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Shouldn't losing a game to the #14th ranked team in the state (James Island) have cost Wando at least one spot in the 4A poll. Still at #3 I see. Oh well...

Take a look at the boys poll and see what a loss to the #1 and #4 teams in the state did to FM and DF respectively.

...and the jump Irmo made.

...and the fact that Fort D lost big the past two weeks to ranked teams and holds their spot. You lose 7-1 and you need to take some time off from the polls. The final rankings are all that matter I guess.

TL Hanna is 8-3, how can they not be ranked?

How should a losing team be ranked in the top ten in the 2A polls? I know they can state strength of schedule, etc. But strength of schedule is relative to each individual team.

Yeah. How can the Yellow Jackets not be ranked???

[QUOTE]Originally posted by William Aiken:
[QB] ...and the fact that Fort D lost big the past two weeks to ranked teams and holds their spot. You lose 7-1 and you need to take some time off from the polls. The final rankings are all that matter I guess.

WA there are "Ranked teams" that have way more losses than FD YET u feel that these teams should be ranked but not FD. hhhhhmmmmm

Also bear in mind FD have also won games during this time frame but I guess that part "dosen't count right.

Wando As Black Hole

Upon further consideration, I think Wando's effect in the 4A poll is that of a soccer black hole. As we all remember from the Discovery Channel and high school and college physics there exist in space collapsed supernovae so massive their matter converges in upon their centers creating a superdense yet relatively small (in cosmic terms) body that sucks in all matter within its effective gravitational field. In reflecting upon a 5 day period of time when #3 Wando takes a 2-1 pk victory from #11 West Ashley then loses to #14 James Island in pk's one would assume some degree of parity (equalness) among the three teams in the polls. JI then defeats WA in regulation on Friday night. Such parity has historical precedent in recent memory.

But instead of the three Region 7 teams converging somewhere between the #6 - 11 spots we see Wando remain implacably at their #3 rank. No movement. JI and WA behave more as expected: JI moves in three spots reflecting their two victories over higher ranked opponents while WA with two losses on the week backs up a bit to #12, just on the other side of JI. Two good west of the peninsula teams play Wando even, but Wando doesn't budge in the rankings.

Is there a flaw in Newton's laws of gravity? No, Einstein's rules take over: It's the Black Hole effect. Wando (and Mount Pleasant in general) has long been known to exert a cultural and economic gravitational force that far exceeds its population demographics. Straighter teeth, better cars, a plethora of Starbucks, more bottled water per capita... these are but a few manifestations of Wando's gravitational force. Now we are seeing its effect in the polls. Play two lowly ranked Region 7 rivals to pk's, win one and lose one, yet hold steady on the 4A rankings like the North Star itself. Impressive feat.


ps: The only thing about the Black Hole analogy that bothers me is the name itself. As best my aging eyes have seen, no African American players have been present on the Wando Varsity team for the last 5 years. Any one for the White Hole effect?

I'll leave the Wando bit to the professionals. Outsiders have no voice in that matter.

Reggae, the sole win Fort Dorchester hangs their hat on is James Island. It seems JI wasn't clicking on all cylinders then as they are now. It happens. Coach makes some changes and BOOM the team is on fire. The opposite can happen as well. D.W. Daniel lost their stud and are struggling and will continue to struggle the rest of the season. Teams get streaky.

Other than that, what has Fort D done? I mean, they lost to 4-9 Stratford. They're 8-5 and have been outscored 26-2 in their losses.

T.L. Hanna is a team that should be ranked ahead of them. They're 9-3 while being outscored 5-9 in their losses. They've lost to #5 Dorman by 2, #4 Emerald in pks, and #11 Daniel by 2...and had already beat them earlier in the year.

Its all a matter of opinion and I respect yours and those that configure the rankings. What say you, man?

lpaf - enjoyed the Wando stuff. Glad to see you back and involved again this year.

lapf -

Claire Wigfall graduated from Wando in 2001. She was the 2000 SC player of the year when Wando won the state championship. She is the fourth all time leader in points for College of Charleston after completing her career there in 2004.

Here is the link to career statistics for CofC:
http://cougars.cofc.edu/womens/soccer/histcarr.htm#C0scoring

And an old bio for Claire:
http://cougars.cofc.edu/womens/soccer/players/wigfallc.html

Unfortunately, I can't think of a more recent example of an African-American making an impact on Wando's team. However, Claire Wigfall does fall into your five year time period.

fan1 --

Claire Wigfall was a great player both at Wando and later C of C, and she, to my knowledge was the last African American player on the Wando Varsity.

