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While assembling the poll and checking the womens rosters for former South Carolina high school players, I did the following analysis.

Listed first is the school, their conference and preseason conference ranking, number of players on the 2005 roster, number of SC players on the roster, and percent of the roster comprised of SC high school players.

I will defer to Chico & Company for further statistical analysis.


NCAA Division 1

Francis Marion - (Independent) 20 / 1 = 5%

Charleston Southern - (BSC 8) 21 / 2 = 10%

Furman - (SoCon 2) 20 / 2 = 10%

South Carolina State - (Independent) 16 / 2 = 13%

Coastal Carolina - (BSC 6) 26 / 4 = 15%

The Citadel - (SoCon 11) 19 / 3 = 16%

College of Charleston - (SoCon 3) 22 / 4 = 18%

South Carolina - (SEC-E 5) 25 / 5 = 20%

Winthrop - (BSC 7) 23 / 5 = 22%

Clemson - (ACC 4) 23 / 6 = 26%

Wofford - (SoCon 8) 22 / 8 = 36%


NCAA Division 2

USC Upstate - (PBC 1) 18 / 3 = 17%

Newberry - (SAC 5) 25 / 7 = 28%

Coker - (CVAC 11) 17 / 5 = 29%

Limestone - (CVAC 6) 22 / 7 = 32%

North Greenville - (Independent) 18 / 6 = 33%

USC Aiken - (PBC 9) 17 / 6 = 35%

Anderson - (CVAC 9) 22 / 12 = 55%

Lander - (PBC 5) 21 / 12 = 57%

Presbyterian - (SAC 4) 21 / 13 = 62%

Erskine - (CVAC 7) 21 / 14 = 67%

Converse - (CVAC 12) 15 / 10 = 67%

I'd like to know how many scholarships each of these schools have to offer. I know very few are fully funded.

Hammer --

From the Educationplanner.com:

The NCAA allows each division 1 soccer program 9.9 scholarships for Men and 12 for Women. In division 2 the ratio is 9 for men and 9.9 for women.

This is '04-'05 data but I think still current. Compare with 85 full scholarships for D1 football programs.

lpaf

I am going to risk it.....

85 FULL scholarships, when only 50% actually play (my guess)... We all pay our taxes and it does not seem equal opportunity here in D1 state funded schools. The $$ from the program will still be coming in as the 50% that actually play are still there. So there are potentially 40 FULL scholarships that could be used elsewhere (swimming, fencing, band, whatever) which would actually benefit a kid who wants to play for his school in his chosen sport AND get an education in a system that continually increases their rates.

Bringing in foreign players for a sport and providing full scholarships is a different subject.

LPAF - I think Hammer wanted to know how many of the schools in the state have "fully funded" soccer programs. Just because they are allowed 9.9 for DI and 9 for DII doesn't mean each school offers that many scholarships. I think Wofford only had 3 or 4 as of a year ago.

futbol - I wouldn't tackle the football issue when they pay 85% of the athletic budget.

Talon,

Becareful in your statement if you don't have true facts to back it up. I know several very big D1 schools including Miami is losing money on their football programs. They make a lot of money but the cost of being competitive is sky rocketing.

One thing to keep in mind is that it is a lot easier (or beneficial) for a coach to recruit a South Carolina girl to play at a college in-state for the following reasons:

1. In-state tuition is cheaper at state schools.
2. Many of these girls qualify for a ton of academic scholarship money (Life, Palmetto, etc) if they stay in-state.
3. Use the "hook" if you stay in-state your parents and friends can see you play.

The first two reasons allow the coach to sign the girl a lot "cheaper" than what it would take to sign an out-of-state student. Again, this is based on aid packeges that incorporate need, academics and athletics.

Folks, I've got to weigh in on this discussion ... When you start to discuss college scholarships, Title IX, financial aid, etc., please do not bring up the 85 scholarship rule in college football ... Without that "bread winner" there would not be collegiate athletics -- at least not in the form of the Division 1 level that we know it ... My guess is it would look a lot more like the D2 or D3 level ... If you have any facts and figures about which schools' football programs are losing money, please post them, because I have a hard time believing that Miami is losing money after its' years of affiliation in the Big East Conference and now the Atlantic Coast Conference ... I'll add more later!

[Preface: 1999 data, from a report by Carr Sports Associates from November 1999 to February 2000, commissioned by the University of Southern Alabama, in which South Carolina was used to benchmark football program viability. Summary: Other than USC and Clemson, football was almost always a money-losing proposition.]

[...] South Carolina, a Deep South state with a population of 4 million (compared to Alabama’s 4.4) and also facing massive state budget cuts, is perhaps more comparable to the state of Alabama. Their twins are South Carolina and Clemson, in the SEC and ACC, respectively. In 1999, Clemson ranked 13th in Division I-A attendance and South Carolina 14th. In 1998, Clemson enjoyed revenues of $15,613,780, while spending nearly $8.8 million. South Carolina brought in $14,950,979 while spending $5.88 million. Their coaches, Lou Holtz and Tommy Bowden, both make more than a million dollars a year. They are the only Division I-A programs in the state. Meanwhile, among the state’s several I-AA programs, South Carolina State garnered $1.37 million while spending $1.26 million, Furman brought in $716,702 while spending $2.1 million, the Citadel brought in $712,739 while spending $1.95 million, Wofford brought in $275,592 while spending $1.24 million, and Charleston Southern brought in $79,596 while spending $724,534.

From an internal University of Southern Alabama report, this one done by members of its business school on the 1998 NCAA football season.

In order to quality as a Division I-A school, a school must have a stadium with 30,000 permanent seats and an average of at least 17,000 attendees per game.

There were 113 Division I-A schools, 75 had a positive net revenue [profit] and 38 had a negative net revenue [loss].

There were 115 Division I-AA schools, 15 had a positive net revenue [profit], 7 were break-even, and 93 had a negative net revenue [loss].

Preface; Here's more up to date information on Division I-AA and II average revenue and expenses for football programs from the NCAA, dated July 4, 2005. I haven't found the numbers yet, but I would assume that the average Division I-A school is profitable.]

Division I-AA averages $7.2 million in revenue and $7.5 million in expenses.

An average Division II program with football has annual revenue of about $2.6 million and expenses of $2.7 million.

Finally, as an FYI...there are 42,304 students at South Carolina's Division I-A schools [USC and Clemson]; there are more than 68,026 at the Division I-AA, II, and III schools in South Carolina.