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2004 Palmetto Cup

Full schedule (Adobe Acrobat) -- Palmetto Cup Schedule

There are many great teams competing over spring break in the 2004 Palmetto cup. Teams such as Spring Valley (defending champs), Porter Gaud ( runners up 03), Christ Church, Norman North-OK, Cardinal Newman, Dorman, Greenwood, Hilton Head, Lexington,Pendleton,Pinewood Prep, Ridge View, Riverside, Summerville,West Florence, and of course the host of the tournament Brookland Cayce. So as you can see this tournament lacks no talented teams and will be EXTREMELY competitive.

It is extremely hard to predict a winner of the tourney... but how about it?.. any predictions?

Not Lexington or "Ltown"as you call it

wheres it at

Brookland-Cayce High School hosts the Palmetto Cup. Matches will be held at The Cage on the campus of BCHS and at Eagle Stadium on the Airport HS campus. For more information visit www.scsoccer.com/bcsoccer for the Palmetto Cup schedule April 7-10.

Group A: Riverside

Group B: Summerville

Group C: Christ Church

Group D: Norman North

Where can I get directions to there

This should get you to BCHS from most parts of the state -- DIRECTIONS.

Ok my predictions are as follows A:Really a toss up BC has excellent talent Riverside also and Lexington. B:Spring Valley simply b/c they were runners up in CSC in Charleston this year. C:Ridge View a good 4a team. D: Norman North just because 3rd NATIONALLY last year top shelf stuff right there.

Despite what ACLman says... I believe group A is a real toss up .. 4 good teams there

we've got a tough draw, We are coming up from the middle of spring break... 1st game, Norman North 9:15.

Listed below are the collegiate programs formally invited to the 2004 Palmetto Cup:

NORTH CAROLINA
Davidson College, D1
East Carolina University, D1
Lees-McRae College, D2
Queens University, D2
UNC Charlotte, D1
Wingate University, D2

SOUTH CAROLINA
Anderson College, D2
Clemson University, D1
Coastal Carolina University, D1
College of Charleston, D1
Coker College, D2
Francis Marion University, D2
Furman University, D1
Lander University, D2
Limestone College, D2
North Greenville College, D2
Presbyterian College, D2
Southern Wesleyan, D2
University of South Carolina, D1
USC Aiken, D2
USC Spartanburg, D2
Winthrop University, D1
Wofford College, D1

Charleston Southern and The Citadel no longer have men's soccer programs, while Erskine and Newberry do not have men's head coaches named at this time.

VIRGINIA
Emory & Henry College, D3
Hampden-Sydney College, D3

Thanks for all your work kyle, I saw the updated scores for us- we played several scrimmages and used several players- we have 87 on the roster, we'll bring the best 20 and see what we can do-looking forward to it. Bryan Young

87 on the roster? Dadgum - Pinewood doesn't even have 87 boys in the high school!

Looking forward to seeing Norman play. Wish you all safe travels.

Group A - Riverside- because some of their players play club at St. Giles Celtic
Group B - Spring Valley- because they have played a tough schedule and are prepared to defend title.
Group C - Ridge View-tougher schedule played compared to Hilton Head.
Group D - Norman, no question. Always big, strong. Other teams in D bracket are weak Plus Dreher will not have top goalie

2004striker
I've seen Dreher play several times this year and would not characterize them as "weak". After loosing their first game of the year to Dutch Fork, they have won 10 of 12 games and only given up 6 goals in those 12 games. Why won't their goalie be playing in the tournament?

87 our football team doesn't have 87!!!! WOW!

striker, how would you know that Dreher's goalie won't be playing next week? Are you him or a friend?

he is part of the ODP team going to England over spring break.

87 player probably refer to the whole program, Varsity, JV and B team, maybe Middle school team as well. How big of school is Norman North??

I'm off to SB... see you guys there.

See you next week!

The first match of the Palmetto Cup will be at 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 7 between Class 2A #4 Pendleton and Class 4A #13 Spring Valley. The Vikings are the defending Palmetto Cup Champions. Should be a great start to the tourney!

Ticket prices are $4 for individual matches and $12 for a tourney pass that will be good for all games. Only SCHSL passes will be accepted!

For more information, please check out the Bearcat Soccer web site at www.scsoccer.com/bcsoccer

[ April 06, 2004, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: Kyle Heise ]

Just checked CollegeSoccerNews.com and noticed that Norman North's goalkeeper, Dominic Cervi, has signed with Tulsa University.

The Golden Hurricane (13-6-2 in 2003) advanced to the NCAA Second Round last year by defeating Oakland in overtime the First Round before dropping an overtime decision at UCLA in the Second Round. Tulsa finished 6-1-2 in the Missouri Valley Conference.

Dominic Cervi -- A goalkeeper from Norman, Oklahoma out of Norman North High. Named All-Conference First Team in 2003. As a junior was named the Oklahoma Defensive Player of the Year by the Daily Oklahoman after helping take Norman North to a state title.

Also, a former Gamecock has joined the Golden Hurricane after two seasons in Columbia.