But if you count the years she falls outside the 5 year line (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006).

lpaf, Wando is......Wando. Preseason favorites to win it all and if you keep giving them the business, I'm sure they will rally behind the cause. Don't fuel the fire. Look at Dutch Fork. Those girls have an axe to grind and nobody wants to play them right now. Lay off Wando before you wake the sleeping giant.

By the way, my daughter played against a Charleston United U-12 girls team on Saturday. Great team with four or five African American players who will surely improve through high school. Hats off to CU for reaching out and developing these young ladies into good players.

H66 --

Thanks for the advice. I didn't really intend to focus on the lack of minority players on the Wando team, but after a short discourse on Wando as a black hole of the 4A soccer poll I thought some kind of disclaimer was needed.

Is their any hope on Junior Varsity? What's the high school ratio?

Reggae, the sole win Fort Dorchester hangs their hat on is James Island. It seems JI wasn't clicking on all cylinders then as they are now. It happens. Coach makes some changes and BOOM the team is on fire. The opposite can happen as well. D.W. Daniel lost their stud and are struggling and will continue to struggle the rest of the season. Teams get streaky.

Other than that, what has Fort D done? I mean, they lost to 4-9 Stratford. They're 8-5 and have been outscored 26-2 in their losses.

T.L. Hanna is a team that should be ranked ahead of them. They're 9-3 while being outscored 5-9 in their losses. They've lost to #5 Dorman by 2, #4 Emerald in pks, and #11 Daniel by 2...and had already beat them earlier in the year.

Its all a matter of opinion and I respect yours and those that configure the rankings. What say you, man? [/QB][/QUOTE]

WA
First of all JI gave FD nothing they were out played and outscored so save the excuses if u knew any thing about FD U would have known that we are struggling with lots of injuries recently which is why we are not at full force at the moment. as I stated in a previous post if u dont score ur chances u wont win games and we simply did not and therefore in startfords case the ugly win was better than the pretty loss. But in any event the show must go on and we are woking around those setbacks and we will seE what the near future holds for the FD Reggae Girls.

Best of luck to u and UR team.

I'm willing to bet JI beats Fort D 4 out of 5 times. It's good to get that W no matter what the odds. I'm not meaning to sound rude about the "Reggae Girls", just that I don't think they're top 15 material.

After reading the "Black Hole/White Hole" scenerio, and being an employee of Charleston County School District, I wanted to point out a few things about Wando.

First, the girls program that feeds Wando is primarily Mt. Pleasant Soccer Club. This club focuses on skills and girls, and if you can afford the fees your children will play there. I guess that goes for any club player, it all comes down to $$$. Furthermore, after recently reviewing statistics on minorities in the Chas district there is a huge disparity between earning potential of whites vs. African Americans thus impacting the amount of cash people have to use on sports/training for their kids. That said, kids that have had the training prior to High School are going to fare better at tryouts. Is it different in any other part of the state? Is it therefore Wando High School's fault that they have an all white team??? What about Summerville, Stratford or any other school? I think bringing the whole race card up was in poor taste.

However, in fairness to your points I do believe Wando does get preferential treatment in many things. They are treated different in the Chas district. Noone Messes With Their Principal. You just don't want to fight that battle. She is empowered, and passionate about her school academics, athetics and her "queendom". So if they have an advantage it is her and her vision for the future. Everything just falls in afterwards. They are one of the lucky schools in SC.

Reggaeboy --

It's a play in 3 acts, with each act becoming more important. What happens in preseason and non conference play is least important and most unpredictable. Then comes region play which determines seeding for playoffs. Then the final act is playoffs. Last man standing wins, everything else is just preliminaries.

Five years without a minority player is not in bad taste, just an observation. Seriously, though. Five years?

I did like the point you brought up backrow. Nice point of view.

backrow --

I am not being critical of Wando in any way, just saying what I see. And over the last 5 years I've not seen a minority player on the Wando Varsity Girls team. If I'm wrong then somebody please correct me. As to previous upper level club exposure, there seem to be plenty of minority players coming out of the classic programs and feeding into both James Island and West Ashley, just not in Mount Pleasant, or at least not Wando.

WA You might be right there might be other teams that u feel should ranked and that is ok because our focus right now is to complete our schedule with good results not who should be ranked where. So best of luck to u with next week rankings.

