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R-VII Talking about JI, WA, Wa is like beating a dead horse. Everyone know's their story.

R-II Most interesting (and unpredictable) playoff race in the upstate

R-V Top 3 are interchangable. DF right behind.

R-IV SA and Lex are entertaining.

R-III They've got FM. That's kinda cool.

R-VIII #11 & #13

R-I Only one team ranked all year and region race isn't even close (see Wren High School)

R-VI They try real hard (I pray this comment doesn't come back and bite me in the butt one day)

Region V is my choice for the best. Not because of any power teams, just because they will have a 5th place team sitting at home during the playoffs that could give just about every other team in it a good game. Five teams from Region V have been ranked at one point in time this year.

Region V - Five good teams
Region II - Four good teams
Region VII - Three great teams

How much greatness does it take to outweigh goodness? The beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

P.S. Watch out for Irmo, an experienced and well-coached team that seems to be playing very well right now!

Very interesting argument. The old argument, quality or quantity?

In the end, with only 1 left standing, it's definitely quality.

Bear,

I agree with you if you are talking about where the champ comes from. However, I think that R1C was talking about overall Region to Region comparisons. If I follow what it appears your logic is - Fort Mill wins the State Championship, then Region III is the best Region??? You would probably find it tough to gain any agreement with that on this board.

I had to edit my post b/c I you said my exact words. The easiest way to do it would be to line up 1 v 1, 2 v 2, 3 v 3, 4 v 4, and so on to get a more accurate reading.

I am not asking this question from a position of knowledge...but, how did The Taco Cup work out when you do the Region to Region comparisons?

You would probably have to throw out the teams (for comparison purposes) that were the only invite from their Region, as that would probably skew the reults to that particular Region without a significant sample.

I know, I know...basketball, injuries, other commitments, etc...also skewing the results. But it looks like R1C needs something to do, and this is my favorite subject to babble on about today. I mean, Chapindad should feel good that we haven't asked him to give us a recap of their last game. (I hope Katie is OK?)

deahler,

I venture over here because normally the threads have more meat to them, and are more enlightening, but after reading Fergie's eloquent, dominated but lost, key players out, refs were awful, followed by an eloquent rebuttal that you did it to us too, my image was shattered. That one is rehashed daily on the other side.

I really was just talking about the championship. When I read this, it sounds like some have already declared FM the champs. (of course if half of what Hurst says is true, they might be) This could be construed as trying to figure out which region champion is the best of the runners up.

You must understand, due to my work, I am relegated to the lower part of the state, further down the food chain by being west of the cooper, and further down yet by being in SCISA. So I really have no knowledge of the other parts of the state, and would have to defer to others.

Of course, in the end it will be clear which region produced the champion.

Region III could only offer up one entry to the Taco Cup.

An inter-regional clash which mimics the ACC / Big Ten basketball challenge might work (R1C mentions it above). Any variation featuring 4A teams from V, II & VII would be worth watching.

Bear....thanks for the endorsement.

Clearly Region 7 has the most dominant trio of teams in the state. I wouldn't want to be Goose Creek or Stratford, having to lace 'em up against those 3 every night.

I also agree that Region 5 is going to have a team sitting home that could be a Region Champ elsewhere. Right now, I would not agree that the top 3 are interchangeable. As much as it pains me to say, Irmo is in control. Their defeat of Richland Northeast earlier this week by a score of 3-0 was BIG. The next 3 (RNE, SV, DF) have a lot of region matches left, so who knows where it will shake out. I predict Irmo, RNE, SV and DF, in that order, with Ridge View being left home. That also creates a first round matchup of DF vs the #1 seed from Region 7, which I predict to be JI. The Ridge View girls will have a better time that night.

Based on strength of Region schedule, I am not prepared to award the state championship to Fort Mill. I know they've played all those NC teams, but there's no head-to-head comparisons. They may be there at the end, but region play will not prepare them for the playoffs.

I like James Island to win it all. Or, another team from Region 7.

FM is at RNE next Thursday. That's the best SC tune-up that they have left.

I don't know FoxFan...5-0 over Dorman, and 7-1 over Spartanburg in back-to-back games...that's pretty impressive work by Fort Mill - or anyone for that matter! Those games were played just a few weeks ago.

I had a friend who got an email from a buddy's wife who read that Fort Mill girl's soccer is being indicted in the BALCO case.

That cream was Atomic Balm wasn't it?????