Lawson Vaughn -- A midfielder from Marietta, Georgia who transferred to Tulsa prior to the 2004 spring semester from the University of South Carolina where he started 33 out of 34 games in two seasons.

If anybody noticed that Norman North was ranked 10th in the National poll. I would loved to see Norman play Socastee. Does anyone who looks at Socastee's schedule think that should be Ranked Number 1 in the nation? Who votes on this poll, does anyone see these team play?

Norman North vs. Socastee 4-1
what you think??

who says we are number 1?

Just a reminder that the Palmetto Cup will get underway tomorrow (Wednesday, April 7) at 6 pm at The Cage on the campus of Brookland-Cayce High School with a match between Pendleton and defending Palmetto Cup Champion Spring Valley.

For the tourney schedule, please visit - www.scsoccer.com/bcsoccer/2004PalmettoCup.PDF

For directions to BCHS or our other host site at Airport High School, please visit - www.scsoccer.com/bcsoccer/pc_directions.htm

Admission for the tournament is $12 for a tourney pass or $4 for individual game tickets. Only SCHSL tickets will be accepted.

Hope to see you in Cayce-West Columbia this week!

2004 PALMETTO CUP
Hosted by Brookland-Cayce HS

Wednesday, April 7 @ The Cage
Spring Valley (9-7) 4-1 Pendleton (9-6) -- (SV 9 PTS / PHS 1 PT)

Thursday, April 8 @ Eagle Stadium
Dreher (10-2-2) 2-2 Dorman (8-6-1) -- (Dorman 5 PTS / Dreher 5 PTS)
Lexington (5-8-1) 0-2 Riverside (10-1) -- (RHS 9 PTS / LHS '-1' PT)
Christ Church (4-5) 0-3 Hilton Head (14-2) -- (HH 10 PTS / CC 0 PTS)
West Florence (10-5) 0-4 Dreher (11-2-2) -- (WF 0 PTS / DHS 10 PTS)
Pinewood Prep (9-3-1) 1-3 Spring Valley (10-7) -- (PP 1 PT / SV 9 PTS)
Riverside (11-1) 4-0 Porter-Gaud (5-6-1) -- (RHS 10 PTS / PG 0 PTS)

Thursday, April 8 @ The Cage
Norman North-OK (5-1-1) 6-0 West Florence (10-4) -- (NN 10 PTS / WF 0 PTS)
Porter-Gaud (5-5-1) 0-2 Brookland-Cayce (9-5-1) -- (BC 9 PTS / PG 0 PTS)
Summerville (14-2-1) 3-0 Pendleton (9-7) -- (SV 10 PTS / PHS 0 PTS)
Dorman (8-7-1) 0-9 Norman North-OK (6-1-1) -- (DHS 0 PTS / NN 10 PTS)
Brookland-Cayce (9-5-2) 1-1 Lexington (5-8-2) -- (BC 4 PTS / LHS 4 PTS)
Greenwood (9-4-1) 1-4 Ridge View (12-4-1) -- (GHS 1 PT / RV 9 PTS)

Friday, April 9 @ Eagle Stadium
Hilton Head (15-2) 4-0 Greenwood (9-5-1) -- (HH 10 PTS / GHS 0 PTS)
Summerville (15-2-1) 4-2 Pinewood Prep (9-4-1) -- (S 9 PTS / PP 2 PTS)
Dreher (11-3-2) 0-2 Norman North-OK (7-1-1) -- (D '-2' PTS / NN 9 PTS)
Greenwood (10-5-1) 3-2 Christ Church (4-6-1) -- (GHS 7 PTS / CC 2 PTS)
Dorman (8-8-1) 1-2 West Florence (11-4) -- (D 1 PT / WF 8 PTS)
Pinewood Prep (9-5-1) 4-3 Pendleton (9-8) -- (PP 9 PTS / PHS 3 PTS)

Friday, April 9 @ The Cage
Christ Church (4-5-1) 1-1 Ridge View (12-4-2) -- (CC 4 PTS / RV 4 PTS)
Lexington (6-8-2) 3-0 Porter-Gaud (5-7-1) -- (L 10 PTS / PG 0 PTS)
Ridge View (12-5-2) 1-5 Hilton Head (16-2) -- (RV 1 PT / HH 9 PTS)
Brookland-Cayce (9-6-2) 1-2 Riverside (12-1) -- (B-C 1 PT / RHS 8 PTS)
Spring Valley (11-7) 2-1 Summerville (15-3-1) -- (SV 8 PTS / SV 1 PT)

Saturday, April 10 @ Eagle Stadium
Hilton Head (16-3) 0-2 Norman North (8-1-1) -- Norman North advances to Championship
11:30 am -- Christ Church vs. P.M. Dorman
1:30 pm -- Greenwood vs. West Florence
3:30 pm -- Ridge View vs. Dreher

Saturday, April 10 @ The Cage
Riverside (13-1) 1-0 (OT) Spring Valley (11-8) -- Riverside Advances to Championship
12:30 pm -- Porter-Gaud vs. Pendleton
2:30 pm -- Lexington vs. Pinewood Prep
4:30 pm -- Brookland-Cayce vs. Summerville
7 pm -- Riverside vs. Norman North (CHAMPIONSHIP)

[ April 10, 2004, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Dave Easley ]

Palmetto Cup Box Scores

Spring Valley 4-1 Pendleton
@ The Cage (4/7/04)

Goals: (SV) Mike Clements, Paddy Flynn, Will Revson, Chase Rowell; (P) Christopher Cullen. Assists: (SV) Flynn, Revson. Shots: (SV) 25; (P) 10. Saves: (SV) Kevin McCarthy 6; (P) Jeremy Johnson 10. Records: (SV) 9-7; (P) 9-6.

