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Now that the season is about to come to a close, here is a serious question.

The refs have been lambasted all year, especially here on this forum(especially by me), but with all the bad/wrong/missed calls, how many of you have seen/played/coached a game where the officials cost your team the game?

Most all of the games I have seen this year have been decided by players and fortunately not by the officials, your thoughts..........

hurst, what was the purpose of your post? i think chuck was just trying to get some conversation started something other than that dreherheckler guy telling everyone how they are wrong and that dreher is the greatest

None, but boy did they get my blood pressure up a couple of times.

If you feel there should be one, feel free to start one! I'm just asking opinions from all the people who have complained. I stated mine, so unless you have one, get your girlie butt out of my thread! Besides if officials are busy monitering the coaching/fans/individual players, well then they will be comdeming themselves, as they should have been focusing on the play not the surroundings!

I've seen a good bit of games this year.. from the Upstate..to the Midlands.. high profile tournaments and dinky "who cares" matches.. playoffs..regular season..2A, 3A, 4A.

And I will say NOT ONE match was decided by a refs call..or non-call.

This thread is about to get loaded up with a bunch of fans and parents that think the refs hate their little sweet heart..but after seeing some of the games that people feel were "stolen" ..I feel stronger than ever that refs have very little to do with the outcome of the game.

I will say though..that officials in SC need to step it up..but so does the quality of play..and coaching. We all have a lof of work to do.. the refs are just the easiest outlet.

The best team USUALLY wins.. sometimes there are upsets..and when teams are evenly match.. well hell..SOMEONE LOSES!

There have been multiple times..during a match I've thought "holy sh** that's a horrible call..I have to talk about it later" ..and then once I got to a computer..or on the phone..I'd totally forgotten about it..because as an impartial observer..the play overcame the officiating (which is how I feel watching most professional/international soccer)

That's my 75 cents.

Agor, thanks! That was the point, to show that even though some people feel that the officiating may have been bad, it never cost anybody a game, which would be a travesty.

Thats the kind of answer I was looking for Jack, and you said it, "the play overcame the officiating"!

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why this idea of 'bad refs' is so much more prevelant in high school games? Could it be the fans who are at fault? We see a lot of the same faces reffing in club ball, and yeah, there are some moments, but none of the vitrol you see in the spring.

Chuck, I'd be surprised if most comments aren't like Jack's. I ref and Jack just saw me a week or so ago, yikes...really for me, reffing is a blast! I get the same exhileration I had as a player...a few years ago...actually basketball. As a ref, I don't mind the *****ing on difficult calls, what drives me truly nuts is when a coach, player or fan starts on the first play and continues incessantly. Bad throw (which few understand) hand ball (that in no way was hand to ball), get his hands down...gosh, lobby me for calls, but do it on the tough ones not every move on the field.
The best refs are "consistant" so the players quickly get a feel for the calls and play accordingly. I hope I do that...mostly, I really enjoy the reffing and hope to continue.

Bob

Bob - Hate to bring you out here in public. But I can't hold it in any longer. You royally screwed Lugoff-Elgin last week. All 7 of Seneca's goals were offsides..and half the team should have been red carded in the first 20 minutes!




ps - too bad D-dub didn't make it past Riverside. I was looking forward to seeing the Lions at Stone. Cheers.

Yeh, well, next time you'll be removed from the playing field for not being rostered!!

Bob
ps- can't believe you are siding with the lowerstate in AAA!!

Touche. And I'll heckle you relentlessly from outside the gate.

FYI: I'm a superb heckler.. such lines as "YOUR FUNDAMENTALS ARE ATROCIOUS!" or "THAT WAS A POOR CALL MR. OFFICIAL!" are a standard of my heckling repertoire. You have been warned.