I didn't like the look of all those beards at the Rebel Invitational.

Irmo's really playing well right now. I still like Mouton and the RNE team. They're hard nosed, but need some more big wins.

Mouton is a soccer playing marvel. She would be on my list of best forwards in the state.

lpaf

Mouton is probably the most dangerous player in the state with the ball at her feet, but she needs to work harder to get the ball, and foul less in the process.

B.O.R,

You are much too hard on Ms. Mouton. How much 'help' does she have on her team?

B.O.R.

Have you seen any Fort Mill or West Ashley games this year?

...being blind and all.

R1C
My seeing eye dog saw both play in the Viking Cup early in the year, and he considers them the top contenders for the state title, however he has not seen Mauldin.

For the sake of friendly conversation, you see Mouton as the strongest player of the three teams combined?

What kind of dog? I have a beautiful mutt formed from a pure German Sheppard and a pure black labador. "Rica" is the best ball-retrieving guard dog west of the coopah.

I consider Alex the top scoring threat, not the strongest player, from the three teams mentioned.

I have 2 wonderful "Irmo Stupies" that are brothers. Mom was part golden reteriver; dad was an unknown rogue.

Newbie here. FM has skill and depth at each position. How do the (probable) teams they'll face in the playoffs fair in that regard?

Easley will likely take them first round. No point looking ahead...

I wonder if FM will play their starters - in position- for that game...

I agree with B.O.R. about Alex on everything. She is very fast and can dribble at full stride. Her biggest threat is on the break aways and counter-attacks. It will be nice to see her at USC.

Abandon hope. Repent your sins. Pray for a typhoon. The Green Wave are coming...

Ft. Mill girls are the real deal. They may be the best team h.s.,club,or college team in the upstate. Some think they would easily beat the winthrop women's team. They are excellent and well coached.

A million, patrillion dollars says Furman takes them by 3 goals. Half a million, patrillion dollars says CESA premier takes them by no less than 2.

FM is one of several good S.C. HS teams. Each will soon have an opportunity to prove that they are the best this year.

The rest of the comparisons are over the top.

A million, patrillion dollars? That's all?

I'd bet a googolplex dollars. I'd bet a gesundheit dollars. I might even bet a few Euros.

I've got to tell you, after reading all of these posts, that a pretty large kharma debt is being built by fans of a certain high school.

Clearly the best team in the state, bar none, is the U-8 Sharks here on the the coast..

I agree Chico...whatever happened to humility..

Chico / OPG:

scsoccermann appears to be from Hartsville, not FM.

I attributed the comments to his frame of reference. I believe his comments, though kind, are over the top.

Favorable comments for that "certain high school" are from Lexington, Summerville, Irmo and Hartsville... at least in this thread. Comments from FMDad seem pretty benign.

So are we talking "wrongful kharma debt"??

Hey "Buzz" I'll take "benign" Vs. some of the other options seen in here... Let's just see what FM does with all of their 5 college-committed played on the field, their starting keeper back, the kids all playing their real positions and the "score limit" rule relaxed. We didn't dream up the realignment that left us with little competetion, and that probably will hurt against better teams. But wait. Didn't we win a couple of tournaments WITH some of those teams....? Let's all just hope it doesn't some down to PKs !

Dad - Who are FM's 5 college-committed?

Claypool - Anderson
Blaschke - Charleston Southern
Fi cklen - Clemson

Are there 2 more committed?

Having Salerno back in goal will be good for FM, but Ostrander is showing well. FM is fortunate to have 2 capable goalies; unfortunate to have one injured.

Maybe my count was wrong. (Time will tell)Ostrander played all but a few minutes last year on the #4 ranked team but did not play in the only loss this year. Both keepers have GAA under .5, which doesn't begin to tell the story for keepers. In FM's case neither does saves! Their keepers don't get much game action, but do get to practice against some kids I'm glad I don't have to stop! (ouch!!. Hope ALL kids for ALL teams are healthy 'nuff to participate in the playoffs!!

If karma continues to exist between reincarnated lives, it can certainly exist over several weeks of message board threads!

It could very well be "wrongful karma debt" -- some well-meaning [or even deeply evil] people attempting to increase the karmic debt of a certain high school team, which of course, will increase the karmic debt of those individuals who are evil.

The only karmic defense I know of is to do what R1C does for TLH, or what deahler/LF/etc. do for Lexington, or what LPAF does for WA -- any time someone attempts to increase your team's karmic debt through praise, you have to be self-deprecating toward your team [at least for the season underway] in order to increase your team's karma.