Dorman 2-2 Dreher
@ Eagle Stadium (4/8/04, 9:15 AM)

Goals: (Dr) Sean Baier, Richard Simons; (Do) Josh Galvarino, Luke Dimaggio; Assist: (Dr) Carl Anderson; Saves: (Dr) Eric Helms 1; (Do) Jack Ryan McDonald 3; Matt Essman 1; Records: (Dr) 10-2-2; (Do) 8-6-1.

Riverside 2-0 Lexington
@ Eagle Stadium (4/8/04, 11:30 AM)

Goals: (RHS) Robert Moore, Robbie McRight; Assists: (RHS) Kyle Feeney; Saves: (RHS) Cody Gray, 1; (LHS) Will Faulkner 4; Records: (RHS) 10-1; (LHS) 5-8-1.

Pendleton 0-3 Summerville
@ The Cage (4/8/04, 2:30 PM)

Goals: (S) Travon Pendarvis, Torin Seprich, Own Goal; Assists: (S) Pendarvis; Saves: (S) Todd Wogamon, 2; (P) Jeremy Johnson, 6; Records: (S) 14-2-1; (P) 9-7.

Hilton Head 3-0 Christ Church
@ Eagle Stadium (4/8/04, 2:30 PM)

Goals: (HH) Giancarlo Rodriguez, Carlos Stout, Luis Justiniano; Assist: (HH) Diego Miranda; Saves: (HH) Mike McCullion 4; (CC) Matt Thiesen, 8; Records: (HH) 14-2; (CC) 4-5.

Norman North 9-0 P.M. Dorman
@ The Cage (4/8/04, 4:15 PM)

Goals: (NN) Jimmy Anderson (3), Logan Rogers (2), Will Yeary, Jake Krattiger, Tyler Brady, Blake Burget; Assists: (NN) Riley Mullinix, Krattiger (2), Rogers, Mark McAuley; Saves: (NN) Dominic Cervi, 2; (D) Jack Ryan McDonald, 9; Records: (NN) 6-1-1, (D) 8-7-1;

Dreher 4-0 West Florence
@ Eagle Stadium (4/8/04, 4:15 PM)

Goals: (DHS) Ben Wislinski, Benny Smith (2), Elliot Dillihay; Assists: (DHS) Richard Simons, Sean Bayer (2); Saves: (DHS) Eric Helms, 1; (WF) Matt Parker (5); Records: (DHS) 11-2-2, (WF) 10-5.

Lexington 1-1 Brookland-Cayce
@ The Cage (4/8/04, 6:00 PM)

Goals: (L)Dom Pierallini, (B-C) Andrew Evans; Assists: (B-C) Tristen Seabrook; Saves: (L) Will Faulkner, 4; (B-C) Hans Weed, 6; Records: (L) 5-8-2, (B-C) 9-5-2.

Pinewood Prep 1-3 Spring Valley
@ Eagle Stadium (4/8/04, 6:00 PM)

Goals: (SV) Chase Rowell (3), (PP) Lawrence Reed; Assists: (SV) Paddy Flynn, Will Revson; Saves: (SV) Kevin McCarthy 2, (PP) J.D. Spearman 5; Records: (SV) 10-7, (PP) 9-3-1.

Ridge View 4-1 Greenwood
@ The Cage (4/8/04, 7:45 PM)

Goals: (RV) Mark Weston (2), Travis Gerrald, David Simpson; (G) Chris Kinard; Assists: (RV) Milton Pusada; Saves: (RV) Travis Gawler, 3; (G) Ken Hosoe, 6; Ben Shirley, 7; Records: (RV) 11-4-1, (G) 9-4-1.

Riverside 4-0 Porter-Gaud
@ Eagle Stadium (4/8/04, 7:45 PM)

Goals: (RHS) Kyle Feeney, Jake Mitchell, Patrick Bueno, Zack Husk; Assists: (RHS) Chris Harrison; Saves: (RHS) Hunter DeMint, 1; (P-G) Nat Estes, 8; Records: (RHS) 11-1, (P-G) 5-6-1.

Greenwood 0-4 Hilton Head
@ Eagle Stadium (4/9/04, 9:15 AM)

Goals: (HH) Christian Gandinin (2), Diego Miranda, Luis Ruiz; Assists: (HH) Ian Fleming, Paul Vecchioni, Carlos Stout; Saves: (GHS) Ken Hosoe, 2; (HH) Mike McCullion, 1; Records: (G) 9-5-1, (HH) 15-2.

