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Other regions are similar with the greatest travel probably in 1A, and several of them do not have soccer. At that point, would you be better off combining 1A/2A?
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Just throwing this out there... I coached a high school team in 2000. People were talking about promotion/relegation. 20 years later people are talking about promotion/relegation. It’s not going to ever happen in the schsl. It would open up Pandora’s box with all the other sports.
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In the end, isn't that what we want? I mean they already showed us what they think of us when they graciously provided the "option" of using the Rawlings Balls... Thankfully that is different now
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High school soccer in this state would be a great canvas to experiment with promotion/relegation.
If what we are after is greater parity in high school athletics, then it is something to seriously discuss.
Nobody would want to come 1 game or 2 away from winning a state title in one classification, then be bumped up to a higher level of competitor....
...but don’t we all have results that don’t go our way?
And isn’t that how we all get better?
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High school soccer in this state would be a great canvas to experiment with promotion/relegation.
If what we are after is greater parity in high school athletics, then it is something to seriously discuss.
Nobody would want to come 1 game or 2 away from winning a state title in one classification, then be bumped up to a higher level of competitor....
...but don’t we all have results that don’t go our way?
And isn’t that how we all get better?
That's my thoughts exactly. While getting super close and losing then being told to move up would be rough, wouldn't it provide an opportunity to grow and possibly build something better? Then given time if the program loses quality then it would drop back down to where it needed to be. Example: At Midland Valley, they have a team that can probably compete decently at the 2A level. Yes they have a big student population, but the school's program is somewhat limited. I've been there and know personally. When we were at the 3A level we still could barely keep up with one or two 3A teams, but pair us against 2A and we were pretty evenly matched. In that case, Pro/Rel would've been great because we could've competed against schools with similar skill level instead of being dropped by 10 - 14 goals in region most games.
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Boiling Springs to Fort Mill and Nation Ford is 83+ miles through Charlotte. That is 2 trips for them. And Northwestern to Columbia is a hike also. (Let alone the fact that there are 5 York County 5A schools and they aren't in the same region.
So that is 3 of 8, almost half the state.
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Have you seen some of the new region alignments?
This is why conferences should be geographical and then re-align for tournament purposes only (with everyone getting in in team sports outside football).
I see several trips of over 90 minutes, that go through major traffic areas. So 2+ hours on a bus. Conferences are geographical after enrollment is taken into account. Look at 5A Region 1: Hillcrest, J. L. Mann, Mauldin, T. L. Hanna, Woodmont Region 2: Byrnes, Dorman, Riverside, Spartanburg, Wade Hampton Region 3: Boiling Springs, Clover, Fort Mill, Gaffney, Nation Ford Region 4: Blythewood, Northwestern, Ridge View, Rock Hill, Spring Valley Region 5: Chapin, Dutch, Fork, Lexington, River Bluff, White Knoll Region 6: Carolina Forest, Conway, Socastee, St. James, Sumter Region 7: Berkeley, Cane Bay, Goose Creek, Stratford, Wando Region 8: Ashley Ridge, Fort Dorchester, Stall, Summerville, West Ashley Most conferences have few travel issues. Only Regions 4 and 6 would have issues. Other regions are similar with the greatest travel probably in 1A, and several of them do not have soccer. Boiling Springs to Fort Mill and Nation Ford is 83+ miles through Charlotte. That is 2 trips for them. And Northwestern to Columbia is a hike also. (Let alone the fact that there are 5 York County 5A schools and they aren't in the same region. So that is 3 of 8, almost half the state.
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Have you seen some of the new region alignments?
This is why conferences should be geographical and then re-align for tournament purposes only (with everyone getting in in team sports outside football).
I see several trips of over 90 minutes, that go through major traffic areas. So 2+ hours on a bus. Conferences are geographical after enrollment is taken into account. Look at 5A Region 1: Hillcrest, J. L. Mann, Mauldin, T. L. Hanna, Woodmont Region 2: Byrnes, Dorman, Riverside, Spartanburg, Wade Hampton Region 3: Boiling Springs, Clover, Fort Mill, Gaffney, Nation Ford Region 4: Blythewood, Northwestern, Ridge View, Rock Hill, Spring Valley Region 5: Chapin, Dutch, Fork, Lexington, River Bluff, White Knoll Region 6: Carolina Forest, Conway, Socastee, St. James, Sumter Region 7: Berkeley, Cane Bay, Goose Creek, Stratford, Wando Region 8: Ashley Ridge, Fort Dorchester, Stall, Summerville, West Ashley Most conferences have few travel issues. Only Regions 4 and 6 would have issues. Other regions are similar with the greatest travel probably in 1A, and several of them do not have soccer. Boiling Springs to Fort Mill and Nation Ford is 83+ miles through Charlotte. That is 2 trips for them. And Northwestern to Columbia is a hike also. (Let alone the fact that there are 5 York County 5A schools and they aren't in the same region. So that is 3 of 8, almost half the state. Boiling Springs does not go “through” Charlotte. Yes they are a one of, like James Island. There is no perfect scenario. But come on, what do you propose? An environment that could see Boiling Springs travel to Wando or Conway instead? How would you divide up those 40 schools in a better manner? Do you want to get rid of regions? Are you asking that Hilton Head travel to Landrum, or Hartsville, or Daniel in the middle of week? Pro/Rel could do that to. No regions could do that. Ask a teacher to work all day, then drive those kids late into the night, then teach again tomorrow. Not best practice.
