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Aright, apparently from all this banter, Irmo does not have a good keeper, I know DF's keeper is good (saving all those PKs), Wando's keeper Taylor Hopkins has skills, RV's Matt Born has made some good saves Ive heard, Dreher has George Rushe, SV has Davis Jenkins with 9 shutouts, (including scrimmages), NW has 6 shutouts (including scrimmages), but the question remains- Who is the best keeper?
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Take Matt Born off the list, add in DF's other keeper (they split time), and I don't know of alot of others that are all that good.
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I've also heard Lexington's keeper is solid, but I have yet to see them play this year.
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i dont know a whole lot ab wando's goalie(s) but they've only given up one goal so far this season
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well, dreher's goalie is top notch, and they have given up 12. Its not always about how many goals are allowed, cause defense plays a big part in that too.
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Pillsbury and Dustin Diamond at Irmo are a dynamic duo..I must concur. 1 & 2 in the State.
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I don't know...they seem pretty shaky. Both had a terrible tournament in the LMC, but the one that played against DF did an ok job...he wasn't really tested though.
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You're right Benp that shutouts are a group effort. No GK, no matter how good, can stop too many great shots. George, Jenkins, and Hopkins are very strong. HH's keeper is good too. Who is DF's keeper?
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I don't know...they seem pretty shaky. Both had a terrible tournament in the LMC, but the one that played against DF did an ok job...he wasn't really tested though.
You need to take some computer-sarcasm classes when you start college man.
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matt b is good and george r i play with them but brian A. and Joe C. are better from bridge U-17
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From Club soccer(u18) this past year, I think clearly George and Davis Jenkins stood out. George is extremely acrobatic and makes some impossible saves, while Davis Jenkins is almost an impenetrable wall back there. I believe Davis played up this year so he will be elgible to remain a U18 player next year.
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Andrew Jackson's keeper Sean Neal is really good. So far on the season he's 4 for 4 on PK's.
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Palmettos goalie is pretty good and only being a freshman look to see alot from him in the future.
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Brad L off clover is awesome. he is deceiving because he is short but hes quick and makes unbelievable saves that he prob shouldnt have touched keeping us in games. watch for him.
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Airport's keeper Chris Baker is a beast. Both on the field and off the field.
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Look out for West Ashley's keeper Robbie Owens. He's short, but powerful. He has saved some amazing goals for the team thus far. Big surprises come in small packages.
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I have played George from Dreher a couple times and he is a great keeper but lacks size but he still probably gets my vote as the best in the state this year. Lexingtons keeper is Ty Osbourne who started at defender for lexington last year. He is an amazing athlete that is going to play football at PC. He is just to raw to be considered as one of the top 5 in the state though. In the games that i have seen Ridge View play their keeper really played well and kept them in the games so i give credit to him also.
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Dutch Fork starts (in the games I've seen) Jason Mccabe (csc u17) and then plays Joey Scribner Howard (lexington u16) in the second half. both are top notch keepers AND both will be back next year.
Another keeper worth mentioning is Pinewood's keeper. He's the quickest keeper I've ever seen, he recovers in the blink of an eye. But I haven't seen him since club (Bridge u17 red)
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DF does have quality keepers... I am sure that Irmo or Lex would love to have one of the two.
Chapin also has 2 good young keepers. They should be set for awhile.
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i've never seen a high school goalie with as much athleticism as pinewood's junior goalie JD. he can easily punt the ball into the other teams box. he also takes pks and i think he's 100% since he was freshman. he went something like 14 of 14 last season
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I would have to go with Dreher's George Rushe. He is an excellent keep and keeps Dreher in a lot of games.
I also agree with futbol(soccer) that Chapin's two keeps, although young, are very good and will be an awesome "duo" when they get older.(What grade are they in?? Fresh. or Soph.)
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I'd like to brag on Wall Moore who plays for the Gov. School. This is only his second year and he's been doing a great job.
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chapin keepers are both in 10 grade. they are legit i play with both
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Wow! Sooo many choices. Most of the players you've mentioned have like -> 15+++ goals scored on them in 10ish games, that's a 1.5+++ GAA (FYI that's Not Good). How about some school or club in SC sponsor a Keeper War Tournament? For Example: http://nc-soccer.net/forum/attachments/651.pdf
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I have seen the following upperstate keepers and I have trouble believing that no one has mentioned any of them:
Will Barbieri (sp) Senior Fort Mill
Brendan Smith Senior JL Mann
Shane Hoover Sophomore Mauldin
Ian Rose Sophomore Riverside
From the games I have seen they are a big factor in the sucess of their teams, and I believe that all play for CESA Premier.