Ridge View 1-1 Christ Church
@ The Cage (4/9/04, 9:15 AM)

Goals: (RV) Richard Ellison, (CC) Fletcher McCraw; Assists: (RV) Mark Weston; Saves: (RV) Travis Gawler, 5; (CC) Matt Thiessen, 6; Records: (RV) 12-4-2; (CC) 4-5-1.

Pinewood Prep 2-4 Sommerville
@ Eagle Stadium (4/9/04, 11:00 AM)

Goals: (S) Torin Seprish, Daniel Frye (2), Travon Pendarvis; (PP) Casper Langhoff, Ray Ferro; Assists: (PP) Boris Braeuning; Saves: (S) Todd Wogamon, 6; (PP) J.D. Spearman; Records: (S) 15-2-1, (PP) 9-4-1.

Norman North 2-0 Dreher
@ Eagle Stadium (4/9/04, 2:30 PM)

Goals: (NN) Riley Mullinix, Logan Rogers; Saves: (NN) Dominic Cervi, 4; (D) Eric Helms, 12; Records: (NN) 7-1-1, (D) 11-3-2.

Christ Church 2-3 Greenwood
@ Eagle Stadium (4/9/04, 4:15 PM)

Goals: (CC) Bobby McCall, Fletcher McCraw; (G) Chad Perkins, Jay Bishop (2); Assist: (G) David Hobson; Saves: (CC) Matt Thiesen, 3; (G) Ken Hosoe, 5; Records: (G) 10-5-1, (CC) 4-6-1

West Florence 2-1 P.M. Dorman
@ Eagle Stadium (4/9/04, 6:00 PM)

Goals: (WF) Jordy Jordan, Joseph Burch; (D) Talon Stroud; Assists: (WF) Joseph Hoefer (2); (D) Josh Galvarino; Saves: (WF) Matt Parker, 5; (D) Wes Turner, 1; Records: (WF) 10-5, (D) 8-8-1.

Pendleton 3-4 Pinewood Prep
@ Eagle Stadium (4/9/04, 7:45 PM)

Goals: (PP) Jose Moreno, Lawrence Reed (2), Roger Kudrzycki; (Pen) M.J. Barrs (2), Reeves Miller; Assists: (PP) Ben Stroud (2), Moreno, Kudrzycki; (Pen) Jesse Price; Saves: (PP) J.D. Spearman, 6; (Pen) Jeremy Johnson, 9; Records: (PP) 10-4-1; (Pen) 9-8.

Norman North 2-0 Hilton Head
@ Eagle Stadium (4/10/04, 9:30 AM)

Goals: (NN) Logan Rogers (2); Assist: (NN) Russ Coleman; Saves: (NN) Dominic Cervi, 2; (HH) Mike McCullion, 4; Records: (NN) 8-1-1; (HH) 16-3.

Norman North 6-0 West Florence
@ The Cage (4/8/04, 9:15 AM)

Goals: (NN) Jimmy Anderson 2, Hunter Hoelscher, Jake Krattiger, Mark McAuley, Logan Rogers. Assists: (NN) Scott Gillis 2, Anderson, McAuley, Corby Thompson, Will Yeary. Saves: (NN) Dominic Cervi 0, Tyler Earley 0; (WF) Matt Parker 8. Records: (NN) 4-0; (WF) 10-4.

Brookland-Cayce 2-0 Porter-Gaud
@ The Cage (4/8/04, 11:30 AM)

Goals: (BC) Andrew Richardson, Adam Rodriguez. Assists: (BC) Kevin Ros, Les Sonefeld. Saves: (BC) Hans Weed 0; (PG) Nat Estes 11. Records: (BC) 9-5-1; (PG) 5-5-1.

Thanks for the updates. It's nice for those of us that have to work!

Kyle, On page 2 you have Lexington getting 1 point for losing to Riverside 2 - 0. Is that right? Porter-Gaud didn't get any points for losing to Brookland-Cayce 2 - 0. What's the difference? Thanks for clearing it up.

I can't attend the tournament this year.
Anyone like to compare Norman with our state teams in the tournament. Style of play, tactics, size/speed, etc.?

Coach, Lexington was awarded (-1) points (lost a point) for a double yellow (technical red). Tournament rules have (-1) awarded for technical red cards, and (-2) awarded for straight red cards. Dave

I can't believe that Norman North destroyed Dorman like that. I figured a 5-0, but 9-0, holy cow! Norman must have had a really strong showing, can anyone elaborate?

I did a bit of looking on the net.

Go to these sites. Will give some concept of Norman North high school and the its boys varsity soccer program. Norman sounds like a strong soccer town.


http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/browse_school/ok/1068/

http://www.eteamz.com/nnboyssoccer/

Did Cardinal Newman drop out of the tournament?

