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Is it true that they started practice a week early and are having to give up all pre season and post season play? It would make since as to why they have canceled scrimages and pulled out of the V-cup.

SoccerMania camp was held on Jan 20-21...DFHS coaches were present and participated somewhat. Reported anonymously to League Office. Final outcome included no pre-season or other tournament participation, thus pull out at SV Taco Bell and Airport tournaments...and no post season play. Heavy penalty for the girls it seems when it was a coaches mistake...But so goes the rules and rulings...Ahh, but isn't that usually the case...our kids pay for our adult mistakes...Sad that some potential college playing girls lose the exposure of the SV tournament and Post Season play (if they had managed to earn their way in).

I heard that they told people in August that they were on varsity. How could they know if they didn't have some sort of tryout then?

We didn't have anything in August. The first time the team was together for anything was for conditioning on Dec. 1. And no we didn't start a week early.

SoccerStar,
I'm glad to hear they didn't hold any tryouts in August. Hope that you have a good season in spite of this.

Thanks, It has been a very rough week for all of us DF players.

R.I.P.- Brittany Corgan

Wow, that's harsh!!! I really feel bad for those girls!

Yep, I feel bad for the seniors. This was not a new coach, so he should have known better. What in the world was he thinking??

I do think the HSL was a tad harsh. Yes, two days early was dumb. But to take away 6 potential tournament games, 4 scrimmages, and perhaps the playoffs is very, very drastic. Kill a fly with a fly swatter, not a bazooka.

I agree. Starting 2 days early isn't going to turn them into national powers. I believe making them pull out of the SV tournament would have been good enough.

Although rules are rules......why have them in place if you aren't going to punish?

Next time you make a rolling stop at a stop sign, I hope you get 10-20 years. Only then will you understand what we are talking about.

Yea who cares about the rules? I mean they didn't do anything too bad. I say let em play.

Are you serious? The rule states no more than three on one training. Just follow the rules.

Why cheat? The coach knew the rule and chose to break it. That is his fault in my book. Too bad the girls have to deal with it.

My solution would be to let the girls play in the post season but w/ a different head coach.

punishment should be placed on those that commit the crime...not the players who are told what to do.Why do players have to pay the price for over zealous coaches and exactly what was his or her punishment?

Not sure if you consider this a punishment or not, but I heard he is to have nothing to do with the team until April. The assistant coach will be running the show until them I guess.

If the players benefit from the training, then i could see sanctions on their schedule. For example, if a coach gave his players steroids or let them practice in pads early unknown to them, they would be more prepared than their opponents-thus creating an unfair advantage.

At least they didn't bring middle schoolers to the state championship game to watch and do nothing but support the team. Now that's really cheating!

DEBIL,

You are missing the point. The rules are in place. Do I agree w/ all of them NO, but a coach must be held accountable. He knew the rules and chose to break them.

As a coach you have to set the example. What kind of example is the coach setting for his girls? It is ok to cheat , but only if it is a little?


Come on.

As was said earlier, the girls are the ones being punished for a coach's violation. Its a well-known, clear violation. Should be the coach's last season at DF.

Strange situation! Wasn't this coach selected for the All-Star Game? Will that be affected as well?

I don't know if I agree with the punishment, but if that is what the crime states, then that should apply to Dutch Fork as well as any other teams.

KS,

Where would you like me to "come on" to? The punishment does not fit the crime. "Come on", the team gets screwed and punished for 10-14 matches because of practicing early for what-1 to 2 days? Take them out of scrimmages, forbid them from tournaments, but don't do both as well as cripple their playing all the way until March. "Come on", you can't think that is fair. "Come on", surely you actually read my post and noticed I felt punishment was deserved, but not this severe.

Concerning the coach returning the next year, Jesus teaches us to forgive and I think in girls high school soccer that this is one of those times to forgive and forget. Now, if it were to happen again...gone.

You go Striker!!!! If some of these coaches were let go for their actions.I think you would see less of this kinda thing happening.Just like the Summerville football error...Are those coaches still there?I bet to say yes.Would they do it again?I bet they would.Why?Their jobs are not on the line.And it's all about the win.Right?

..and that is the cold hard TRUTH!

I have to agree.

The varsity girls shouldn't be punished in the playoffs. Isn't that the reason summerville was reinstated into the playoffs because it was a coaching judgement error and the players shouldn't be penalized. Heck, the team made it to state. Granted that was the Great SMVL football legacy and we all know how it was ultimately going to turn out. However, the coach involved is gone and the district revisited their rules/practices and assured everyone that it will never happen again.