I saw it as an observation as well. It's hard to be critical of a competitive high school program -- as has been said, by the time many players are in ninth grade they've been playing for years. The real issue is what clubs and the SCYSA, which can reach kids when they're as young as 6, are doing to attract all of our kids in South Carolina to play soccer.

lapf I totally agree as per my post above.

If the Hoggard, NC - James Island score is posted, would rankings be affected? JI beat Hoggard 2 - 1 while Wando lost 1 - 0?

Since it is April 5, I wish that James Island would send in their full schedule for this spring. Absolutely ridiculous for a program of that stature not to have their "ducks in a row". Inexcusable!

Actually, the JI - WA games aren't listed on either schedule. I could probably find others. Inexcusable? Do the players know where to be and when? Does the league have a master to post? Who posts the scores on the master? Since the JI - WA game was no secret, why hasn't the master updater updated the scores? I think JI has a new coach but WA? Inexcusable? I guess I don't know why that is.

Actually, the JI - WA games aren't listed on either schedule. Schedules need to be sent to www.scsoccer.com no later than 1/31 of each year.

I could probably find others. I'm sure you can, but as of tonight 7,445 games have been accounted for on the SC HS Scoreboard and two of the most important in girls 4A are not!

Inexcusable? Absolutely! There's not another prep sport in this state that promotes itself more than high school soccer. A little help from some established and respected programs is not much to ask.

Do the players know where to be and when? Have no idea what this is referring to.

Does the league have a master to post? Who posts the scores on the master? Since the JI - WA game was no secret, why hasn't the master updater updated the scores? I think JI has a new coach but WA? Inexcusable? I guess I don't know why that is. Now you know!

Still, you do kind of wonder why Wando hasn't had any minority players in five years, don't you?

No, no. I guess not.

The Charleston area is an angry brothel of racial purity and infamous scheduling cover-ups...but man can they play soccer down there!

Well. I do have a theory if anyone is interested...

"D.W. Daniel lost their stud and are struggling and will continue to struggle the rest of the season."

Excuse me? Daniel lost their "stud" after the Wren game. Since then they are undefeated in the last four games. This is struggling???

KP --

Stay on task here. This is a thread about Wando. Where did you intend your comments to be?

lapf,
I am interested in your theory..Please share

Well, if you insist.

If anyone has ever attended a Wando girls' game, you've seen that before the opening kick they all get in a circle and do a foreign language chant as they do a little circle dance. The words to the chant are in Portuguese, I'm told. The dance, on the other hand is definitely danced from a white girl's perspective. I don't think anyone with a sense of rythym could, in all due self respect, do that dance and chant that chant. So I think that cuts out most talented black female athletes. Claire Wigfall (Wando '01) only goes up in my esteem for having manifested the fortitude necessary to work through this pregame burden.

Only a theory.

How do you know that colored girls have tried out for wando? If you don't know, then how can you cay something like that? The dance that they do is a tradition thing that someone special to them touaght them!

It's not wando's (they players or coach's) fault that they weren't moved down in the poll... everyone is making it seem like wando (players and coach) are doing something wrong! They are just playing soccer and trying their best...

scdg57 --

I don't think anyone has had anything bad or critical to say against the Wando coach or players. And I agree that they can't help it if they dance like white girls. Thanks for contributing.

You AGREE... i don't think i said that. And who cares how they dance... they can play soccer!

They play soccer much better than they dance, but they held their place in the 4A poll even better than they played soccer.

I will out myself as a Wando alumnus. In my four years there, I played with three African-American players and at least one hispanic player. We never did the pregame ritual. I, for one, have no idea how that "tradition" began.

Wouldn't the circle be complete if they danced better than they held their place in the polls?

I can't find where "everyone is making it seem as if wando (players and coach) are doing something wrong!"

Little help Dix...

You are a female? Years on the squad?

fan--

So let me get this straight. When you played, there were minority players on the girls varsity team, AND the portuguese circle dance had not yet been introduced as a pre game ritual. Would it be too prying for me to ask which year you graduated? I think my theory is getting some support.

Lapf-

I think the name says it all.


-fan01

Getting back to the "Polls Question", since I don't know anything about how many minority players Wando has had in the past (I remember Claire Wigfall) or have any insight as to Portuguese dances.

Technically, Wando only has one "loss" to a team from South Carolina and that was a 1-0 decision to #1 Riverside of 3A ... The other "loss" by the Warriors is to a very good Hoggard squad from North Carolina ... True, James Island edged Wando in a penalty kick shootout, while the Warriors did the same to West Ashley ... So, that is recorded as a 12-2-2 mark in the standings and since Wando defeated Summerville head-to-head (1-0), then the Warriors remained in third place.

