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#175621 - 01/02/19 06:28 PM 2018 Fall SCYS PMSL Overall Club Standings
Kyle Heise Offline

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Loc: Cayce, SC
MORE THAN 50 MATCHES
Rank League Club Name Matches Wins Losses Ties %
1 Congaree Rapid FC Congaree Rapid FC - 01 91 51 28 12 0.626
2 Easley SC Easley Soccer Club 62 32 18 12 0.613
3 Spartanburg United Soccer Acaemy Spartanburg United Soccer Academy - 01 52 26 18 8 0.577
4 South Carolina United FC South Carolina United FC - Competitive 103 51 36 16 0.573
5 Furman Youth SC United FC 57 29 23 5 0.553
6 GPS Lexington Soccer Academy GPS Lexington Soccer Academy 62 29 23 9 0.540
7 CHS Battery SC CHS Battery SC - 01 76 36 30 10 0.539
8 CESA CESA Competitive 158 76 65 16 0.532
9 Cainhoy Athletic SC Cainhoy Athletic SC - 01 103 47 45 11 0.510
10 Florence SA Florence SA - 01 65 30 29 6 0.508
11 Carolina FC Carolina FC - 01 70 33 32 5 0.507
12 GPS North Area SA GPS North Area SA - 01 60 24 27 9 0.475
13 GPS Coastal Academy GPS Coastal Academy 93 34 50 9 0.414
14 Bulls Soccer Club Bulls Soccer Club KEEP 90 28 56 6 0.344
15 Charleston United SC Charleston United SC - 01 61 15 38 8 0.311
16 Discoveries SC Discoveries SC - 01 80 20 53 7 0.294

LESS THAN 50 MATCHES
Rank League Club Name Matches Wins Losses Ties %
1 Revolution United FC Revolution United FC - 01 47 36 9 2 0.787
2 Coast FA Coast FA - 01 33 22 9 2 0.697
3 Carolina Futbol Academy Carolina Futbol Academy 18 9 6 3 0.583
4 Technical Soccer Club Technical Soccer Club - 01 29 14 10 5 0.569
5 Kickoff Soccer Academy Kickoff Soccer Academy - 01 8 4 3 1 0.563
6 Clemson Anderson SA Clemson Anderson SA - 01 41 22 17 2 0.561
7 CSA Palmetto CSA Palmetto United FC 30 15 12 3 0.550
8 James Island Youth SC James Island Youth SC 47 24 20 3 0.543
9 Daniel Island SA Daniel Island SA 35 13 13 9 0.500
10 Sumter SC Sumter Soccer Club 22 10 10 2 0.500
11 Aiken Futbol Club Aiken Futbol Club 10 5 5 0 0.500
12 Sandhills United SC Sandhills United SC 11 4 4 3 0.500
13 Lakeland Toros Lakeland Toros 32 14 15 3 0.484
14 USA Mount Pleasant USA Tormenta 27 10 16 1 0.389
15 USA Mount Pleasant USA Mount Pleasant 29 10 17 2 0.379
16 Charleston City FC Charleston City FC 9 3 6 0 0.333
17 Beach United FC Beach United FC - 01 31 8 22 1 0.274
18 Carolina Renegades Carolina Renegades SC - 01 21 4 14 3 0.262
19 Foothills SC of Greer Foothills SC of Greer - 01 6 0 3 3 0.250
20 International Elite SA International Elite Soccer Academy 7 0 6 1 0.071

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#175622 - 01/03/19 03:30 PM Re: 2018 Fall SCYS PMSL Overall Club Standings [Re: Kyle Heise]
Coach Chass Offline
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If the object of PMSL is to win games, then this is a very useful metric.
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#175632 - 01/06/19 05:50 PM Re: 2018 Fall SCYS PMSL Overall Club Standings [Re: Kyle Heise]
Kyle Heise Offline

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I think any time the scoreboard is operated that it's a good reflection for development of a Club's team's performance in that relative level/age group.

By no means is it a final determining factor, but when you have positive "player development" at the individual level, then when it transpires to the team as well then that is a good measurement.

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#175660 - 01/09/19 10:55 AM Re: 2018 Fall SCYS PMSL Overall Club Standings [Re: Kyle Heise]
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Given that PMSL is part of a broader promotion/relegation system within SCYS/USYS, I'd suggest that teams are in there to win (or lose).
The new policy for this league controls both ends of the spectrum (for better or worse) and while I certainly agree player development should be prioritized over wins/losses good league placement and competition will help in that regard.

What is perhaps lacking here is a broader view at every level (in every league), and I suspect some of these clubs are reflected poorly unfairly on this one view (as others look good).

I'm actually amazed we had 103 games and equal to SCUFC in mass (at top). Imagine if we had used an 'uber' level for clubs with 100+ games, we would have come 2nd grin but then again also last frown
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#175674 - 01/13/19 12:39 PM Re: 2018 Fall SCYS PMSL Overall Club Standings [Re: Kyle Heise]
Coach Chass Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kyle Heise
I think any time the scoreboard is operated that it's a good reflection for development of a Club's team's performance in that relative level/age group.

By no means is it a final determining factor, but when you have positive "player development" at the individual level, then when it transpires to the team as well then that is a good measurement.


Agreed, player development is reflected in team performance; as individual skill increases, team performance should also increase.

When we talk about development, though, one of the things that a win/loss record does not take into account is the starting point vs. the ending point of the teams. A team that loses 8-0 in the beginning of the season and then loses 1-0 in the second encounter with the same team at the end of the season has done nothing to improve their win/loss record, but which team has developed more over the course of the season?

Another reason I find not to focus as much on wins and losses in PMSL is that it can cause coaches to change our focus during games toward the necessity of winning over the need for developing players to get their time on the field. I've at times been as guilty of this as anyone.

PMSL is not Challenge or Premier; neither is it Rec. In my experience, there is a wide diversity in players at the PMSL level, in skill level, experience, and motivation. We have talented, experienced players who have stepped down from Challenge teams for a reduction in cost, travel, and/or pressure. We have players whose primary focus is on their high school teams and they are trying to maintain their skillset throughout the off season. We also have players who are taking their first step up from recreation into a more competitive arena and are looking to make that transition to a higher skill level.

If we focus on winning games as the "proof" that we are doing something right, then there is the temptation to focus during games on our most talented players--the ones who are "getting it done" on the field. When we're under pressure to win, sometimes those newer and less-experienced players, the ones who are making that transition into the competitive arena and are in most need of building confidence through experience, spend the least time on the field and feel the most self-conscious about their mistakes.

For those players who choose and have earned the right to step up to Challenge and Premier play, the ones who have committed to entering what Anson Dorrance calls the "competitive cauldron," the win or lose, survival of the fittest mentality may be the best approach to take them to the next level. But for the developing PMSL player--the one still building skill and building confidence--the ability to make mistakes and correct them, and the ability for teams to be willing to take losses in order to allow them to make and correct those mistakes, might be the more constructive environment.

Just my two cents; there are certainly other arguments to be made.
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#175676 - 01/13/19 11:15 PM Re: 2018 Fall SCYS PMSL Overall Club Standings [Re: Kyle Heise]
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Well said Coach Chass.

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