving" teams submitted applications in June and didn't get in? Anybody know?
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I wonder who gets the old challenge team history?
Challenge teams are being made to look like the old premier team.
Problem...... Losses are starting to pile up.
Clear the streets and bar the door Miss Kitty, Gun Smoke says thar's losses pilin' up out thar, and I can't find Chester to clean up th' mess.
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Double D you are showing your age......
I will bet Festus' last tooth that someone can confirm a 3rd place team applying for a premier league spot. Just look at the 4th place team that got in over a 3rd.
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Would it be possible to change the leadership of the Region III Premier League East? Not sure how the leaders became it or who they are. Who handles the schedules? Who decides which teams are accepted? There, certainly, should be a process for rotating / replacing those who hold these roles.
Are those who hold these positions affiliated with any particular club or clubs?
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I will bet Festus' last tooth that someone can confirm a 3rd place team applying for a premier league spot. Just look at the 4th place team that got in over a 3rd.
(If Festus is around that would explain why I can't find Chester to clean up the mess.  )
I'm sure you can find a 3rd place team that applied. In u-18 the CESA Premier team (1st place cup) is in the State Challenge League, and Discoveries (3rd place cup) is in R3PLE. Probably no complaints in that age group, so which age group are we really looking at? Must be either u-17 or u-15 (only others with CESA teams in R3PLE to complain about).
Maybe SCUFC '95 Palmetto (3rd place cup u-16) in u-17 didn't want to join SCUFC '95 Elite in R3PLE, don't know maybe someone can confirm or deny. Only other age group would be u-15, and that happens to be the age group where some are pointing to the CESA '97 Premier record thus far. That's probably the age group, and 3rd place cup team would be SCUMP '97 Elite. Top team in that age group from SCUMP playing in State Challenge League with its parents looking at what seems to be a CESA shell game with rosters playing in R3PLE? Yeah, I bet they're grinding some enamel about now, and I can't say I blame them or wouldn't be grinding some of my own about now. But, before we go hanging CESA and SCYSA out to dry let's review a little.
Back in May there was a lot of speculation about if/how CESA would end its dual rostering of players for ECNL/Premier without losing its R3PLE spots given the 50% rule. Apparently CESA figured it out, and on June 2 (2 weeks before the R3PLE application deadline) the SCYSA Coaching Committee voted to abolish the 50% rule. Members of the "Coaching Committee" (according to SCYSA website) include Greg Vallee (Chairman), Kian Brownlee (SCUMP), Tripp Miller (SCUFC), Andrew Hyslop (CESA), Bill Martin (Furman Utd).
Now, I'm not saying I agree with the change abolishing the 50% rule, but as for a "roster shell game"... there is none. As I said in other threads, "each year teams reinvent themselves through tryouts". However, until June 2 that reinvention had a restriction of maintaining 50% of the roster if a team wanted to retain what it had earned. Without the 50% minimum, probably on June 3 CESA essentially cut it's entire '97 Premier roster replacing it with new players through tryouts. Given the current "no minimum" rule the current CESA '97 Premier team IS last year's Premier team, they just replaced all of the players at tryouts rather than half or a few. (Aren't you glad the rule wasn't changed in April? CESA might have filled all those openings at tryouts with players from the coast. Hmmm, when's roster freeze date?) I think the rule change is shortsited, undermines USYS approach to teams "earning" advancement and opens a whole can of worms come State Cup, Regionals and Nationals. But I wasn't on that committee to have a vote. Who was?
As for the "cover up" accusation in a previous post, that rule change seems fairly significant to only require a vote of the "Coaches Committee" without consideration of the other member clubs. However, from the perspective of the SCUMP '97 Elite team (and even the SCUFC '95 Palmetto team) no one should be crying "cover up" as two of the 4 DOC's voting (2 weeks before the R3PLE application deadline) supposedly included the DOC's at SCUMP and SCUFC.
Now, let's drop the "more" or "less" from "deserving" and focus on "deserving". I watched the SCUMP '97 Elite team win that 3rd place cup position, and probably like its parents I would agree they are as capable of competing, "deserving", as the 2 teams currently in R3PLE. However, as with the vote changing that 50% rule, I don't get one and neither do those parents. The real question I see is... regardless of what was going to happen with the 50% rule, regardless of whether CESA gave up a spot to go ECNL only or use its automatic bid for R3PLE, did the SCUMP DOC see the team as capable or "deserving" of an R3PLE spot and act on that team's behalf by submitting an application for that team? If not and I were a parent from that team, I'd start there before going after CESA and SCYSA. I do see in the minutes from the August 6 meeting that Kian brought up the application process. Hopefully he was asking about the 2013 application process or a process not related to R3PLE... in August.
And, if the complaints here are not related to SCUMP '97 Elite not being in R3PLE, then I'll risk showing my age again by quoting Miss Emily Litella... "Oh. Never mind."
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Very well said and explained for the masses.
I would only add that what happens for the 98s in the spring remains to be seen.
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Thanks, but that's not all remaining to be seen. In May I suggested other clubs start checking into R3PLE applications for maybe the 3rd place teams. Now people are complaining in September.
Here's this month's suggestion...
Take another look at those minutes from the August meeting. Y'all better find out what Pearse is talking about with “club pass can be used by six clubs, six different ways”. And get the answers sometime before Monday, the day after State Cup.
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U14G Predicted Finish
1. TopHat
2. Jacksonville United
3. Sunrise
4. SSA
5. SCU/MP
6. North Atlanta SA
7. Charlotte United FC
8. Pitt Greenville
9. Lake Norman
10. CASL
11. Chiefs Futbol
12. CESA
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U14G Predicted Finish
1. TopHat
2. Jacksonville United
3. Sunrise
4. SSA
5. SCU/MP
6. North Atlanta SA
7. Charlotte United FC
8. Pitt Greenville
9. Lake Norman
10. CASL
11. Chiefs Futbol
12. CESA
Good luck to both SC teams. I think the CESA Premier team is better than you think, and I believe the SCUMP team could be of the top teams in the league. They can play with any team on the list. It will just depend on if they pull out the wins week to week. That's just my thought, and we will see as the season goes on. Hopefully both teams do better than expected.
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All SC teams kick off their season this weekend in Jacksonville.
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