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Wow! Sooo many choices. Most of the players you've mentioned have like -> 15+++ goals scored on them in 10ish games, that's a 1.5+++ GAA (FYI that's Not Good). How about some school or club in SC sponsor a Keeper War Tournament? For Example: http://nc-soccer.net/forum/attachments/651.pdf
while I love keeper wars a GK's purpose isn't to be a "shotstopper".
A good one is the QB of the defense. He talks, barks orders and marks, is athletic and makes saves as well. A good keeper will know when he has to be somewhere and where he needs to be (crosses, angles for shots, coming out for breakaways, etc.) Most importantly good keepers, great HS keepers, can use their feet making them an extra sweeper option in the back when things get really hairy, making a simple pass back easier.
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Will Barbieri is playing in college. Mark DiMaggio is the senior keeper for Fort Mill.
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As to the "sooo many choices", players and fans are obviously pretty loyal to their keepers! GKs as a whole don't have the high profiles that forwards do..hence the choices seem to be pretty regional. Many of the GKs mentioned may be good but aren't "best keeper" material. I agree that Keeper Wars, while fun, are not necessarily indicative of a GKs quality. Some of the best keepers I've seen, although good at shot stopping and distribution (the focus of keeper wars), are preventative GKs that read the game well.
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Will Barbieri is playing in college. Mark DiMaggio is the senior keeper for Fort Mill.
You are correct. I had my names wrong, but DiMaggio is very good.
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Looking at the numbers 'only' I'd say DiMaggio (FM) and Hopkins (W) are the only two standouts (GAA).
Shut^&play & 00, I completely agree with both your posts, but as someone mentioned earlier - GAA isn't their measure of choice (is it saves or save avg [too arbitrary?]. So back to the original question 'who's the best', better yet, 'how do you distinguish the best?'
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Summerville's goalie brandon woggaman who had played forward beg. of the season is extremely good....i think hes up there
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Is Woggoman back to playing keeper? I thought he was playing forward and then quit. If he did, it's shame b/c he is a very good GK..he has great form.
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supposibly he is now not playing at all again and just left during the wando game tuesday
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I think that the was a lot more talent at GK last year.
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davis jenkins was player of the week in The State Newspaper, he's had 6 shutouts
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Don't have first hand knowledge, but I have heard that Woggoman quit for the second time last week.
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Ronnie Murray at Summerville is the most talented sophomore GK in the state
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Ronnie Murray is NOT even close, Michael Flato Jr at BE is much, much better. Btw, I've only seen a few JV keeps so I can't comment state wide & I'm in no way related to him or affiliated with the school. Get a reality check.
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I have seen Flato play and he is a very good goalkeeper although he has a little temper. I do not know this Murray kid but if he is the red head from Summerville area, he is average at best.
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He is the redhead. He is not awesome but he is pretty good. JD spearman(PW) is probably the best keeper in the Summerville area.
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Spearman!!! no doubt the best in Summerville..Murray sees no competition from other keepers at his age and this hurts him...Average at best..
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I saw Ronnie Murray play and I wasn't very impressed at all. Against Wando he practically handed them their first goal when, on a long throw, he completely took himself out of the play by trying to run out nearpost around a Wando player to catch the ball and ended up not even getting close to the ball and leaving an open net and an easy header for the score. He is still young but he also has a long way to go and is far from the best sophomore keeper in the state.
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Shane Hoover at Mauldin is a talented and strong sophmore keeper and I do believe has been starting since his freshmen year.
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Saw Flato at the Wando/BE game, I thought a lot of him before that, what a **** ****** *****, yellow card for taunting, walked to recover the ball when it went out & walked it back in, I thought ref should have yellow carded him for delay but the CR said he (ref) was adding time, ref yellow carded him for taunting, 2006 rule change should have been a 'Hard Red Card'. The assistant referee threw him the ball for a goalkick on one occassion, the ball stopped rolling about 2 feet from the six, since the other assistant referee wasn't looking, he took the goal kick from there. I guess he needed the other 2 ft for his distribution or maybe he thought getting away with something was a good thing. I wonder where he got his attitude from?
