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Check this out. We had a questionable call in the Blackville vs. Silver Bluff. A silver Bluff player kicked a a PK and our keeper blocked it. Then the kicker ran and kicked it in. I was under the impression that anybody other than the kicker can kick the ball in. Somebody please clear this up if I'm wrong.
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After the goalie touches it, anyone can touch it. However, if the ball had come off of the post then the kicker could not be the first to touch it. Just basically like a free-kick... someone can't dribble the ball around a wall and score.
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The same thing happended in the Wando/BE game letting Wando win.
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From FIFA "Laws of the Game", Penalty kick procedure (www.fifa.com):
- The player taking the penalty kicks the ball forward.
- He may not play the ball a second time until it has touched another player.
- The ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward.
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speaking of garbage calls. we had a ball hit the post and while it was in the air it crossed the line of regulation, shouldve been a goal right. well the goalie hooked his arm in and threw the ball out. ref told them to continue play. a goal that would have won it in the 79th minute but it was just a bad call
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i pretty much watch it every day during school!!!
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scsk, kind of validates why SC is 50th in education doesn't it?
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yea this pretty much validates it!!! this video is better than anything school can give you!!!
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its not our fault that our education isn't up to par for the rest of the U.S. hah
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wait. is that pk in the clip legal?
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Yes it is. The ball just has to be played forward and not played by the first player until it is played by a second player.
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Yep, it's legal, by the book. -Everyone was outside the penalty area until the ball was kicked, and then the teammate rushed in. -The ball was played forward. (Nobody said it has to be played all the way to the goal!) -The kicker did not touch the ball a second time until after another player touched it. -The original kicker wasn't offsides on the pass, since he was behind the ball when it was played to him.
Sneaky and really unorthodox, yeah...but legal. I'd be interested to see how most officials at the high school level would react to seeing that, though!
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i thought yall might like that, i have talked about trying this sometime, he thinks high school officials would get confused and not know what to do!!!
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It would be a really cool thing to do in a game but at the same time, not something I would ever consider -especially if the game was a close one.
The PK in the clip leaves a large margin for error versus just taking a 'normal' PK. A Penalty Kick is really an easy goal; twelve yards away from an eight-yard wide goal. A straight kick in either side of the net is an almost guaranteed goal. In my opinion, in a close game situation, the 'guaranteed' goal would be preferred over the fancy, 'not-so-guaranteed' shot on goal.
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If I was a pro player and I had to pass the ball to score off a PK, I'd hang my head in shame.
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It would have been awsome if he wiffed the second time
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that would have been funny if he had ended up missing it!!!
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i think it increases your chances of making it. for one, you catch the keepere off guard and two, you get even closer to the goal
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BHS Keeper...you, if anyone, should know there are no "guaranteed" goals, even with PKs. I've seen plenty collected or deflected by keepers who either make a good read or get lucky; plenty more sail high or wide, many because of the extra pressure of trying to slip one by a particularly good keep. You know I don't advocate getting fancy (simpler is better; just get it done), but hey...it would surely catch even the most acrobatic of keepers off guard!
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you should watch arsenal, henry and pires have mastered that play...i havent seen it to often but when they do it its a goal
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Coach Chass,
There are definitely no 100% guaranteed, sure-fire PK's in any game situation. As you said, many are deflected or sail high and wide, never coming close to being a 'guaranteed goal.' I, like you, believe more in simplicity than being fancy; I was simply stating that in my opinion, a straight PK on goal would have a much higher success rate than a PK taken involving the passing and good-timing required to take a PK like the one in the clip.
You saw in practice that it took us about three times to mimic and successfully do this 'move.' Yet, a well placed, straight PK could slip by me almost everytime (i.e. Gracie-lou's PK during Animal Ball) But this was just my opinion about it.
This would definitely be something to catch any keeper offguard. I know that I would never expect this coming from any of our games (and let me knock on wood for that...)
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Yea it would be interesting to try but in a close game i would rather have the most consistant pk taker on the team just put one on the board. A well placed PK can not be stopped by a keeper.
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Yeah, no argument to either of you there...emphasis, of course, on "well-placed." And if one (or rather, two) of my team tried that trick and messed it up, they'd never hear the end of it from me...
Only way I'd try that is if I just didn't have a good, consistent PK shooter available on the field at the time...or if the game wasn't on the line and I just wanted to freak some people out...
...or maybe if the game WAS on the line and I wanted to freak some people out...there's a lot to be said for psychological warfare...
OK, no. Just bury the ball in the upper 90. 'Nuff said.
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Swansea Winger, you're actually wrong. Pires and Henry have tried the penalty twice this season, it worked once, the other time was a complete debacle and just made them look silly.
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i didnt say in this season so ummm....yeah im right
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i didnt know a video would caause such a controversy!!!
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its a PK pick a corner, and score and go home!!!
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In 2004 NMB played MB in a match that NMB won in PK's we realized though that we needed to practice them alot more, while we were practicing the question arose about shooting the ball directly in or not. So we put the question to a test in our next match, of course the game was a blow out or we never would have tried it. The shooter laid the ball off to his left and another player ran through and dribbled the ball into the corner of the goal. The keeper and the ref just froze. The ref thought about it and then signaled goal. The right decision. the players were excited to add to their stats, one got a goal and the other an assist.
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thats one way to boost stats i guess!!!
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I personnaly was a victim of something like this a few years ago. Don't let most keepers lie to you. At a higher level, the ones that they stop are just because they guessed right and picked a side and went for it. Most of us do it. If they deny it they are lieing. I guessed one way, leaned that way at the approach and the strike of the ball, only to freeze as it rolled forward about three feet, just in time for a man behind him to now have three quarters of the net to the left of me to DRILL it from 10 to 11 yards with a keeper fozen as he tries to stop moving to the right and regroup and try to get back to the left. Impossible. Done the way on the video it is alittle fancier using two passes. Mine was a simple tap forward, giving the player behind him plenty of time to see which way I guessed. Nearly an empty net.
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quote: Don't let most keepers lie to you. At a higher level, the ones that they stop are just because they guessed right and picked a side and went for it. Most of us do it. If they deny it they are lieing.
Doc,
Call me a liar all you want but I have to disagree with you. I am the starting keeper for the Berkeley Girls' soccer team and for me, PK's are much more than just picking a side and diving. I can honestly say that I've never just randomly picked a side for a Penalty Kick and dove. (And, mind you, only one of the seven PK's shot on me has scored and that was during the overtime PK's against Battery Creek the first game of the season.)
I always look at their eyes as the first factor in where I may dive. Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first...) but I look at their eyes anyway. I know it's easy for a kicker to fool a keeper this way but even so...
Then I look at where they position themselves in relation to the ball. And last, right as they kick it, I watch the plant-foot to see which direction it's pointed.
So, I can say that I don't just pick a side a dive. Penalty Kicks (for a keeper) are so much more than just a guess and hope to be correct -especially if the game may be on the line.
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I'd have to agree with BHS Keeper. I played keeper competitivly for awhile (earned a SCISA State Championship in PK's) and now help out on the side with a competitive program. THere is alot more that goes into saving a PK then picking a side and getting lucky. IT is an intense time with lots going on in your head. Its more psychological then anything i've seen on the field.
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