The wouldn't back up at all after "tying" the 11th and 14th ranked teams? Not even half a place?

...not even for dancing poorly?

The "dance" was just begun 2 -3 years ago by an outside coach who came down for training!

I KNEW IT !!!

And no minority players since. Not one. And Claire Wigfall is off the hook too since it wasn't around when she played.

HA.

Game, set, match.

We can all go home and rest now.

No way...I gotta see that dance for myself..When do they dance...I mean play again

cht --

Good games coming up will be Wando @ WA 4/18, and JI @ Wando 4/21.

I'm almost possitive... no minority has tried out for the team in atleast four years. Yes, the wando vs. WA and wando vs, JI will be good games to go to.

Fascinating...So, for poll purposes, a PK game is really a tie. So, FM is 14-0-2, and Mauldin is 14-1-2?

According to the scoreboard, they had one loss to Riverside in regulation and one in PKs, plus one win in PKs. If a PK game is a tie, then it's a tie for both a win and a loss.

I have attended Wando soccer games for 8+ years and seem the Portugese dance had been there a long time - more than 3 yrs.

lapf,

i'm very curious as to what the amount of minority players on Wando's squad has any relevancy to anything posted on this board. in the past four years, i'd be willing to say less than 5 minority players tried out for the team and out of those players, none had the neccesary talent to play and compete on a team in such a competitive region. are you suggesting then, that a player should be allowed onto a team just because of their race? why did the race card need to be played in the first place? contrary to popular belief, Wando(and the Mount Pleasant community for that matter) are not involved in some conspiracy against african americans or anyone else, they are out to compete and win. nothing more, nothing less, and judging by recent events i'd say they're doing a damn good job...

Erskine had an African American Goalie from Wando who graduated from Wando in 2001, Tika Britt:

EC Women's Soccer Signs Large Incoming Class

May 3, 2001

Due West, SC--Erskine College women's soccer head coach Brad McCarty announced on Thursday, May 3, that fourteen freshmen have signed with the Flying Fleet. "This is a tremendous incoming freshman class," Coach McCarty said. "They will undoubtedly make an impact on the team in the fall."

This year's recruiting class is following a strong recruiting class of eight freshmen that McCarty brought in last year, including the three top offensive players for 2000--Freshmen Shelly Roberts (17 Goals), Rachel Freeman (10 Goals), and Allison Johnstone (8 Assists). Erskine has 12 players returning, including two CVAC All-Conference athletes--Erin English (Jr) and Shelly Roberts (Fr)--and they are looking forward to the 2001 season.

The committed players are as follows:

Shantika Britt
Position: Goalkeeper
Hometown: Awendaw, SC
High School: Wando High School
Club Team: Mt. Pleasant Fury Soccer Club
Bio:
Shantika was an integral member of the Wando High School Girls Soccer Team, leading them to the 1999 Region Championship and Lower State Finals. In 2000, she helped lead Wando to another Region Championship and a Lower State Championship qualifying them to play in the State Finals.
Britt has also been a member of the Mt. Pleasant Fury Soccer Club for the past two years competing in South Carolinas Premier Division. The Fury finished the year 2000 as Turkey Day Shootout Champions, Raleigh Shootout Division Finalists, and Orange Classic Shootout Quarterfinalists. Shantika is interested in Business/Accounting.
"We are very excited to have Shantika be a part of our soccer program," said head coach Brad McCarty. "Shantika will provide us the athleticism and intelligence necessary to be successful as a goalkeeper at this level. With the graduation of our starting goalkeeper, I believe she has the ability to be an impact player for our program."

What is the "racial success rate" at other Charleston high schools?

A drunk looks for his keys under a lampost several blocks from where he actually dropped them because the light is better.

Some folks on this message board attempt to evaluate high schools for inclusion of minority and under-served players instead of the clubs that feed the high schools.

Seems kind of the same to me...

while we are on the topic of the wando dance, i couldn't understand what they were saying due to the ji girls also getting rowdy..can anyone explain the meaning of the dance?

So Chico, Charleston area clubs are not producing quality minority soccer players-predominantly in the Mt. Pleasant area? Am I closer to finding your "keys" now?

does it make any difference that even the micro soccer programs have very little minority representation? maybe there is little interest in soccer?

CU23 --

Sorry to be slow in responding. I was away with family on Spring Break.