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Yea I was disgusted with Flato's attitude and demeanor at the BE v. Wando JV game. He think's hes such a badass but he just needs to realize that he's just a little sophmore who isn't going to see an ounce of playing time next year on varsity b/c Joey and Phil will both still be there next year. He isn't even that good he can just kick the ball far, and that's only when he doesn't slip and fall.
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Fort's keeper, Zack Davis is really good. The Berkeley goalie is also surprisingly good, but his team just can't help him enough.
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fort D's goalie is awful. and the Berkely goalie is extremely athletic but not a very skilled goalie
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im certaintly biased, but george rushe i believe is the best in the state hands down. on this same topic last year he was considered one of the top 3 or 4 up there with mike gustavson who just had a terrific year at usc. he makes some incredible saves, is smart, and distributes the ball well. he played a terrific game against northwestern and is responsible for our win over them. considering his height, he has got to be the most skilled, and he is definelty the best keeper inch for inch, pound for pound in the state
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I agree that George was the 4th best in the state last year and the best in the state this year.
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Rushe was at most the 5th best keeper last year.
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I want to hear benp's top 5 for this year.
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This year.
1 George Rushe-Dreher (best all around)
2 JD Spearman-Pinewood Prep (quickest I've ever seen
3 Jason Mccabe-Dutch Fork
4 Brandon Woggoman-Summerville
5 (not) Davis Jenkins-Spring Valley (probably most athletic)
Nothing against the Wando keeper, I simply have not seen him play.
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The kid from DF is in the Top 5 no questions!!!
the kid w/ two last names.
My number one would be ricarrdoni(sp) from BE .....IF he is still in school.
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Shearer... that would be Josef Scribner-Howard. I agree.
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wandos starting keeper is possibly the worst in the state and they might be better off putting anderson in, i know they have only given up 2 goals on the season due to there very strong defense but when they play some of the upper state teams they could be in trouble
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Well, Mccabe is the best keeper at dutch fork. However, I wouldn't be surprised if both were considered top 5 in the state.
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S_Howard is the better keeper. Thats why he plays the 2nd half OTs and PKS.
McCabe is good and to be honest they are both top 5.
The kid at mann is quality as is the Rushe kid at Dreher.
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Sickwithit who are you and what do you know about Wando's keeper. He's only given up two goals, one was against HH on a counterattack breakaway that Carlos ripped side netting back post top corner. It was one of the most amazing shots I've ever seen. Second goal was against BE and it was PK so you can hardly blame him for that. What do you think he does the rest of the time just stand there? He was also named Defensive MVP of the Carolina Classic. He got that award over Phil and Joey at BE and the SV keeper, all of whom are very good keepers. Hard to imagine him being the worst keeper in the state. Plus I think that anyone who saw him save that PK against Socastee in the Carolina Classic will agree that he is far from bad.
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Lately, Mccabe has been playing more than just the first half.
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well actually yea he does just sit there except on the rare occasion when one of wandos backs makes a mistake of plyin the ball to him and then he usually scrambles to get rid of it
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What do you have some personal grudge against the Wando keeper? Please enlighten us as to why you obviously hate him so much. Jealous maybe??
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I think BenP is correct on this one. Yes, both are quality keepers and both probably top 10 if not top 5. You are correct that S. Howard usually does play the 2nd half and with Dutch Fork that also usually means PK's, but that does not necessarily mean that he is the better keeper. A coach may want to put his better keeper out in the first half to set the tone. It should be also noted that last year during Dutch Fork's playoff run McCabe played the entire game. Howard is probably the better leader in the back vocally and his punts are a little better, but he's not quite as naturally gifted at goalkeeping as McCabe is. That's not taking anything away from Howard because there are not many who have as much natural ability as McCabe in the goal. I think the bottom line ends up being that you can't really go wrong with either keeper at Dutch Fork. Both are quality keepers and would start at almost every other school in the state.
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i disagree about jd spearman we played them last night and even though he allowed just one goal he wasnt impressive he doesn't punt the ball very well but he can kick it not really much quality saves but he was quick
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its just that hes so bad...ARE YOU THE WANDO GOALIE BY ANY CHANCE?SOCCER2888?
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I think he is the jv goalie
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Wando's Keeper is terrible they would be better off playing the JV Keeper
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I don't think Soc28 is the Wando varsity keeper, probably another Wando player. It is obvious that sickwithit thinks he's the Wando keeper and that sick is a BE player (probably Flato). Soc28 burned him in earlier post which would account for all this venom. Enough. Let's talk about something else.