2004 Palmetto Cup
Hosted by Brookland-Cayce High School - Cayce/West Columbia, SC

WEDNESDAY, 4/7 @ The Cage
Spring Valley 4-1 Pendleton

THURSDAY, 4/8 @ Eagle Stadium
Dorman 2-2 Dreher
Riverside 2-0 Lexington
Hilton Head 3-0 Christ Church
Dreher 4-0 West Florence
Spring Valley 3-1 Pinewood Prep
Riverside 4-0 Porter-Gaud

THURSDAY, 4/8 @ The Cage
Norman North-OK 6-0 West Florence
Brookland-Cayce 2-0 Porter-Gaud
Summerville 3-0 Pendleton
Norman North-OK 9-0 Dorman
Brookland-Cayce 1-1 Lexington
Ridge View 4-1 Greenwood

Friday, April 9 @ Eagle Stadium
Hilton Head 4-0 Greenwood
Summerville 4-2 Pinewood Prep
Dreher 0-2 Norman North-OK
Greenwood 3-2 Christ Church
Dorman 1-2 West Florence
Pinewood Prep 4-3 Pendleton

Friday, April 9 @ The Cage
Christ Church 1-1 Ridge View
Lexington 3-0 Porter-Gaud
Ridge View 1-5 Hilton Head
Brookland-Cayce 1-2 Riverside
Spring Valley 2-1 Summerville

Saturday, April 10 @ Eagle Stadium
Hilton Head 0-2 Norman North
11:30 am -- Christ Church vs. Dorman
1:30 pm -- Greenwood vs. West Florence
3:30 pm -- Ridge View vs. Dreher

Saturday, April 10 @ The Cage
Riverside 1-0 (OT) Spring Valley
12:30 pm -- Porter-Gaud vs. Pendleton
2:30 pm -- Lexington vs. Pinewood Prep
4:30 pm -- Brookland-Cayce vs. Summerville

Championship Match @ The Cage
7 pm -- Norman North vs. Riverside

Kyle Heise, Director
2004 Palmetto Cup
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[ April 10, 2004, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: Dave Easley ]

I don't think Cardinal Newman was ever schduled to play in the tourny this year. Because we are a Catholic School, the diocese does not allow athletic events to be held on Christian Holidays and today is Good Friday. This is an unofficial answer to the question.

I see that Norman has 27 players on its Varsity roster, I wonder if all of them suit up on game day? How large a crew did they bring with them for the tournament?

Poor Dreher.......playing Norman and without their top keeper! Maybe they will have to play all defensive game and not try to score. It may still end up at least 7-0.

Cardinal Newman was originally scheduled. But the Bishop decreed that neither Cardinal Newman nor Bishop England could participate due to it falling on the Holy Week. This is the second year in a row that BE was unable to attend. Next year, the Palmetto Cup will be the week following Easter. Dave

If Hilton Head gets by Ridge View, which they will, then they will be in semi v. Norman with best chance of any team to compete with them.

Yes, I have to agree ^. In the Christ Church/Hilton Head game HH played superbly, they were making great passes and they made no crucial mistakes that ever gave CC a good shot. It was 2-0 until about stoppage time when a HH player booted one in from about 20 or so yards out. But nonetheless HH dominated possession and deserved this victory...

But I still do not know if they can overcome Norman. Of course you probably heard that Dorman was crushed 9-0 and that is about right. But watching the game it just seemed so effortless on the part of the NN players, I do not even recall how they scored all of those goals! They were very fast however, kicked some great balls, excellent in the air and were very intense on the attack. My brother said he counted out about 8 guys in the box on one attack!

My prediction (if HH goes on, I haven't seen Ridge View play) HH 1 NN 3.

I haven't seen any games, but it sounds like a team must need a great defense to stay with Norman. The other semi between SV and Riverside should be good, and both SV and Riverside have good defenes.

I was very disappointed with the Riverside vs Porter Gaud game. What happened with PD team they only had 10 guys play in the game. I am surpise that the score was only 4-0 because it was 3-0 15 minutes into the game. it is just frustrating that I payed 8$ (myself and my wife).


I think the final is going to be Riverside vs Norman. That will be great I hope.

What was the -2 pts against Dreher?

What was the score of the NN game this afternoon?

2-0 Norman over Dreher. Dreher must have had a red card as well.

Thank you

2004Striker
It seems that the "back up" for Dreher did ok.2-0 vs. Norman-North is not quite the 7-0 you predicted. 1-1-1 in a tough draw with 18 players is fine with us. Have a nice day and make sure you know what you are talking about before posting.....

All scores are being updated back on both pages 2 and 3 of this thread. All box scores are being updated as we find the time in the press box. Check back every half-hour to hour for scoring and schedule updates.

Dreher played quite hard. NN had 18 shots to Dreher's 4, Of those 18, Eric Helms made 12 saves -- a couple of really outstanding ones. Dreher received a straight red for a punch thrown and indeed lost 2 points.

Well, I guess I could be wrong here if there is something I'm missing but these are the teams I THINK are guaranteed in.