Why wasn't that option offered to this team-Suspend coach - limit tournament play? But cutting out playoffs for a pre-season infraction is harsh.

Debil,

I said let them play in the post season if the HC does not coach them, SHS suspended the JV coach that made the mistake.

I say come on b/c you are "pampering" a grown man who willingly broke the rules. A slap onthe wrist just won't do this time. Younever know how many other times he got away w/ it?

I understand your point of view. I hope my words havent made anyone believe I condone the actions of the coach. All this is just something to get us through until the Viking Cup and regular season stars!

LDA.... If I understood the rules correctly. I thought it was as follows:
1- ban the program from participating in tournaments and postseason.
2- Ban the coach AND the players involved in the infraction from playing in the upcoming season.

If so the fact that they are playing in the season was a showing of leniency. The hire and fire of the coach is up to the district.

So do I agree? honestly I do not know... where is the difference between this and having a basketball PE class in the fall or spring football. Why is football the only sport allowed to practice two seasons in a scholl year?.

The rule was broken, punishment was issued and Michelle Kwan should not be going to Turin.

I guess some ARE more equal than others.

Could you explain the part about a "showing of leniency"?

Most suitable punishment would have been:
1) No pre-season scrimmages (the team has to be reprimanded in some fashion for starting early)
2) Discharge the coach (who violated the rules)

The team really gained no advantage with the early start, but they should be allowed to play their season, tournaments and post season.

Why don't they just fine the coach $500.00? Hitting the pocket book would be a good incentive not to do it anymore and the team doesn't pay for it.

But this is the same coach that filed a protest against an ex-player because her parents got a divorce and her mother switch from DF to Irmo during the move. So the player moved to Irmo for obivious reasons and the DF coach filled a complaint that restricts the player from playing a simgle game this year at Irmo.

LDA ... As I understand (and I could be wrong) none of the players have been banned for the season.

If you are referring to the fact that the punishmenet is still severe then I agree to a certain extent.

Point #1 Correct

Point #2 Yes. I feel bad for the kids and especially the seniors. But, as earlier stated, something has to be done regardless of emotional pain.

In regards to the restriction put on one of the players who changed from DF to Irmo. She lived on the border when her parents were together. But, she moved further into the DF district and she decided to go to Irmo, that's why she was put on restriction.

was Dutch Fork on "Double Secret Probation" already for some earlier violation or did the coach already have a history with the High School League from a previous life some where else??????

I know that there are rules here about "slander" and the such.. but.. in the spirit of "the cold hard truth" I have to say.. it's funny to what lengths people will go to to protect the identity of someone that has done wrong ..despite how clear/cut & dry the offense is.

I..do not know who this coach is. But I would think this complaint that was filed against the transferring player is public information..and therefore the identity of the coach is fairgame. And if the basis of this violation is that a coach attended a camp or organized a pre-season practice. Then THEY are in violation as a liason and representative of the program. And they are fair game.

I bring this up..because this is a public internet forum for South Carolina soccer. And whatever has happened at Dutch Fork..should be a big deal (we're talking about a lot of potential exposure for a good squad..lost)..so if I ever heard this coach's name in another circle..in regards to something of MY interest.. I'd want to be able to make the association..and stay clear.

Players get the talk from ADs and Coaches all the time about "representing your school, community, family, etc.." ..and when players screw-up they are held accountable. It seems as though the coaches are above this principle somehow.

..just my two cents.

Just to add a little fuel to the fire. Was not this the same coach that was "released" from CSC for trying to pack a club team with Dutch Fork players?

Most suitable punishment would have been:
1) No pre-season scrimmages (the team has to be reprimanded in some fashion for starting early, even though they attended the clinic at the request of the coach)
2) Discharge the coach (who violated the rules)
The punishment needs to be placed here and not on the girls.

The team really gained no advantage with the couple of days of early start, but they should be allowed to play their season, tournaments and post season.
Can the girls not appeal such a harsh punishment for them?

The history of appealing penalties with the High School League is not good for the appealing party. They have to be tough in enforcing the rules, otherwise the rules mean nothing.

I don't agree that the team received no advantage by starting early. If a coach doesn't believe that a clinic will ultimately benefit his team, then why schedule one? Especially at the risk of getting caught, losing his job and forfeiting the season?