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Have you seen some of the new region alignments?
This is why conferences should be geographical and then re-align for tournament purposes only (with everyone getting in in team sports outside football).
I see several trips of over 90 minutes, that go through major traffic areas. So 2+ hours on a bus. Conferences are geographical after enrollment is taken into account. Look at 5A Region 1: Hillcrest, J. L. Mann, Mauldin, T. L. Hanna, Woodmont Region 2: Byrnes, Dorman, Riverside, Spartanburg, Wade Hampton Region 3: Boiling Springs, Clover, Fort Mill, Gaffney, Nation Ford Region 4: Blythewood, Northwestern, Ridge View, Rock Hill, Spring Valley Region 5: Chapin, Dutch, Fork, Lexington, River Bluff, White Knoll Region 6: Carolina Forest, Conway, Socastee, St. James, Sumter Region 7: Berkeley, Cane Bay, Goose Creek, Stratford, Wando Region 8: Ashley Ridge, Fort Dorchester, Stall, Summerville, West Ashley Most conferences have few travel issues. Only Regions 4 and 6 would have issues. Other regions are similar with the greatest travel probably in 1A, and several of them do not have soccer. Boiling Springs to Fort Mill and Nation Ford is 83+ miles through Charlotte. That is 2 trips for them. And Northwestern to Columbia is a hike also. (Let alone the fact that there are 5 York County 5A schools and they aren't in the same region. So that is 3 of 8, almost half the state. Boiling Springs does not go “through” Charlotte. Yes they are a one of, like James Island. There is no perfect scenario. But come on, what do you propose? An environment that could see Boiling Springs travel to Wando or Conway instead? How would you divide up those 40 schools in a better manner? Do you want to get rid of regions? Are you asking that Hilton Head travel to Landrum, or Hartsville, or Daniel in the middle of week? Pro/Rel could do that to. No regions could do that. Ask a teacher to work all day, then drive those kids late into the night, then teach again tomorrow. Not best practice. Yes, get rid of regions and go to Geographic conferences with everyone needing a region if they want one!!!! Boiling Springs to Mauldin, Dorman, etc and Clover, FM, NAFO to Northwestern and Rock Hill seems to make a lot more sense doesn't it??? The problem is trying to artificially fit 40 teams into regions that don't make sense. And I am not in favor of pro/rel. I do have a question, how many students at our largest 5A schools play sports?
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Yes, get rid of regions and go to Geographic conferences with everyone needing a region if they want one!!!!
Boiling Springs to Mauldin, Dorman, etc and Clover, FM, NAFO to Northwestern and Rock Hill seems to make a lot more sense doesn't it??? The problem is trying to artificially fit 40 teams into regions that don't make sense. And I am not in favor of pro/rel.
I do have a question, how many students at our largest 5A schools play sports?
For all sports or just soccer? There are winners and losers in each scenario. Wando has 175 kids come out for boys soccer every year. Almost all of them play club. The 150 or so boys they cut are more boys than most all the boys enrolled at most 1A schools. Every school in 1A through 5A can offer the same amount of teams. Military Magnet has a coed team with few if any kids that play on club. Cross and St. Johns are similar. They are in the same geographic locale as Wando, Academic Magnet and BE. They are no where close to level playing fields. Same conference? Green Sea Floyd. I think they would prefer the current status then play Conway, Socastee, MB and NMB regularly. Similar discrepancies exist in the Southeast with Allendale Fairfax, Whale Branch, Battery Creek, May River, Hilton Head, Beaufort and Bluffton. Would you include Chesnee, Blacksburg, Landrum in that same conference with Boiling Springs, Mauldin, Dorman? No easy answers, though I do appreciate the discussion.
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