Group A: Riverside--uh, they beat everyone in their group.
Group B: Summerville/Spring Valley--I think it comes down to whoever wins this one will win the group.
Group C: Hilton Head--they beat everyone.
Group D: Norman North (OK)--beat everyone, pretty much dominated all but one.

It's Group C vs. D (should be a pretty good game IMO)

And of course the two remaining groups A and B. Have to pull for Riverside there. This has been a pretty interesting tourny though to say the least!

You are correct. The schedule is up-to-date with pairings on both pages 2 and 3.

Any final on the SV-Summerville game?

Palmetto Cup - Final Day Updates:

Norman North 2-0 Hilton Head
Riverside 1-0 (OT) Spring Valley

Championship Match, 7:00 PM in The Cage:
Norman North vs. Riverside

Other scores from today:

Christ Church 2-0 Dorman
Greenwood 1-0 West Florence
Porter-Gaud 3-0 Pendleton
Lexington 4-2 Pinewood Prep
Ridge View 1-1 Dreher
Brookland-Cayce 0-0 Summerville

All scores we had time to post can be found on pages 2 and 3 of this thread. We will update the board as soon as we can. Thank you for your interest in the 2004 Palmetto Cup.

Uh oh. Riverside is a good team, I enjoyed watching them play but I think NN is too much for them. Riverside will have to play a virtually flawless game and get some breaks to win against this powerhouse. Perhaps NN deserves it since they haven't given up a goal yet (this is correct right)! And have played consistently well but hopefully you guys agree this cup shouldn't be won by a non Carolina team! I have nothing serious against NN but I have to pull for Riverside.

My guess though...NN 3 RHS 0

I, personally would like to see a team from SC win the title but i think it is great for the tournament and the state that we are attracting teams like this to the state.

final score... NN 2 Riverside 0 ... decent game but NN possessed the ball very well and for most of the game... beautiful rip by NN that hit the corner of the post but out... both sides were very physical and not afraid to do a little acting for calls a couple of times... 1st half was a pretty even match but 2nd half was all in favor of NN. they wanted it more it seemed like. and it showed on the scoreboard as they scored both goals in the 2nd half... one 6 or so minutes in and the other about 5 minutes before the end of the game if i am not mistaken... many fast players and both teams moved the ball around well... good game to watch...

Well, I suppose it is somewhat dissapointing that Riverside lost (to me anyway) but NN was impressive the time I saw them and considering EVERY one of their games were shutouts, they probably do deserve it. Good to hear it was a relatively close game, good tournament and good luck to both teams in the future.

Well, I too am sad that Riverside lost, but after seeing the first day of games, I thought that Riverside or Summerville were the only teams that would have the physical presence and skill combination to match Norman North.

The thing I was amazed with was the logistical smoothness that the tournament flowed with, at least from what I saw as a spectator. I'm talking about referees on time, teams at the fields, kick offs at the posted times, substantial warm-up areas adjacent to the fields, kick off times allowed for adequate warm-up time on the game field, really good, reasonably priced chili dogs. The only thing is that maybe next year we could recruit some out of town referees (and pay them) to create 3-man systems. I know some less experienced referees would be willing to travel and run lines. Referee assignors could communicate and send the best 1-2 from each the upstate and lower state each day. This way, those referees could work 3 games in a day and not have stay overnight. If you want to know exactly how I got to this number, e-mail me. A tournament of this stature and these great teams deserve the 3-man system for every game.

Not enough can be said for the quality work that Kevin, Kyle, Will, the referee assignor for the mid-state (sorry, i draw a blank) and everyone else involved with the Palmetto Cup does every year. This is a prime example of how to run a big time tournament, or any tourney for that matter. Other schools, and clubs for that matter, could learn a lesson or two.

that would've been better, but i felt the reffs that were there called great games.

It was an honor to be apart of this tournament. Easily the best run i've ever seen.

I was kind of surprised that the tourney ran a 2 ref system..even for the Championship match..but it really didn't seem to effect the match that much. The refs kept up with the game and were well positioned to catch the offsides.

I definitely regret never being a part of this tournament..but I can't do anything about that. I can say that as long as it is put on..I'll come to watch.

(It should be even better next year since CN and BE will be able to join..can't wait)

On behalf of Kev/Kyle/Will, et. al., we'd love to have the whole tourney run with the three-man system -- it is a matter of numbers, we've been told, not funding for officials ... Dennis Cook does a great job of assigning officials given the number available in the Midlands. We had only one official late for an assignment (first time in tournament history that an official delayed the start of a match).

Riverside and Norman North were the best teams in the tournament, from what I saw -- Norman North possibly the best high school soccer squad I've ever seen. However the level of competition in this tournament is always tremendous, so nobody should feel like I'm knocking them.

Major kudos to Kevin and Kyle especially, for they do the overwhelming majority of the work. It takes a lot of time and effort to invite and maintain excellent tournament fields. We all take a lot of pride in running this tournament the way we think one should be run, and how we think participants and spectators would like it run. There are always areas which could be improved but we try to learn from our mistakes.

