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When 2 of the biggest names in U.S. soccer defend H.S. soccer it has to mean something. Probably not though... Donovan prefers H.S. soccer
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Doesn't make any sense coming from him...since he went to IMG soccer academy
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Maybe he realizes what he missed.
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More accurately, he fondly recollects his brief high school "career," while generally understanding, if not openly endorsing, the current U.S. soccer decision.
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High school soccer is fine. Academy soccer is fine. Club soccer is fine. ALL THREE have pros and cons, that many of us have witnessed up close, in multiple settings, over a period of years. None of the three is perfect.
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More accurately, he fondly recollects his brief high school "career," while generally understanding, if not openly endorsing, the current U.S. soccer decision.
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High school soccer is fine. Academy soccer is fine. Club soccer is fine. ALL THREE have pros and cons, that many of us have witnessed up close, in multiple settings, over a period of years. None of the three is perfect.
Well said!!!
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The problem is the players selected. From what I've gathered, the SCDA team is hardly representative of the Top 1% of available players of SC, much less that USA. In fact, some would have a hard time making all-region or all-area teams, much less all-state and "national" caliber sides. I don't care how good the training is, the environment, the facilities, etc. truly are, if you don't have the BEST players, it's all for naught. The other issue is the cost. I know of families that have paid $3,000-$5,000 a year for what will ultimately equate to possible a D2 future. Weird.
I was always the guy getting kicked out of my classes at school for having an attitude problem.
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The problem is the players selected. From what I've gathered, the SCDA team is hardly representative of the Top 1% of available players of SC, much less that USA. In fact, some would have a hard time making all-region or all-area teams, much less all-state and "national" caliber sides. I don't care how good the training is, the environment, the facilities, etc. truly are, if you don't have the BEST players, it's all for naught. The other issue is the cost. I know of families that have paid $3,000-$5,000 a year for what will ultimately equate to possible a D2 future. Weird.
Everything you say is absolutely correct!
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The players selected are not the problem. The players on the Academy are very good. Are there more very good players who could help the team? Yes. But those players do not try out. The coaches in the Club pick the best kids who try out for the team.
Lvrpul, perhaps your son was not able to try out for the team... in which case that is unfortunate because academy is the future.
Or, maybe he did try out and was not selected.
Either way, the best players who try out for the team are selected by the coaching staff
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Logisitics have a lot to do with this. There is no Academy in the GSP-A area. But there is CESA. Kids have a choice...stay home and play for CESA or drive 1-2 hours each way, 3-4 times per week to play Academy.
I'm a big Academy fan.....but if we lived in the Upstate my kids would be at CESA.
I do think SCU gets 90-95% of the "1 percenters" in the Coastal area and the Columbia area. You aren't going to get a "State" team without people driving huge distances.
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The players selected are not the problem. The players on the Academy are very good. Are there more very good players who could help the team? Yes. But those players do not try out. The coaches in the Club pick the best kids who try out for the team.
Lvrpul, perhaps your son was not able to try out for the team... in which case that is unfortunate because academy is the future.
Or, maybe he did try out and was not selected.
Either way, the best players who try out for the team are selected by the coaching staff
Dont make me laugh this early in the morning
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Logisitics have a lot to do with this. There is no Academy in the GSP-A area. But there is CESA. Kids have a choice...stay home and play for CESA or drive 1-2 hours each way, 3-4 times per week to play Academy.
I'm a big Academy fan.....but if we lived in the Upstate my kids would be at CESA.
I do think SCU gets 90-95% of the "1 percenters" in the Coastal area and the Columbia area. You aren't going to get a "State" team without people driving huge distances.
There are many older academy eligible kids who drive from Columbia and Charleston 4+ hours to play at CESA, if the Acadmey is all that why dont they just play there? My guess is that it isn't all that because it isnt a true "academy". If it was it would attract ALL of the best players and all of the best coaches.
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As one whose son has played for extended periods in club, high school and Academy, I'd only say that each has its strengths.
Club is a convenient, reasonably cost-effective way for many kids to compete at a very high level. (The point about geographic proximity has some validity).
High school soccer is inexpensive, convenient, a great "social" venue, and (in a minority of situations) competitive enough. From a purely competitive/developmental standpoint, many "elite" athletes effectively outgrow high school fairly quickly, and for them, there is a point of diminishing returns. From what I've seen, junior year.
The Academy, while not perfect, is getting better. More coaches are involved, the cost is decreasing, and the competitive level increasing. This past year, both age groups won their regions; a first. This is not to say it's perfect -- what is? -- but it's on a positive track.
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An aside here: the comment about 1-percenters is a bit ridiculous, on two levels. If you look at this past season's U18 Academy side, many will play Division I soccer. A number of the U16s have already committed to that level.
Similarly, many CESA kids will play D-I as well, which is great.
A mythical single "all-star" team at the U18 age would doubtless include representatives of both, which would seem to imply that both are doing something right.
In general, the kids are a lot less hung up on this than the parents.
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