Dang! Chico, that was deep and very well communicated. I'm tracking with ya.

I nominate H66 for "self-deprecation kharma duty" for a certain high school.

T.L. Hanna is a deplorable school so lacking in skill and character from player to coach that they will never win the state championship in girls AAAA soccer.

(CHA-CHING!!!)

FM will have to get through a very emotional Senior Night this evening versus an "ever-improving" Rock Hill side.

Thursday FM visits a SC 4A ranked opponent for the first time in a long time. Playing at RNE, who is more than a "one-gal show", will be a true test that they may not be ready for.

Friday the Lady Jackets take on arch-rival Northwestern in Rock Hill. The Lady Trojans have only one loss in the region this year and always give FM fits. Their first-year coach has done an "incredible" job with this squad and FM will be fortunate to get out alive.

By Monday, the Lady Mavs or a Region 7 team will probably sit atop the rankings.

Whew.........

I tried.

All of your """"" gave me headaches.

Hurst66,

The 4a teams ranked 1-8 are more complete as a team than the teams rank 9-15, who tend to have large holes in their game. So don't get too excited over playing RNE. RNE has very good forwards and center-mids but the outside and backfield have a lot of problems.

I pick Irmo as the dark horse in the tourney.

Chapindad, how do you know the 9-15 have large holes in their game? Have you seen all these teams play? Just wondering if that was an assumption, or based on truth from your own eyes? Very generalized statement you made about a lot of quality programs......

If it can't be FM, let it be Irmo.

Irmo got FM into the Taco Cup semi-final with a very gutty performance. We're forever grateful.

Wow. There's some serious kharma manipulation being attempted in this thread now. Good job H66. Better job R1C!

Ahh... if claiming the state championship was only that easy.

Chapindad - Irmo's really shining lately. If they peak at the right time, you may be spot on with your pick.

Hurst:

Guess I better go to the RH and NW games afterall..! If you see them as even remote possibilities I don't want to miss THAT event. What's the status of FMs walking (almost) wounded?

No matter how much "good kharma" is being spread on this thread......NEVER share an injury report.

(There are people out there listening!)

Dodged a bullet there...

Welllll, as an ole coach there are a couple of ways to look at that....depending what you're trying to accomplish! Yikes! It's almost time to go to be sure of getting a seat for that early match!

Chapindad is cheating! I picked Irmo as the darkhorse LAST week...

Thumb war, the only way to ever truly solve an argument.

This has changed dramatically with ridgeview beating RNE and Dutch Fork.

RV has a very good team well coached and very physically athletic.

SV could very well be in 4th place if it not for winning two clutch games in overtime and PK's against RV, Ridge View controlled the match in both instances but failed to score with multiple opportunities on goal. This is because ridgeviews top scorer from last year is splitting time in goal, and their other two are young (freshman and sophmore) This team is a sleeper and right now, could do real damage in the playoffs

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Originally posted by FoxFan:
Clearly Region 7 has the most dominant trio of teams in the state. I wouldn't want to be Goose Creek or Stratford, having to lace 'em up against those 3 every night.

I also agree that Region 5 is going to have a team sitting home that could be a Region Champ elsewhere. Right now, I would not agree that the top 3 are interchangeable. As much as it pains me to say, Irmo is in control. Their defeat of Richland Northeast earlier this week by a score of 3-0 was BIG. The next 3 (RNE, SV, DF) have a lot of region matches left, so who knows where it will shake out. I predict Irmo, RNE, SV and DF, in that order, with Ridge View being left home. That also creates a first round matchup of DF vs the #1 seed from Region 7, which I predict to be JI. The Ridge View girls will have a better time that night.

Based on strength of Region schedule, I am not prepared to award the state championship to Fort Mill. I know they've played all those NC teams, but there's no head-to-head comparisons. They may be there at the end, but region play will not prepare them for the playoffs.

I like James Island to win it all. Or, another team from Region 7.

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DDF,

The fact remains that Spring Valley won those 2 games against Ridge View. They also swept Dutch Fork, so they should hang onto the #2 seed.

RNE has 2 wins over Spring valley and split with Ridge View. They have lost 1 game to Dutch Fork and play them again tomorrow night, at Dutch Fork.

Ridge View lost 2 to SV and split with RNE and DF.

Dutch Fork lost 2 to SV, split with RV and after tomorrow night will probably have 2 wins over RNE.