I am proud to have been a part of the tournament since its inception, and one of the reasons I stay with it despite no longer teaching is because it is such a class act. Thanks to every staff member and volunteer who helped with the tournament this season. Hope to see everyone again in May during Championship Weekend ... and as many as I can see throughout the rest of the season. Good luck to all participants, and thanks for taking an interest in the 2004 Palmetto Cup.

Final Standings:
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GROUP WINNERS:
Champion - Norman North (5-0, 46 Pts out of 50 possible)
Runner-Up - Riverside (4-1, 35 Pts)
3rd Place - Hilton Head (3-1, 29 Pts)
4th Place - Spring Valley (3-1, 26 Pts)
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GROUP RUNNERS-UP:
5th Place - Summerville (2-1-1, 24 Pts)
6th Place - Ridge View (2-1-1, 19 Pts)
7th Place - Dreher (1-1-2, 18 Pts)
8th Place - Brookland-Cayce (1-1-2, 18 Pts)
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GROUP NUMBER THREE:
9th Place - Lexington (2-1-1, 22 Pts)
10th Place - Greenwood (2-2, 15 Pts)
11th Place - Pinewood Prep (1-3, 14 Pts)
12th Place - West Florence (1-3, 8 Pts)
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GROUP NUMBER FOUR:
13th Place - Christ Church (1-2-1, 14 Pts)
14th Place - Porter-Gaud (1-3, 9 Pts)
15th Place - Dorman (0-3-1, 6 Pts)
16th Place - Pendleton (0-4, 4 Pts)
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Note: Despite possibly having more cumulative points, teams who were group champions could finish no lower than fourth, group runners-up could finish fifth thru eighth, etc.

Great mainstream prep sports exposure from our friends at SCVARSITY.COM and in particular Jim Baxter!

The Palmetto Cup will be featured in the upcoming edition of The Sports News print publication as well!

Another soccer post concerning the Palmetto Cup on SCVARSITY.COM - 2004 Palmetto Cup Results

Palmetto Cup Newspaper Articles:

North Makes a National Impression
http://www.normantranscript.com/story.php?story_id=9703&c=3
The Norman Transcript, 4/11/04

Riverside Relies on Penalty Kick Confidence
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/high_school/8399964.htm
The State, 4/10/04

North Moves Into Semifinal
http://www.normantranscript.com/story.php?story_id=9665&c=3
The Norman Transcript, 4/9/04

Sluggish Bearcats Manage a Victory
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/high_school/8390937.htm
The State, 4/9/04

T-Wolves Answer Coach's Challenge
http://www.normantranscript.com/story.php?story_id=9581&c=3
The Norman Transcript, 4/9/04

T-Wolves Prepare for Business Trip
http://www.normantranscript.com/story.php?story_id=9474&c=3
The Norman Transcript, 4/8/04

Palmetto Cup Still Growing
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/high_school/8372400.htm
The State, 4/7/04

Is there an all-tournament team?

There will be an all-tournament team announced later this week for the Palmetto Cup. We don't tally the all-tourney nominations on Saturday night, so that teams can in fact decide who they want to represent their respective squad.

I don't know if it just me but the Cup did not seem as competitive as it has been in the past.
It seems that some of the teams were missing players because of Spring Break, at least more noticable than in the past. I would think that the Cup should be very disappointed in Porter-Gaud because they only showed up with 10 players.

Some statistics:

21/33 64% decided by 2 or more goals
7/33 20% by 1 goal
5/33 16% ended tied

All four Group winners swept their groups.(That is not saying that the games were bad, just an observation)


Another Observation:
The point system that is being used has a hole in it, I think. I wondered about it before the Tournament and it almost happenned. Tell me if I am wrong here, I just love messing with numbers.

example
Team A 20 points after 2 games, 3-0, 3-0 or greater

Team B 12 points after 2 games (1-0 or 2-1) Win and (0-0 or 1-1)Tie

B defeats A by 2-1,3-2,4-3 or 5-3 etc
B receives 8 points min and 9 points max. 20-21
A receives 1 point min and 3 points max. 21-23
W-T-L
No matter A wins the group with a 2-0-1 record
Team B loses the group with a 2-1-0 record

This almost happened
If BC would have only beaten Porter-Gaud 1-0 or 2-1 instead of 2-0 and Riverside would have beaten Lexington 3-0 instead of 2-0. Then BC would have had to beat Riverside by 2 or more and not let Riverside get to 3 goals.

In my opinion, a team that has 2 wins and a tie is better and the 2 wins and a loss team because they had to beat them Head to Head in group play.

Kyle and Kevin why did you guys come up with this system as opposed to the standard W = 3, T = 1 and other tie breakers.

Can't speak for Kyle or Kevin, but this is the point system I have seen used in most club tournaments.