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Once again I was wrong....I would like to congratulate Ronnie Murray on getting the starting job as Summerville's goalie...Good job!!
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Taylor Hopkins is pretty good at Wando, he does all the fundamentals well and I would take him over most of the goalies in the state
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soccer2888 before you say something be sure you know what you are talking about. Ronnie Murray was just pulled up last week to varsity. He didn't even play in the Wando game. Excellent call though
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Anderson played a great game the other night against JI and was the main reason they stayed in the game
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you're right sickwithit. Anderson had an amazing game. he saved the game 4 or 5 times. Hopkins though didn't touch the ball much in the first half, blocked two pks to win the game. Both keepers did an amazing job.
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Interesting that all the goalie talk excludes (except one small mention) Juan from Hilton Head. All of the teams that have played them since the first two games of the Carolina Classic would have to admit that he's one of the very best. After the first two games when new coach played everyone everwhere, they are 12-1 (bluffton scrimmage was played under game conditions) with nine in a row. Juan has had a ton of quality stops including three pk stops.
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yea juan from Hilton Head is pretty good he stopped Fort D on 3 break aways including one where he completely took it off the players foot and hes got a massive punt
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Is he a really really big guy? Played u18 at HHBSC?
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Benp- That's Juan. Big , barrel chested guy with incredible agility and quickness for his size. Played goalie some in the past, but only became steady goalie for the club this year. He is also an excellent field player.
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Juan is one of the best keepers this years. his gotta be between # 5. and you guys might think that maybe our defence has been doing really good but it wasnt just our defence Juan or Chava thats how we call him saved us in alot of times. At wando. Summerville. Fort D. and Beaufort he played the best games ever
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i read a comment at the beginning of this thread about WA's robbie owens. he's an absolutely excellent keeper, especially for his size. i'd say he's maybe 5'6", yet i've seen him make several saves on shots right under the crossbar. he has an excellent read on the ball and get this... HE'S ONLY A FRESHMAN! the only goals scored on him all year have been perfect shots to the upper 90s. i think maybe 4 or 5 goals against so far this season?
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run97, has Owens played GK for all of WA's games? If so, I calculate a GAA of 1.4 (21 Goals in 15 games), he doesn't even meet the minimum for stats for the SCSOCCER site (1.3 minimum).
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If you calculated a 1.4 and the 1.3 is minimum then isn't 1.4 higher? I have never computed a GAA so please explain.
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GAA
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By definition, lower is better
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Chava is my hero.
I would just like to put that down for the record.
Yes, hes Barrel chested, but you know what that means?
More man to go around.
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Yea Juan is really good I played with him for 2 years over at HH. I dont understand how that big of a guy can be that fast he used to beat lots of people when we had to run sprints. I definantly dont think I am one of the best keepers but i would like to say i believe I have improved from last year considering this is only my second year having to play goalie.
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OTF et al,
If your recommending a 'Good Keeper', please at least recommend based on the following:
1) GAA = Goals Against * Min in a Game (80 for V, 60 for JV)/Total minutes played
(should be under 1.0)
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2) Save% = # of Saves / shots ON Goal
(should be above .80 or 80%)
See the NCAA Statasticians Manual for what constitutes a 'SAVE', most people don't know what a save or shot on goal really is.
"I hate when someone says 'Nice shot!' and the ball goes 10 ft over the goal"
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The only 4A teams (top 15) meeting this criteria (GAA only cause I didn't count their saves) are (Varsity):
Northwestern, Dutch Fork, Wando, Hilton Head, James Island & Spring Valley KEEPERS! The rest SUCK!
GO KEEPERS!
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Thanks for explaiing Clayton
SFF - get a grip Who do you play for?
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OTF, weren't you pumping Owens in an earlier post that was removed?
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OTF, Robbies 'good', just too early to BRAG!
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I mentioned the HH keeper in an earlier post (just didn't know his name). He had a great game against Wando. They also have a really good defender ( and Carlos and Christian).
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soccerfan...the defender is probably chris sankowski. i believe hilton head is where he played high school. he played odp and on the cesa u-18 team. he is a strong player.
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Jr Keepers, did you know that some Professional Keepers get a bonus for having a 'Save Pct' greater than 80%? What's your's?