Dutch Fork has a tie-breaker advantage over Ridge View, based on goal differential in head-to-head matches.

If Irmo wins out (most likely), and DF defeats RNE (somewhat likely), then DF will have the 3rd seed.

That leaves RV and RNE to fight it out for the 4th spot. The goal differential in head-to-head matches between these 2 is even. RNE beat SV twice. RV lost to SV twice. That doesn't bode well for RV. After that, I would refer to an earlier post by lpaf which outlines the steps needed to break this tie. The RV goal keeper(s) should begin practicing holding her breath underwater for extended periods.

The competition in Region IV remains fierce, with 4 teams (SV/DF/RNE/RV) being interchangeable on any given night. Every remaining game is important and will determine the final seeding from this region. Irmo is clearly a better team than these other 4 and will make noise deep into the playoffs.

I still think that Ridge View is going to be the team left out. Everyone outside of Region VI is bored to death by this post. Sorry about that.

Geez, my use of Roman Numerals in that last post was terrible. I got it wrong twice, 2 different ways. Sorry about that. The region in question is not IV or VI, but V. Can we just say 5-AAAA and be done with it?

My daughter doesn't play in Region V AAAA, and I am interested. I wonder how the tie-breakers pan out?

I've been told the tie breakers are the following...

1. Head-to-Head with the teams tied.
2. Points within the region
3. Winning percentage outside of the region, not including tournament games.
4. Coin flip
I guess we will just have to wait and see but this comes from an AD who should know.

Let me pose this question....if two first-place teams split in the regular season, and you go to the tie breaker, does a regulation/OT victory trump a PK victory?

Seems to me if I beat you straight up 1-0 in regulation, and you beat me 0-0 (4-2 PK's), I should get top seed right there, end of story.

Thoughts?

who are you referring to hurst? do you always have an agenda?

FoxFan

I here what you are saying and it does not look good for RV if DF wins tonight (we will have to wait and see) if DF takes a loss its a wash the top 4 are set, so DF has their destiny in their own hands.

However, watching Irmo Play SV last night, I would say they are a good team, but their is really about a split hairs difference between the top 5 teams in that region, and Irmo has had and still has the momentum.

My point wasn't that SV shouldn't have won, the point was simply that there is a pretty even distribution of talant between those 5 teams. Irmo seems to be the stronger team when it comes to will to win, beating RNE in OT, and now SV in OT etc.............

I wouldn't predict the outcome of the final places in this region for $1,000,000.00. But it is fun to watch

I dont have an opinion on who the better team is, i just know what the ranking order is right now. The games still have to be played......

Is Hurst talking boys soccer on the girls thread? It looks like he is turning on the loyal girls posters by bringing boys discussions here.

Answer to your question, No. A result is a result.

Secondly, did you not always talk about FM boys as having injuries. It was an excuse then, but if the FM girls have an injury, you dont want it out. Are the boys not listening on the girls thread?

High school boys coaching spies are everywhere...even this petty girls soccer message board. They're just waiting in the shadows for a tiny morsel of information that could take their 3-13 team to certain victory over a top 10 squad.

No agenda....just hypothetical.

Every team is beat up this time of year....not just FM boys & girls. No excuses, let the records stand for themselves.

DDF,

Yes, I admit my foolishness in trying to predetermine outcomes of Region V games that haven't been played yet. Every time I think I know how a game will turn out, I'm wrong. I'm conflicted about the 2 remaining Irmo/RV contests. I would like to see Irmo lose their "Region Undefeated" status, but that's just a cross-town rivalry thing. They are a great team with a great tradition, which makes them worthy of disdain. On the other hand, I would like to see RV lose both, so that they fall to #5 and the seeds are set. I know there is a match between these two tonight, but when is the rainout rescheduled? DF plays their last regular season match tonight, so we'll probably make an appearance at the last RV/Irmo match, whenever that is.

I heard the rainout is rescheduled for tomorrow wed at Ridgeview 7:30. I am not sure but would like know I may try and get over to that side of town for that one.

In this game both teams looked tired to me, I was expecting more team energy in the game but all in all it was a fair match.

The match was pretty even most of the way through with Irmo having a 3-5 minute burst that netted in 3 goals from the left side after trying the right side most of the game with no success.

Irmo is a good team, but there are some weaknesses however they do a good job of protecting them. It will be interesting in the playoffs again, that is a entirely different beast.........