Below is the Tournament Format that the Palmetto Cup has used the past two years when the field was expanded to 16 teams:

***Each team will play three opponents in GROUP play as well as one other team from another GROUP;

***All teams are guaranteed four matches (provided weather cooperative);

***There will be ties and no overtime during GROUP play - except for the semifinals and championship match, which will be decided by two five-minute overtime periods and then a penalty kick shootout, if not already determined;

***The GROUP winner/seedings for the fourth match will be determined according to a points system: 6 points for win, 3 points for a tie, 1 point for every goal up to three, 1 point for a shutout, 0 points for a loss, -1 point for an accumulated red card (two yellow cards), -2 points for a straight red card, 10 points maximum for each match;

***Any forfeit will be recorded as 3-0, with 10 points going to the winner;

***If, at the completion of GROUP play, a tie in the standings exists in determining the group champion, the following criteria shall be used to determine the champion: (1) Head-to-head competition, (2) Goal differential, (3) Goals against, (4) Goals for, (5) Coin-toss;

***Awards will be presented to the Champion and Runner-Up Teams.

I got to attend Saturday's games at the Palmetto Cup and caught the first half of the Lexington and Pinewood Prep game. I was disappointed in PP. Their conduct was not very good and they seemed to be a very undisciplined team. I went over and watched the Dreher and Ridge View game at Airport and saw the flare up with the Dreher player. A little over exaggerated, but definitely a red card foul. The final was a pretty good game with Norman North dominating possession and attack, but Riverside hung in there until the final 10 minutes at 1-0. Both stadiums were in very good condition and things seemed to run smoothly!

Good observation on Pinewood, CF. They are a very talented squad but they're letting a couple of the players drag the whole team down. Time for a couple of kids to grow up.

Listed below are some of the high school and collegiate coaches that attended the 2004 Palmetto Cup (unofficial list). We thank these coaches for their interest in this annual spring event!

High School Programs -- Academic Magnet, Airport, Chapin, Dutch Fork, Irmo, Mid-Carolina

Collegiate Programs -- Coastal Carolina University, Francis Marion University, King College, Lees-McRae College, North Greenville College, University of South Carolina, Spartanburg Methodist College

How did the Lowcountry school look in the tournament? Was Pinewood Prep, Porter-Gaud, or Summerville representative of Charleston area soccer? Sorry, I was out of the country over the Spring Break!

Don't forget a representative from the new Bluffton High School was there checking out AAA competition

who the heck is bluffton i think they are going to suck if there named and you had to add ur name what a loser

Does it really take a week to come up with an all tournament team??

Nice comment from The State!

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Q: Patrick, I saw the Palmetto Cup comment from the person in Norman, OK -- I can assure you that ALL scores/results were e-mailed to The State in a timely fashion. Disappointed you didn't attend the event, but I appreciate The State for staffing two games and running the scores/results/schedule.

A: Hey everybody, Kyle's the go-to man in South Carolina when it comes to soccer info. Check out his site at www.scsoccer.com It's the best-run, most up-to-date prep site in the state. By far. Thanks Kyle.

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Ask The State Q&A!

Chase Rowell, the reason the All-Tournament Team has not been posted is because several coaches are on Spring Break and have not had a chance to e-mail their nominations. I can assure you that whenever the list is finalized, we will run the honorees in this thread. Thank you for your patience.

Kyle, Kevin and all others,
I only saw a few games, but it was once again a great experience. It means a lot to fans/players when things are in place, on time and organized; and all the guys have to worry about is just playing good soccer. Thanks again for your hard work and I know it will continue to be a highly-regarded tournament. I would like some northern teams consider it for a warm, spring break. Have any teams from up north, besides Va., ever shown interest, Kyle? That would be interesting to see their style of play, etc.

For a northern team would it count just as a preseason game since their season is in the fall?

2004 Palmetto Cup All-Tournament Team

Note -- this is an incomplete list, because a good number of coaches have not responded due to their Spring Breaks between April 11-17.

Brookland-Cayce -- Kevin Ros, SO, Defender
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Dreher -- Eric Helms, SR, Goalkeeper
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Greenwood -- Tyler Davis, JR, Midfielder
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Hilton Head -- Mike McCullion, JR, Goalkeeper
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Lexington -- Dom Pierallini, SR, Forward
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Norman North -- Scott Gillis, SR, Midfielder
Norman North -- Jimmy Anderson, SR, Midfielder
Norman North -- Jake Krattiger, SR, Midfielder, MVP
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Pinewood Prep -- Roger Kodrzycki, SR, Forward
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Ridge View -- Mark Weston, SR, Forward/Midfielder
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Riverside -- Patrick Bueno, SR, Defender
Riverside -- Anthony Consonery, SR, Midfielder
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Spring Valley -- Chase Rowell, SR, Forward
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Summerville -- Todd Wogamon, SR, Goalkeeper
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West Florence -- Walker Gaddy, JR, Defender
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Christ Church, Dorman, Pendleton, and Porter-Gaud did not finish in the top three of group play, so those teams did not receive a spot on the All-Tournament Team.

Updated the Palmetto Cup All-Tournament Team as of 4/23 ... Should have the remainder from Spring Valley and West Florence this weekend!

[ April 23, 2004, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: Kevin Heise ]

Updated once again.

The Palmetto Cup All-Tournament Team has been completed.