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Several games have passed since this topic ended, I've never seen the Keep for N'w (someone posted he's not good, probably just Great defending and doesn't know what a soccer ball looks like) but as I said before, the only Keeps that meet these numbers are: Wndo (GAA 0.5), NW (GAA 0.5), FM (GAA 0.6), SV (GAA 0.7), HH (GAA 1.0), JI (1.0), & Irmo (1.0)
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Beauforts keeper meets the qualifications for the GAA
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Keeps19, Beauforts Keep has 17 goals in 15 games for a GAA of 1.1, good but doesn't follow these recommendations for a guide, two more shutouts and your on the illustrious list of a few: Good Luck! quote:
Originally posted by Soccer For Fun:
OTF et al,
If your recommending a 'Good Keeper', please at least recommend based on the following:
1) GAA = Goals Against * Min in a Game (80 for V, 60 for JV)/Total minutes played
(should be under 1.0)
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(should be above .80 or 80%)
See the NCAA Statasticians Manual for what constitutes a 'SAVE', most people don't know what a save or shot on goal really is.
"I hate when someone says 'Nice shot!' and the ball goes 10 ft over the goal"
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The shot that someone takes from outside the 18 and could count for 3 through the uprights and the entire crowd claps for it...
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Yea juan is definetly an amazing keeper. He's also a just as good field player, being third on our team last year in goals scored.
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Hawk, I saw Juan play just once, to look at him you'd think "GOALKEEPER ???", but hey Juan, you can move 'fast' and you've got a great understanding of the game and position!!!
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DAVID SEGAR OF HANAHAN IS A GREAT KEEPER EVEN THOUGH HE LOVES TO GO AFTER OPPOSING PLAYERS (HE BROKE A B.E. PLAYERS LEG) OVERALL IF ANYTHING IT IS THE DEFFENCES FAULT THAT HE GETS SCORED HE DOSENT HAVE MUCH SUPPORT
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david seger is not a very good keeper. i play for lincoln and when we played hanahan he did not have any quality saves and he has trouble holding on to the ball and we won 4-0 all easy goals and could have been more but we put our j.v. into the game.
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Hanahan, your not even close, in 2A look at Calandra or Ricciardone from BE (GAA 1.0 overall) and I know both are terrific!
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ture futballer117 but he had a hurt ankle that game and are sub quit and this year we are a lot worse due to are last year captin donovan next year will probably worse all the seniors wich are our starting line will be gone
were debating wether to get a new golie next year but we wont did david enger any of ur players
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can u not speak or what man?
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Beaufort's Keep has a GAA 0f 1.2, doesn't make the list. Seen him, Mozzo's slo.
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Mozzo at Beaufort is, I believe, only a freshman. He moves quite well and looks comfortable in goal. He's got alot of potential and will only get better.
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Mozzo IS only a freshman...Beaufort has several starters that are freshmen...they WILL only get better...Mozzo WILL be a top goalie in the state by his senior year
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Soccer for Fun who does calandra, the goalie you mentioned in the above post, play for?
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Greenville's goalie has only let in 2 goals! I think that is all you need to know.
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Calandra's one of the Keeps at BE, he defended the PK shootout vs Greenville in the championship game of the Carolina Classic at the beginning of the year, winning 3-1 in PKs. Greenville's only loss on the year!
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I would have to agree with you soccer for fun having been at that game. the b.e. goalie rotation (having each goalie play for a half) is interesting but it seems to work. That's some serious depth having two top caliber goalies splitting time when some teams don't even have a serious back-up.
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My picks for the best senior keepers:
Ty Osbourne Lex
George Rushe Dreher
Juniors: (this is where the keeper talent is at right now)
Davis Jenkins SV
Jason Mccabe DF
JC Gypin BC (however, he is getting surgery due to an on going shoulder problem, and is out for the year).
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I wasn't impressed with ty osbourne...why do you think he qualifies as one of the top goalies
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well, he was better than any of the other keepers in the tournament from what i saw. But I'm sure we didn't see him at the same game. His one weak moment that I saw was the goal against Daniel, just didn't get up quick enough to make the second save.
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I believe the position of keeper is the most important position on the field. Although the keeper doesn't score, he determines the score. A goal keeper has the game riding on his shoulders every time a player takes a shot. I also believe it takes great athletic ability and talent. Any keeper is a good keeper.
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Absolutely wrong. Any keeper may be admirable, but not necessarily good.
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Any keeper is/can be a good keeper. You can't down a player if he's on the field giving his best for his team. A keeper is obviously better than anyone else in his school if he's out on the field correct? Thus making him good. Your standards need adjustment.