Wando High School, in my opinion, is one of the premiere girls' soccer programs in the state and has been for many years. Under the current coaching staff (and Coach Ferguson previously) they have consistantly fielded a team of talented and highly qualified players who have proven themselves in Region 7, the Lower State and at the State level. I feel sure the coaches have chosen the players they thought could best advance thier program over the years.

I don't pass any value judgement on the racial make up of the team. But having watched high school girls' soccer all over this state for the past five years, I continue to note that Wando is the whitest team I've seen. I feel sure that Chico's "drunk looking for the keys under the lamp post analysis" holds the key to this. I have never suggested "some conspiracy against african americans or anyone else" as you put it. What exactly do you mean by "the race card"? Is it inappropriate or politically incorrect to point out that there haven't been any black or minority players on the Wando team the last 5 seasons?

Finally, your original question was what this has to do with the "relevancy to anything posted on this board". The answer here is straightforward and to be found in the ninth post of this topic. I was annoyed that Wando didn't back up any in the 4A poll after losing to James Island and beating WA in pk's. I put forth "Wando as Black Hole" as my metaphorical explanation. But black hole somehow didn't seem appropriate for a team that hadn't had any black or minority players since Claire Wigfall's 2001 class. So I suggested "white hole" instead. That the side issue should have gotten so much attention suggests it may be the more interesting of the two.

W Aiken --

I don't know what the racial success rate is for the other Charleston HS's, but have followed WA and JI soccer closely over the last 5 years and both teams has had minority players on the field every game of the last 5 seasons. West Ashley's state championships in three of the last four years could simply not have happened without the contribution of their African-American players. Names quickly coming to mind are Missy Ferguson, Meech Gibbs, Alexis and Alechia Brothers, Danielle and Candace Jordan, and Julie Bolt.

futbolesvida --

I'm told that no one on the team any longer has any idea what the words to the Portuguese Circle Dance mean, or for that matter which sounds exactly make up which words. But they know what the sounds are.

Hey,
I've mostly been a lurker on the boards to try to keep up with what's going on since I graduated, but I played for Wando after I transferred for my junior year and I graduated with Lou Hudson, Kelly McGinty, and co. and I also played select with and against them and the girls from James Island and West Ashley.

I figure I can help add a little information at any rate, so I actually registered.

If I remember correctly, the chant was installed my junior year by Coach Steve, a North Carolina college coach (men's, I believe) who was brought down for a weekend camp we held after try-outs. I don't actually remember him really telling us what the words meant aside from something about it being inspiring and teamwork and something along those lines. It was very goofy sounding though and hard to remember; I think I was one of only two of us who truly remembered the exacts "words" of the chant my senior year.

I was told they had some other goofy sounding thing before the chant, but I'm not sure whether the circle jumping came with the current one or they did it before. I always felt funny at first with the jumping around in the circle, but it was a good way to get you relaxed and pumped for the game, hopping around like silly with your arms all around each other and singing nonsense. It was a kind of bonding. That and it always left other teams, new ones usually, confused and going...what on earth are they doing?!

As for the minority thing, I can't explain why or why not it happened, but the two years I was with the team, I can't even remember any minority even trying out for the team or coming to pre-season work-outs. I'm not even sure if any came for the JV either.

It is connected to the Mount Pleasant Soccer Club though, because I played select through them (first as Hungryneck and then as Mount Pleasant) and I can only remember playing with one minority on the team and the age groups above and below us I only remember having minority players if they drove in from out of town. I believe the MPSC Ice (Lou and Kelly's team), for a short period, had a pair of African-American twins who drove in from Columbia to play.

I passed on several college recruiting options to focus on school, but I'm back with the club as a youth coach (U9 at the moment) for a developmental league that feeds the select program and even now I don't see many, if any, minority players. My team and every team I can remember us playing, even in the Piggly Wiggly tournament which brought in a number of teams from across and even out of the state, lacked minorities.

I do know that CGSA, now CUSC, fed mostly into West Ashley and James Island. The Fusion in particular fed half of the team to each school with only 3 of us going to Wando. They practiced in West Ashley and up towards Ashley River Road, so it brought girls in from those closer areas, and Mt. Pleasant pretty much solely feeds Wando, with a few going to Ashley Hall or other private schools.

The talented minorities I did know in high school either opted not to play because of issues regarding the coach or they participated in Track and Field instead.