I truly hate that it has come to this for the girls. As has been stated earlier, it is the student athletes who must pay for the sins of their coaches.

Now it will be up to the girls to play amazing soccer during the regular season. That's the only way that they can salvage anything from this season. Let their actions on the field show what they're made of.

In the end, its just a game. Those who have the talent to play after high school will be noticed on their Club teams in the Fall. On this particular team, the Senior will play on and the Juniors still have another Club season plus their Senior year to catch the eye of college coaches.

From adversity comes character.

The girls still should not have to suffer the entire season, just because a coach chose not to follow the stated rules. These girls had no part in the early start decision and should not be punished so severely.
I appeal to the SCHSL that the punishment be no further pre-season scrimmages, and possibly take away 2-3 pre-season practices. Further, the league should recommend to the school district that the coach be replaced, and the district should take such action.

Kids,

For all the kids reading all this. Please remember that burning bridges is not always a good thing and will usually come back ten fold at some point....

The SCHSL sets rules promoting equality, and punishes programs that do not follow these. They do not make personnel recommendations to districts-only serving out suspensions to players and coaches over the season that violate the standard.

I also believe Foxfan, although very respectful and calm with his choice of words, is wrong. Not in his views of the situation or opinion, those are understandable. But I do not think it is dignified in the field of rhetoric to bring in personal feelings about a coach's approach during a discussion of ethics. It seems like a poorly hid attempt at scratching an old vendetta that has been built over time.

Now, if you could explain how your experiences with the afore mentioned coach displayed previous examples of ethical misjudgement...that would turn my accusations of "kick him while he is down" into an immediate apology addressed to you.

Taking anonymous attacks at a person who has dedicated his life to promoting and teaching the game of soccer as well as the integrity of the individual human being's character and worth, speaks volumes about your own character. For all those reading this, please understand that most of these views expressed on this forum are done so by people who are bitter, resentful, and have an axe to grind. They do not reflect the way 98% of those who have all the facts feel, nor do the people posting their opinions know the coach in question the way that I and many others do. I have met few people in my life that I admire more than Coach Bo, and I strongly believe that he in no way consciously and deliberately violated any HSL rules. Those are the real facts.

I didn't konw that Coach Sylvia had gone to Dutch Fork, but having played them years ago I always thought it was interesting how Hilton Head was able to succeed in boys soccer back in the 90s. Now I think I know. The FIVE is actually SIX (being preseason practices).

DF already had two of the practices taken away to account for the two days of the camp. And for the people who want to put their two cents in from last year, need to reconsider because the team has changed a lot. And you can't knock a coach when it's his first season with a brand new team and think that that's how it will always will be.

FoxFan, there is a reason your are a ***** rated poster. Very classy in distinguishing between the two.

I want to apologize for some of my posts yesterday. While I understand that what was posted has already been read by many, I really wish I hadn't taken a shot at Coach Bo. He doesn't deserve that. I have deleted those posts so as to not encourage others to "pile on".

He has dedicated his life to teaching and coaching our children and is passionate about both. As a coach, he teaches more than just the technical and training aspects of the game. He teaches young men and women to be better people, utilizing a multi-dimensional philosophy known simple as "The Five". Players who train under this system are better for having been through it. They are better for having played under Coach Bo.

I do not have all of the facts of this particular situation and never will. Reacting to rumor, innuendo and gossip, I lashed out at the only person who I thought could reasonably be blamed. While that is ultimately what makes a message board "fun", it doesn't make it right. I might not have agreed with everything that occurred on the team last year, but I know that it was never personal. A coach has to put up with a lot of crap from a lot of people, not the least of whom are whiny parents who complain about playing time. Shame on me.

I'm sorry to have used a very public forum to air my frustration. The people behind the scenes at DF know what happened, they have consulted with the High School League and they have laid down a punishment for the team and the coach. I respect that because I respect the people making those decisions.

Bo, I am sorry for what you are going through now. I know that no one feels worse about it than you do. I wish you the best of luck with the rest of the season. Go Lady Foxes! Beat Irmo!!

Now, I will begin a self imposed exile from this place. Perhaps I will retreat to an isolated village in the jungles of Panama to await the return of "las futbolistas de Dutch Fork" in 2007.

..this would be exactly what I was talking about.

How can there be no one responsible for this? Whether it happened knowningly or not (though that's pretty hard to imagine).