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I have always thought of a keeper as a pitcher/quarterback in other sports. The keeper is the player who receives most of the scrutiny in both high and low scoring games. Also its not always the case in high school but the keeper in other levels of ball adjusts where and who other players mark. Its a very important position and I think anyone who in high school is willing to put themselves under this pressure deserves respect.
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Goalkeeping may as well determine every game rather than the play on the field. It takes alot of fast decision-making that takes alot of experience to do every thing right. Goalkeepers seem like the leaders of each team, they can swing the game which ever way at crucial moments just by giving the slightest touch to the ball.
Also keepers get their team's hopes up, like if your a field player and you see your keeper save an almost-certain goal, obviously that would make the game easier on you and get your spirits high. I agree like the posts before me, goalkeepers are great only when they give the game every thing they've got.
I would, though, say there are many good keepers this year, hard to choose from them which is the best. Stats don't always show who is better.
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90 your reasoning is a bit ridiculous. you're telling me that even though i have never played keeper before in my life, if i play keeper for my school because say our starter got hurt then i automatically become a great keeper? By your reasoning any starter at any school is considered good just because he is "obviously better than anyone else in his school" at that particular position.
Buffon any player can swing a game one way or the other at a crucial moment. True, a goalkeeper can have a large effect on a team's results and spirits, but i think you're giving all keepers a little too much credit. Some goalkeepers for good teams may only see 3 or 4 shots per game.
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What I'm trying to say is that goalkeepers take some credit, but not more than they deserve. Usually a goalkeeper has more credit than one man on the field because of the importance of good goalkeeping. Field players do swing games more often than keepers, but a single field player usually doesn't change the game as much as the man in the goal. Its the team as a whole that determines whether they are winners or not, so the keeper doesn't take all the credit.
Also I agree with the amount of shots per game on a keeper thats on a GOOD team, but when playing against a hard, ranked team he or she playing the keeper might find it a bit harder than regular games, but saving shots isn't all what a keeper is about. Not to mention, when back in the net, one mistake could mean a goal. So basically for 90 minutes, the pressure is on.
Something I've heard, mostly in other american sports like football and basketball; "Offense wins games, but defence wins championships." And guess who the leader of the defence in soccer usually is or should be.
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I think George Rushe might have put himself at the top with his performance tonight
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Goalkeeping may as well determine every game rather than the play on the field. It takes alot of fast decision-making that takes alot of experience to do every thing right. Goalkeepers seem like the leaders of each team, they can swing the game which ever way at crucial moments just by giving the slightest touch to the ball.
Also keepers get their team's hopes up, like if your a field player and you see your keeper save an almost-certain goal, obviously that would make the game easier on you and get your spirits high. I agree like the posts before me, goalkeepers are great only when they give the game every thing they've got.
I would, though, say there are many good keepers this year, hard to choose from them which is the best. Stats don't always show who is better.
I agree in my last game the other we were up 3-0 but the other team scored off a difflection of a defender. I don't want to sound like i am boasting but i probably would have had it if it didnt happen. The momentum of the game shifted and they were shooting a lot more. Our moral and momentum and dropped. We had just committed a foul in the box and they got a PK. It was a lot of pressure just like most PK's, I blocked and then the other team committed a foul allowing us to clear it. After that PK save our momentum changed and we started playing much better. So i agree the way a keeper plays will lift the spirits of his team.
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Actually, I was just messing with Benp with the second post. The reason for the first post was just to commend all goal keepers for playing the position. I didnt actually intend for everyone to get on my case about it. My main focus was to try and explain the talent it takes to play the position, and to steer clear of the select few that everyone claims to be the best. Who knows maybe people will start talking about the less popular keepers and what they have done for their team.
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I must say, 90 is one of the best keepers i've seen all year, but he doesn't take too much credit cause he isn't on a good team.
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I like this line...."Last line of defense, first line of offense." Try playing with out your 11th man, it would be a joke without them!
I say goalkeepers that don't see the ball much during season somtimes get more credit than they should just because their field players keep the ball away from goal most of the time. BUT I'm NOT stripping goalkeepers of their dignity, they deserve credit too. Playoffs is where these keepers that play for absoultely solid teams, who don't see the ball much, can show a lot more of their stuff, since the playing fields begin to level out with each passing round of the playoffs. I am sad to say this, but goalkeepers that are really solid, but play for not so hot teams are often over looked just b/c they get scored on a lot more than solid teams. They fall between the cracks. Keeper wars could do the trick, help better deterimine the best goalkeeper.