-If Daniel were repping the Upstate..I'd be a bit more torn. As far as I'm concerned though..Riverside has had more than their share of glory. How selfish of you upstaters! Can't we just have one down here?

buzz, again, that's what I was looking for. I even said myself in the opening that I had not seen any games that were decided by officials, but wondered, after all the talk of officiating if anybody really thought that the officials dictated a game. I am sorry that you have to endure the horror that is Jack! But maybe you will never feel his wrath, I know if anyone ever said that to me, I would cry and cure cancer!

have i seen a game where a ref made a call that decided a game this year? no, not one call decided a game but failure to make calls on muggings inside and outside of the box does decide games brecause the tenor or the game changes when the ref allows physical play to dictate instead of passing and combinations. the lack of calls is what usually decides games because defenders get more and more aggressive to the point that they put saddles on fowards in the box. so no, i havent seen a game decided by 1 bad call, but i have seen several decided by failure to make the calls so that we watch football instead of the beautiful game.

My favorite was a JV game where they called "handball" near the box, giving the opponent a free kick that led dirctly to a goal. The opponent had 2 shots on goal all game and we lost 1-0. The handball call? The player was hit in the face, not hands, and had to leave soon after for the blood dripping from his mouth. The lost was due to our inability to score on 15+ shots but that horrific call directly led to the only goal.

Consistency is the key to good officiating. If one team has a player go over the back of another player, and it is called a foul, then PLEASE make the call when the other team does it.

BCSoccerDad...you have done nothing but whine since you got on the board...

and another thought...go get on the girls forum and support your lowerstate champion girls team. Don't worry about your highly succesful jv teams or your boys team...their seasons are over

When a ref misses a call chances are he didn't see it. When a ref consistently calls a game allowing or not allowing play at level that makes parents or coaches unhappy that's life. When a coach yells at a ref (even if the ref is wrong) he is knowingly violating the spirit and the rules of the game. Who is the worst offender? When parents constantly yell at the ref, not completely understanding either the rules of the game or what the ref saw and that teaches his son or daughter to lie on the field when not really injured and letting the opponent score, Or worse causes his child to be disrespectful to the ref and receive a card. Who is more at fault? I think we all need to consider that fact that in general we, by acting that way are much worse then the ref who didn't see it. Those actions are worse still when it's an 8 and under game with a 14 year old ref.

Sorry but this was a girls game but same thing. Emeralds playoff game with SCS.. final few minutes left in the second 10 minute overtime.. game tied ref is standing 5 yards from the box facing the SCS keeper.. ball is shot at the goal bounces off player.. EHS girl has possession of the ball and is pushed down from behind in the box by SCS player. The players all stop expecting a call.. with hesitation the ref waves his arm for play to resume. This was a critical call that should have been made. Everyone saw it, he saw it so why would he not call it, who knows was he afraid to make a call that could decide the outcome of a game. This might sound like sour grapes but it is not. He had a clear view of the play but chose not to call it. That is what I am talking about, hesitation, not sure what to do or call. SCS travels down the field gets corner kick bounces off post into net time runs out they win . Classic example.

Hey 22. Read the topic, this is a subject that we can "whine" about. If you don't like folks commenting on certian subjects, don't read the posts.

Plus I've been to several girls games, varsity & JV, so bite me.

I have watched my sons play soccer for 18 years and more than a thousand games and I can only think of two or three times that I thought a ref's call was the ultimate difference in the outcome.
What has upset me most though is when refs allow aggressive play to go on uncalled, regardless which team is doing it. I think that refs primary mission should be to protect the players. Uncalled aggressive play draws more ire and venom from the players, parents , and fans than any other decision the ref makes. Heaven forbid that a player gets injured as a result of letting aggressive play go unchecked. If that happens then control of the match is in jeopardy and the ref, in my opinion, then deserves whatever language comes his way. A called or uncalled hand ball, offsides call, bad throw-in, etc. is tolerable and its understandable that the ref may make a mistake but its unacceptable to allow obvious and continued agressive play to go unchecked. Even if a take down does not technically meet the qualifications for a foul the ref should warn players or issue cards for dangerous play.

Way to go clubdad! I agree with you 100%!

In some cases they may have impacted a teams' season when a top player gets hurt due to the fact that the ref did not manage the game properly. First objective of the ref is to protect the players. This is an area they have failed in a few games!