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Eastside will win for lowerstate 3A. Greenville will give them a tough time though.

I don't see why everyone has such a problem with private schools competing in the SCHSL? There's tons of South Carolina private schools that compete in SCISA, but the competition in SCISA just isn't up to par so the higher-end (athletically speaking) schools move into the SCHSL to have better competition.

Has anyone ever considered a rule being put in place that would force a private school that plays in public school to multiply their enrollment by a given number in order to compete. There is an obvious advantage for private schools such as BE and CCES in the aquisition of soccer players. This is a soccer forum so stick to that. If a rule got put on the table as a possibility to force these schools to play up one, or even two classes, it would likely have a chance to pass in the league. A reasonable # for multiplication would likey be anywhere from 1.25 to 1.75.

I think that everyone would agree that the level of competition in 2A and 1A is not what CCES and BE could compete at. We need to also consider both boy's and girl's programs. BE girl's program got so much competition in 2A that they made numerous trips to NC and GA to find teams that coupld compete with them. The BE boys rarely lose which is evident by their overall program record, winning percentage and state titles (all of which are in the top 2 or 3).

CCES boys went 11-9-1 last year but all their losses were to 3A or 4A teams and Emerald in PKs. They outscored their opponents 15-1 in the playoffs. The only head scratcher for the BE boys was a 2-1 loss at Pinewood (who was 20-5-1). The BE girls had one of the most dominating seasons in years: 16-1-4 and cruised through the SC teams. They averaged 7 goals against teams from SC. This is "higher" competition you speak of?

Their primary advantage is not that they actively recruit players like a college team, but rather there are very loose attendance area restrictions so they can draw players from a far larger area than a public school their size. And even if they draw from a comperable area in size (which they don't), the population density of where BE and CCES draw from is far greater than say Emerald or Walhalla, for example. I am not saying they need to be in 4A, but I would like to see how they would do a level up from where they are now. BE to 3A and CCES to 2A. They should be placed in a division with schools with comparable attendance areas and comparable budgets.

With all that said, BE has lost to Emerald and Chapin the last two years. But, if you look at overall records and where these schools travel to get games, you cannot use the "competition is better in their current classification than SCISA".

If you move Christ Church up to 2A in soccer, do you do the same with the other sports at the school or just the ones that have success in their respective sports.

I think it should all be about the nature of the competitiveness of the respective sports. If you have a soccer team that has, out of a 20 game schedule, only 3-4 competitive games, then you should consider a move to a more competitive class. Plus you have to consider if a school's success one year is an anomaly. Because of its extensive recruiting base in comparison to the 2A public schools, BE has successful teams every year and should therefore have to compete in a higher level class throughout the season, such as 3A.

Who is the you? The teams have no say in what class they play. The only way this happens is if soccer pulls itself out of the SCHSL, which obviously will never happen. This has been battered around ad nauseum and really makes soccer followers look very spoiled.

Football followers are not saying to move Byrnes to the Big 16 because of the success they have had.

It has nothing to do with success. It has everything to do with not being a public school, yet playing in the public school league. It is an advantage that other schools do not have. With a ceratin advantage should come a penalty. Would you agree to that Dexter? Or are you going to attempt to prove to me that it isn't an unfaur advantage?

Byrnes' football team can stay in 4A Div.II because they have built an excellent program using players only from a certain region much more limited than that of private schools (which im assuming is unlimited). Let's try to think before we post.

OK, one more time EHS. If Christ Church is moved up in soccer, what happens to them in football where they are woeful. If this is causing you to lose sleep at night, I would suggest you get off this message board and turn your attention to the high school league. Maybe you could get a petition together and send it to Jerome Singleton.

And what is the unfair advantage you are speaking of? What would be the benefit of any quality soccer player going to Christ Church just tp play soccer? Like it or not,students go to Christ Church for the academics not the athletics. Tomek, the most heralded soccer player from Christ Church, attended the school for academics not soccer. Sorry to tell you this but I don't think he was lured to play at Christ Church when he was currently on a national championship club team.

Finally, you must be a very naive defender to think that recruiting does not happen in big time high school athletics, of which soccer is not part of. If you think that athletes don't choose areas to live in due to teams success and potential college scholarships you are really playing the part of the ostrich.

OK, one more time Dexter. Tomek wouldnt be within zoning for Christ Church if it was a 1A public school. And, like many players, he would not attend the school. It's very simple. If they were a public school, which we do consider them in SCHSL soccer, then they wouldn't have the same constraints that the public schools have on who and who does not attend. It's obviously an advantage and has shown in the past decade. If their football team suffered from this advantage then they just would. Maybe they could reach out to football players for their academic excellence and be dominant in that sport too.
Recruiting does not go on in public schools. Do you have an example of that?