( it would be almost nearly impossible to get every goalkeeper in the state to compete in a keeper war, but with the right organization and people, I believe its possible. Note: I didn't say Keeper wars is the best and only way to determine the best keeper, it would HELP better determine answers to who is actually a great keeper )
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My days in soccer were over quite a while ago. I'm too fat now.
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I've seen fat keepers before, some of them were decent, although I bet you weren't very good if you think any keeper is a good keeper, then again, what do I know
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the ebst keepers are george from dreher... davis from spring valley.. and the fro guy at northwestern
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Here's where they stand near the end of the season (** have GAA at/below 1.00):
School Rank – Goal Against Average (GAA)
(1) NW: 0.48**
(2) HH: 1.00**
(3) FM: 0.54**
(4) SV: 0.73**
(5) SA: 1.24
(6) Irmo: 1.13
(7) Wando: 0.48**
(8) Lexington: 1.16
(9) DF: 1.32
(10) JI: 0.96**
(11) WA: 1.48
(12) Dorman: 0.96**
(13) Mauldin 1.00**
(14) Greenwood: 1.39
(15) Wren: 1.24
Some other's you've mentioned:
Greenville: 0.17**
Dreher: 1.04
BE: 0.92**
Beaufort: 1.19
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If you also consider the 'goals scored against opponents avg', this equates to possession and time not challenging the Keep. NW & Greenville's Keeps are rarely challenged in a game while the FM, SV & Wando Keeps are much more challenged.
School Rank - Goals Scored Against Opponents Avg
(1) NW: 6.8
(3) FM: 3.9
(4) SV: 3.0
(7) Wando: 3.7
(1) Greenville: 5.6
Stats alone, I'd give best to FM, SV or Wando!
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Thanks for the kudos SFF, Mark has done an outstanding job for FM.
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442, Does Mark play club (where?), also curious if the SV Keep plays club too?
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I know this gets said all the time, but you can't solely judge the best keeper by goals allowed. There are PLENTY of other factors that go into how many goals you have scored against you. Strength of your defense is the most obvious one and of course who you play. Having shutouts against teams like LR, RNE, Hartsville, Rock Hill aren't really saying much about the quality of a keeper. It's hard to judge a keeper without actually seeing him play so I guess we can just have some more fun and continue with this debate forever.... and ever.
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SV keeper played for the state champion NECSA U-18's this past year, but he will be 18 eligible again this year. It will be interesting to see where he plays. The most logical choice would be the merged CSC-NECSA team (although many/most of the players in that age group from NECSA had already come over prior to the merger). That would make for an amazing goalkeeping duo. Both Davis from Spring Valley and McCabe from Dutch Fork on the same club team.
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I also he might possibly tryout for the bridge U17 team that won the state championship...any thoughts on the better choice
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I don't think he would play as much at CUFC as he would at Bridge. Also, JC Gypin is a "free agent" for u18 next year.
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FM over NW, Way to go FM Keep!
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NOTE: Taylor (Wando), Dimaggio (Fort Mill) & Ricciardone (BE) were selected yesterday to the SC All-State Teams - CONGRATULATIONS!
I've posted these stats before but here's an update through the playoffs (** have GAA at/below 1.00):
School Rank – Goal Against Average (GAA)
(1) NW: 0.56**
(2) HH: .92**
(3) FM: 0.50**
(4) SV: 0.72**
(5) SA: 1.32
(6) Wando: 0.54**
(7) Irmo: 1.32
(8) Lexington: 1.00**
(9) DF: 1.11
(10) JI: 1.00**
(11) Dorman: 0.79**
(12) WA: 1.43
(13) Mauldin 1.00**
(14) Greenwood: 1.23
(15) Wren: 1.62
Some other's you've mentioned:
Greenville: 0.13**
Dreher: 1.04
BE: 0.73**
Beaufort: 1.26
If you also consider the 'goals scored against opponents avg', this equates to possession and time not challenging the Keep. NW & Greenville's Keeps are rarely challenged in a game while the FM, SV, Wando, Dorman and BE Keeps are much more challenged.
School Rank - Goals Scored Against Opponents Avg
(1) NW: 7.0
(3) FM: 4.2
(4) SV: 4.2
(6) Wando: 3.9
(11) Dorman: 1.9**
(1) Greenville: 6.2
(1) BE: 3.9
Stats alone, I'd give best to FM, SV, Wando, Dorman or BE!