WHAT HAPPENED?!

The girls still should not have to suffer the punishment. How has the coach been punished?

Yes. They made him read your last 24 post. They said it nearly drove him mad...

To some of you, having Coach Bo dismissed from coaching may sound like the most suitable punishment, however if I may say, I disagree. First of all, Coach Bo has changed women's soccer at Dutch Fork... for the better. Should he be removed, things would just get worse. Coach Bo has been fined and suspended from any contact REGARDING SOCCER with players or coaches until March 1st. Yes, maybe "he should have known better" , but for goodness sakes he loves every single one of his players as if they were his own children... why would he ever INTENTIONALLY try to disrupt our season in any way? He wouldn't, and what he did wasn't an attempt to break rules or jump ahead of other teams.

To those of you who think the punishment DOES fit the crime... here's my two cents on that: The Taco Bell Viking Cup (which is now over) is a tournament in which college coaches come to watch the girls play. Well let's see... we have about 6 juniors, some of which are hoping to play in college. Yeah, we have club seasons but HIGH SCHOOL is also extremely important in the recruiting process. Take away exposure to college coaches. Problem number one. State play-offs is the next thing taken away. You tell me what college coach REALLY wants to come watch a team play who has been put on probation and can't even go to play-offs. Not too many. The girls didn't know they were breaking a rule. We are ethical people... had we known consequences of such severity would occur, do you THINK that any of us would have paid $30 to screw up our season? OF COURSE NOT!

1.) On top of Coach Bo's punishment, he is hurting because he knows how badly the situation has affected us as players. Give him a break! He's dealt with enough already. And I'm sure having to read half of your comments just intensifies his pain.
2.) The punishment DOES NOT fit the crime. Understand that it wasn't intentional. I agree action should be taken against the person/s involved because otherwise, rules would be ineffective and pointless. Just make the punishment TRULY fit the crime.

We aren't just a group of girls who play soccer together on a High School team. We're like a family. I think the soccer troubles helped us all come closer together. We are coping with everything and will prove to everyone who thinks we can't overcome this how incredibly wrong they are. To everyone who supports us and is cheering us on... thank you. You have no idea how much your support is appreciated.

God forgives, why shouldnt we?

the irritant here is the coach is the one responsible for knowing the rules and the rules haven't changed on start dates in a long time. History has showed us over and over again that sports organizations "leaders" regardless of level believe (wrongly) teams have to be taken out of contention for these violations reagrdless of how they happen.

Look at the number of college football and basketball teams that get suspended from post season years after violation occurs.

Personally, I'm not sure that players should be penalized for this one. I'd have required the coach to donate have his stipend for the season to setting up a rules clininc at next years winter meeting and subsequently with the players at his school, forced him to sit out the first ten games of the season, and put him on probation for three years.

Having lived through the silliness of NCAA recruiting after four years of the "league" I think it is preposterous and pompous of the high school league and beyond to have an expecation that players will know all the administrative "quirks" yet make no effort or provision what so ever to make the information available to them. There is just some cosmic osmotic process out there by which all this rules knowlege becomes resdient in the brains of players.

Perhaps the start date should be one day earlier henceforth, with day one be classroom instructions on admistrative rules.

quit calling him coach bo

I remember traveling to Hilton Head during the AAA-AA-A playoffs in the early 1990s and seeing all those bumper stickers of "Bo Knows Soccer". I understand why now!

Hard to penalize someone 165 miles away from the S.C. High School League! Didn't he coach somewhere up in North Carolina? Wonder what they say about his tenure?

Every coach in South Carolina has to attend a rules clinic before the season starts. Usually it is held well before the day training can start and that date is given to each and every coach. So I think yes he knew the rules and made decided to go ahead and have the clinic.

I hate that it has hurt the players but he should have known that he was not living up to the standard and rules that govern soccer in South Carolina.

Only reason i call him Coach Bo is because that's what everyone he knows calls him... that's his name... i'm his player and that's what i call him... just clearing it up..

Ignore Keyser, 13. We all do.

Coach Bo, does this guy drive a cool orange car with a flag on top? Coach Bo, sounds pretty hick. No wonder the rules were unclear.

William Aiken good name for Brokeback Mountain's biggest fan.

Yuk, yuk, yuk!

Duh-huhhhhh, that was a good one!

dfplaya - kinda disrespectful to call him by his first name as your coach don't you think?

