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This appeared worse than what I read that Dutch Fork did.

Uh Oh, trouble-a-brewing! Did they just "DF" their season?

Maybe BBJonesHHHS can explain why they started so early. Sounds like they went over the "3 players a coach" rule. Can't use the "clinic" title because the coach was involved.

They are ok as long as coaches didn't work with more than 3 players at a time with the ball.

I knew they were good....but I was wondering how they were going to take out Emerald, Fort Mill and Irmo this weekend.

Now I know....they started practice shortly after Halloween.

My real question is how can January preseason training be made "mandatory for those interested in trying out for the Women's Varsity Team" and "you are required to be at" statements at the bottom of the calendar?

Yes, but it said "All girls trying out for varsity". I believe more than 3 girls will be trying out for the squad.

I believe that question is up the the Athletic Department. If it were not mandatory, then no one would show up until the first day of practice. Spring football would be a joke as well.

>>[truefan] They are ok as long as coaches didn't work with more than 3 players at a time with the ball.<<

Completely ignorant question: what does that mean? In other words, can a HS coach have 15 players on the field but have a 10-yard spacing between a group of 3 who have a ball to whom he's speaking and a larger group doing other ball control work with whom he is not speaking?

Can a coach make any practices "mandatory" before Jan 16 or Jan 23....whatever the official start date was?

>> [Le Debile de Anderson] I believe that question is up the the Athletic Department. If it were not mandatory, then no one would show up until the first day of practice. Spring football would be a joke as well.<<

Just as an FYI. At our local high school (4A), the training was not mandatory and a ton of girls still showed up. That's probably the exception that proves the rule.

Canine, I think you make a good point. The girls know that if they want to make the team-come to the preseason stuff. Slack off and you get cut come tryouts. I doubt there is a uniform code across the state.

Anybody heard from a HH fan yet?

Or any response from the High School League?

I'm glad no rules were broken, and looking at what you did prior to the tryouts is very impressive. Mores schools should try and take a similar approach to their "conditioning" sessions prior to the tryouts instead of just running. It will be interesting to see how HHHS season goes this year for sure.

wow what a novel idea.....conditioning BEFORE the season wow!!!!! good job.

I like how Lexington did it. Get in shape in January work on ball controll against West Ashley and Wando.

Conditioning is one thing, but having your entire varsity squad at a mandatory ball skills session is another. What did the coaches do, train three while the other 16 or so sit and watch?

That is a bit confusing. I only ask because I may use in the future. What about the "if you don't go to a coach's session, go to a seniors"? As well, what about the "pick-up game" on Sundays and then the "day of rest".

It probably is a highly organized system that looks a bit queer to the outside eye.

If you have two coaches present, is that six kids you can work with? If not then what if they are on seperate fields-can you have six then?

I'm just rolling this around in my head trying to see how it works.

I like the "dont break the rule just bend them" mentality. But if the caoch thinks that is what is needed to get the edge then....

LDA, my thoughts exactly....If you have a large staff such as Wando or Irmo, can you put 3 players with each coach and let them work? Do you rotate 3 every so often? I guess the rule was followed, maybe not the "spirit", but the rule.

?'s answered. Thanks. Finally we can end this discussion.

so let me get this straight, you assigned only three returning varsity players a particular technical training day? Or did you randomly select three players out of the ones who show up for conditioning?

Not yet.

Coach, I applaud your commitment to the HHHS girls program...we need more coaches who know what they are doing to provide more training and conditioning for the girls. Your intent is good.

Please don't think that the coaches of any of the other Top 15 teams in the state aren't as committed as you are. They all invest tons of time which probably reduces their hourly pay rate to somewhere around $0.37/hour. All of these Top 15 coaches (and some others) would like to be on the field 24/7 with their teams. The fact is....the state rules prohibit this.

I'm not accusing you of doing anything wrong, except for perhaps a poor choice of wording on your website.

You answer me above that the skill sessions were not mandatory, the conditioning sessions were (at least that's how I interpret it). NOTHING can be mandatory prior to the first official date of tryouts. The word "mandatory" should not appear on your website.

Secondly, you have used the website to organize and endorse scrimmage games. State rules prohibit you from doing this......it has to come from the kids. The players have to organize and promote this activity, the coach can't.

I'm not looking to bust your chops....I just want to make sure that the rules are being interpreted correctly. Again, everyone wants to get a leg up by starting early....and all of the competitive teams are doing something prior to the official start date. You just have to watch what you are doing and how you promote it.

I look forward to seeing your team play this weekend, I'm sure you are going to have a successful season.

Good luck.

BJonesHHHS -- not so fast my friend. Check this page out from the SCHSL Rules and Regulations Handbook for what can be done in closed seasons. Seems to me that if training was being done, then it would be illegal on school grounds or feeder school.