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If you don't count the one forfeit from Branchville, AM has a 6.846 "goals scored against opponents avg" and a 1.15 "goals against average"
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tellitonthefield, the point is that a "goal scored against opponent avg" of around 7 (AM, NW, & Greenville) means that those team's offenses control the ball ALOT!. Thus the Keep never touches it, which would explain the LOW (lower the better) GAA. In NW's and Greenville's case, below 0.5. Your Keep is above 1.00, NOT GOOD!
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One thing you haven't discussed is that some teams pull their #1 keeper in the blowouts and get their reserve some playing time. So if the starter is always playing the "good" teams but partially playing the "bad" teams, then his gaa could be skewed a little high.
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I'm not trying to boast that AM is the best by any means, I'm just saying that you had teams listed with high scores (low for GAA) and I decided to look it up myself, and just noticed that AM was not listed. Just throwing it out there, not trying to compare its program with NW and Greenville
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Cola, your absolutely right, since I don't keep stats for every Keep, i'm just going by what I calculate which is the Highest GAA for a Team's 1,2+ Keeps they have.
Tellitotf, The teams I covered were 4A with some from other divisions 'cause they were mentioned in this thread as 'Best'. The problem with a high scoring team is that it distorts the Keeps GAA - low, such as Greenville, and, when they're finally challenged like Greenville's last game, the Keep gets 4 goals scored on him. And, when it comes time to show your stuff, PKs, the Greenville Keep just didn't have it. Greenville's two losses this season were both in PKs (3-1 2x). I think this clearly demonstrates my point.
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Nice to see Mark DiMaggio get the recognition. He did a nice job organizing a very young Fort Mill defense that played in front of him.
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SFF, you are making WAY too many assumptions.
You say "If you also consider the 'goals scored against opponents avg', this equates to possession and time not challenging the Keep." Maybe in most cases, you can say that if one team beats another one 5-0, the winning team possessed the ball the majority of the match. But, again, that is purely speculation. I have seen plenty of games where a team has outscored their opponent by several goals, yet possessed the ball about the same amount, or in some cases, less than the losing team (twice in just the last two weeks).
Same thing with GAA – you are assuming that a goalkeeper has done an excellent job based solely on a low number, when in fact, there may be nothing further from the truth. As far as you know from games you have not seen, the goalkeeper may have never touched the ball. He may owe his low GAA to superb fullbacks. You, yourself, even admit that “The problem with a high scoring team is that it distorts the Keeps GAA.”
If your objective for all the numbers is purely mindless entertainment, fine, but to say “The rest SUCK!” or “Your Keep is above 1.00, NOT GOOD!” about any keeper who does not fit your idea (yes, I realize this website has a list) of a good goalkeeper is definitely unfair to many good keepers.
If you want to say that’s the way you feel, go right ahead. But, you appear to be stating as fact that which is in reality only speculation.
Saying that a keeper is NOT GOOD or SUCKs, having NEVER actually seen him or her play is just plain irresponsible. I can understand the younger posters on this bulletin board making those types of comments, but you are a little old for that.
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Soccer For Fun - just a thought here...you seem 2 b n2 the numbers pretty seriously. Maybe you could come up with some sort of program or formula using several different factors, including GAA, GSAOS, records of teams, records of opponents, etc. There is already alot of info regarding the ranking stuff....maybe you could incorporate that into your formulas. That way, your numbers would probably come a lot closer to the way things really are. Obviously, that is a lot of work - I'm sure Chico wouldn't mind me volunteering his services or past experience with this sort of thing. Heck, he might have already done the same thing at some point in time. Just a suggestion.
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Both the Northwestern and Spring Valley goal keepers have 19 shutouts on the season(including scrimmages). This game is going to be a battle...if anyone can score!
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Wrong! Both Spring Valley's keeper, and Northwestern's defense have 19 shutouts this season. (nothing against SV's defense, they played a big part no doubt, but Davis is legit)
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Davis is pretty solid back there for SV. He's pretty tall and does a good job with crosses, free kicks, long throws and other high balls of that sort. I've only played against Crawford a few times so I don't really know how good he is but from what I have seen he certainly doesn't seem bad, but he's nothing that special either.
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i saw the nmb keeper this year, and he is very impressive. He led his back line to only 12 goals allowed and 14 shootouts this past season
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