Is Summerville on probation too? Why were they missing from the Viking Cup?

Lighten up Francis!! If your coach were so great he wouldn't have thrown your season to the wind by cheating. And if he had any respect for you as players you would call him coach Sylvia, thats the way it is. Calling him coach Bo is not professional. But then again it is girls soccer, first names, rolled sleeves.....

Wow. With that post, what little credibility you had just got sucked out the back door.

Nathan Arroyo's appeals hearing for his eligibility is at 2 PM today in Columbia.

Is Dutch Fork considering appealing their penalty?

...must.......continue........to....beat....these horses....

Just to give everyone one a second opinion. Coach Bo absolutely does not like his players to call him Coach Sylvia. It has nothing to do with whether it is professional or not. He prefers his players to see him not only as a coach, but also as a father figure, who we can come to if we ever need ANYTHING. He made a mistake, Yes, but things happen, things are misinterpreted, but we forgive him. Now, it would be really helpful if everyone would drop this and move on with the season and let what has happened go and move on for hopefully a good season for everyone.

Really, well said. Enough of this already. Let it go, it's over.

I've got to be honest with all of you. I can't tell you how many times I've "pushed" the rules over the last six years. The most recent had to be when I went over to Granny Perkins house on my dad's side. Me and my cousin Dennis were walk'n barefoot down Shuffle Lane on the way to Old Man Taylor's catfish pond. Wouldn't you know it that no sooner had we finished the second country mile did mean little Rule came out. Mama said he wasn't no good since his daddy got put in prison for beat'n his mama. Dennis ain't but knee high to a grasshopper and said to me

"Let's go Will. He looks like he up to no good!"

"No, Dennis. We got as much right as him to be walk'n down here. You run if ya want, but I's is staying put."

So Rule walked up and said

"Ain't you two boys supposed to be folding clothes with ya old dirty mama!?"

Now they say Rule had failed the 6th grade three times and that even the teachers were afraid of him. That weren't no excuse for me. Even though I had climb a magnolia tree just to hit him in the chin, weren't nobody gonna talk about my mama. He could tell I was get'n real steamed so he kept at it.

"I heard Farmer Johnson fired ya mama from feeding the pigs cuz her smell was so bad they wouldn't...OWWWWWWWW!!!!"

Well there weren't no magnolia around but I managed to pop old Rule right in the front tooth. He bent over and howled in pain and that's when, you guessed it, I pushed him. Ever since then he's been real scared of me cuz when he gets out of line, I push him. If he dares to bring his brother out or his cousin Louis Rule out, I push him, too. Yeah, I said it. I push the rules.

You..are awesome.

Oh, he deleted the post! I spend all that time and Keyser tucks tail and runs! So upset...

Oooooooooooooo, Chuck got edited a couple of post up. One foot out the door.

You are one sick puppy, but a breath of fresh air compared to some of the "stuff" that gets written on this board. Good luck in your upcoming tourney, but watch out for White Knoll, I hear that coach has been sandbaggin'

He has and he know's it, whatever his name is! I got an email that said he had seven kids off on mission trips, 3 for cheerleading tryouts, 1 had to rest for a jewish holiday, and another 12 that had ingrown toenails. I started doing the math and decided to delete his email without further thought. They've beat two ranked teams and tied another AAAA big dog. They are, by far, the favorites.

WA --

I'm clearly not keeping up with my reading. Your pushing the Rules post was a masterpiece.

lpaf

Keyser Soze got on and began to desecrate the remains of Coach "Bo/Sylvia". I believe his line was:

"Something, something, you suck. Yo, you gots to knows that you cant b cheat'n or push'n da rules.

I said nothing of the sort. I simply stated my opinion that players in HS shouldn't call him Coach Bo.

So go back to the "bubba" story and get your facts straight.

Oh, they're straight alright.

I'm just curious as to why you're not man enough to leave your post on the board. Oh, yeah, that's right. I just called you out!

(Lapf, it's been so long since I've gotten into one of these. How does this dance go?)

WA --

Direct references to short or long body parts are always good for a laugh. Offers to meet someone in the parking lot after school are good too. Just don't push de rules...

WA --

What did Soze mean with that Brokeback Mountain thing? Why out of the blue does he (or she) decide to throw a sexual preference spanner into the spokes? Pretty darn arbitrary in my book and maybe signs of indolent homophobia...

Another...monologue...coming...to me...