SCHSL Rules and Regulations

OUT-OF-SEASON
Strength and conditioning programs will not be affected by the limitation on practice seasons. Conditioning
programs are not to include agility drills that enhance specific skills for a given sport, nor may equipment for any
sport be used. Agility drills appropriate for all sports will be acceptable.
Practice and weight training must be open to all students. These sessions cannot be mandatory for any student.
Any student participating in an illegal practice will be declared ineligible for that sport season. Any school allowing
an illegal practice will be subject to League discipline to include the placing of the sport on probation.

This also comes from the SCHSL......another chapter begins.

*All sessions from January 2nd through January 20th are mandatory for all those interested in trying out for the Women’s Varsity Team.(per HHHS womens soccer athletic page)

Seems "mandatory" does make it all illegal!

Who let the dogs out? OOPs hope that wasn't too gangsta Kyle. hahahaha

It has become painfully obvious (to me) that rules, be it SCHSL or SCYSA are not clear to those who are REQUIRED to follow them.

So can we have the ADs agree to write in plain english what is and is not allowed, when, where how, by whom, how many, etc...

I believe that as a reasonable person, anyone who studies the rules to find a loophole is doing it to get an advantage. PERIOD...

Email SCHSL office with the website. Let them make their ruling....then discussion is ended.
schsl@schsl.org

It's funny all the attempts to end the discussion. The point of this discussion is to find out if the actions are legal-not just for one program, but the entire state. It's either right or wrong and we need to discuss until we figure this out to save others from future mistakes. I might not like it if my favorite team came under scrutiny, but I would feel better knowing the rules exactly to avoid any future problems.

Either way, the program set up itself is a thing to admire. Best of luck at the tourney.

Well, proof has been posted that it is illegal what they have done. We as adults know what "madatory" means and well, they made it mandatory, so they broke the rule. Personally, I do not care, I will not turn anybody in, but if they think they were following the rules to the letter, well they maybe need to rethink it and reread the rules. Then carefully word how they would like the students to handle the preseason.

"Then carefully word how they would like the students to handle the preseason." is a dependent clause. I would not expect Chuck Norris to have such a loose grasp on the grammatical rules of the English language.

R1C

First off, this board is not the place for HH's coach to defend the training(?) Even the most casual observer can reason that multiple rules violations occurred. Sorry coach, if is looks like it, smells like it and tastes like it - it is it. No matter how good the school's intents, the rules are in place for a purpose and are not open for interpretation, except by the League.
It is time for the League to investigate, if they deem it necessary. Good luck to all in this matter and in the upcoming season.

Why can't a coach discuss this on the board. After all, it was brought up on the board. Just curious...

haha, CN makes the rules. You better sleep with the light on and one eye open tonight if you know whats good for you or close them if you dont want to see the horror coming better yet dont sleep just worry. and no that is not a run on sentnce, chuck norris says so!

LDdA - No legal training I see. You can even watch Law and Order to learn that when you are under fire-being suspected of wrong doing, you NEVER discuss it openly, for everything you say is potential evidence.
Besides, it is bad form for someone in that position of possible wrong doing to defend him/herself in public. Let the Big Dogs make a decision THEN discuss it. Make sense?

Dog, I understand your point of view. My apologies for missing crucial episodes of Law & Order. Perhaps the future will be more kind to me.

Chuck...you give your high school english teachers a good name. No errors there.

Debile --

Voices in my head are telling me that your scsoccer.com mailbox is full.

lpaf

Kyle,

ban him he said dog. hahahahaha

Have they changed their tune?

Haven't heard from the HHHS coach in a while! Guess that upon further reading the rules seem to have been broken! How will they fix this now? Oh well, more important things going on...

Looks like the SCHSL could be very busy this spring

My question is this beyond postings on each schools website or what ever other mistake is made how does the league know for sure that the pre season rules are actually being followed by the schools.

Website has changed. HH is in Cola so we won't hear anything. Perhaps he realized reasoning on this board with the locals is futile. We mean nothing...

Wow! I missed all of this somehow. After going through the thread it looks like several people have changed their names during this process. Hard to keep up!

WOW, now things take another turn, BBJonesHHHS, who recently changed screen names, has now deleted all posts! Running, hiding??!! Is this some sort of admission of guilt or maybe an effort ot erase all evidence of anything and make it a "What? Huh? what are you talking about?" scenario. Funny, thats good stuff Hilton Head. Somebody out there is scared....

Col. Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I think I'm entitled.
Col. Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I want the truth.
Col. Jessep: You can't handle the truth!

I thought it was weird how he started off on the board talking about how great Hilton Head would be...over and over and over. Then just to vanish? Why would you vanish?

This whole situation makes me reminisce about Paul McCartney's group WINGS of the 1970s. Anyone remember "Band on the Run"? Really strange events!

Looks like some things have changed!

Hilton Head Contacts

What has happened with the Hilton Head girls program? Why did they change coaches? Did the high school league say something to them about the preseason mandatory practices?

Check your scoreboard 202677. HHi is alive and well. Solid team with excellent coach.

what happened to the old coach? is he still around or banned from the program? does he teach at HH?