Other than that, the only other reason I can think of putting forth is the cost. I remember my dad complaining about how they'd spend 1500-3000 dollars a year on my playing select and varsity soccer, depending especially on the trips we chose to take that would include gas, hotel, tournament fees, food, etc. My most expensive year was probably the summer we travelled to Oslo, Norway for the Youth Soccer Cup, and that was without the Euro so the exchange rate to kroner(I think) was still pretty good. I think Mt. Pleasant sent another team there a year or so later as well.

I do know, at least when I played, Mt. Pleasant didn't really advertise the soccer program. I had played in California before we moved out here and my parents just looked for the nearest club, first Mt. Pleasant Rec and then Hungryneck once we found out about it. The extent of 'promotion' was in rec bulletins, "Registration for Fall Youth Soccer is (insert date)."

Anyway, just some food for thought.

>>[William Aiken] So Chico, Charleston area clubs are not producing quality minority soccer players-predominantly in the Mt. Pleasant area? Am I closer to finding your "keys" now?<<

Almost. No club in SC of which I'm aware is doing a good enough job of promoting and developing soccer to all of our kids, regardless of their background or ethnicity. Some are actively trying, some aren't. But noticing that a highly competitive high school program has few minorities, while a valid observation, is much like noting a slight skin condition on a terminally ill patient -- it's a symptom of the problem, but not the problem itself.

>>[dttplayer] does it make any difference that even the micro soccer programs have very little minority representation? maybe there is little interest in soccer?<<

This really isn't a chicken and egg problem [i.e., which came first]. Clubs have the responsibility to promote and develop soccer for all the children in SC. When you see under-representation from any ethnic minority at young ages, it's an issue for the club to address. By the time you get to the high school level at a highly competitive school, it's years and years too late.

adidaskitten --

Thanks for taking the time to shed some light on Mount Pleasant and Wando soccer over the last few years.

lpfa,

I watched hre play. The Bolt kid didt'n look black to me. She was good. But not blakc. The other grils were (or are), I think.

lpaf,

Fair enough. I think im a little clearer now that i've read your explanation. I guess I jumped the gun a little bit and took offense to it and for that I owe an apology. I'd also like to note that I was one of the infamous Wando boys at the Girl's state championship a few years back.

Minority is not about color, but ethnicity pilgrim.

WA, lpaf, and my dyslexic pilgrim,

Julie Bolt, WA 2005, currently playing for Clemson, certainly didn't appear to be african-american. I concur with pilgrim that the other WA players on lpaf's list did appear to be black. What am I missing here?

ps: Included is her bio from CU including picture:

http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/w-soccer/mtt/bolt_julie00.html


pps: If she's african-american then we should re-evaluate the minority status of Wando, I think.

Set up the parameters for "minority" and lets see if she fits. If Lapf says she does, I'm willing to bet there is truth to the matter. He has done his homework concerning diversity through the Charleston public school arena. For club soccer, however, see the greyhound.

WA and pilgrim --

I'll go on the record as affirming that every WA player I listed as African American earlier is, indeed, African American.

Well, she is a tan Charlestonite so that throws out the Albino theory.

deahler --

I think you've got something there...

lpaf

ps: never apologize for tangential. Most of life is tangential.

There's "race", there's "ethnicity" and there's "birth place".

I believe Ms. Bolt is considered African-American by one (most likely only one) of these definitions.

Go Julie.....Go Clemson!

What is the difference b/t "race" and "ethnicity"? Thanks.

Doesn't Wando have a talented Italian-American forward? Couldn't she qualify as a minority in a pinch?

Chico....explain to Willie the difference between race & ethnicity.

Race = Asian, caucasian, African-American
Ethnicity = Japanese, American, Nigerian

Who is the Italian-American forward? Cat????

What dictates Ethnicity?

What is the formula for defining "minority" based on ethnicity, race, and birth place? Are we using life-lines now?

JUGS, no members of the feline persuasion will not be allowed into the equation. Let us stick to our own genus and species les this thread truly fly to unfounded lands.

(Catenicci/nucci/hochee?)

Catenacci. Ok... she's not italian-american... i'm not even sure if she has italian in her... but it doesn't matter.

Can we stop all this nonsense and get back on topic or just close the topic?

"Shouldn't losing a game to the #14th ranked team in the state (James Island) have cost Wando at least one spot in the 4A poll. Still at #3 I see. Oh well..."

Minority representation is important. Wouldn't you agree?

It has nothing to do with the origination of this blog - wouldn't you agree?

Actually, how well a player plays, a lawyer represents, a judge judges, etc. has nothing to do with race, nationality or ethnicity.

Katya,

Tangential, not nonsensical.

Bolt is actually, sources tell me, Franco - African - American. Her father was born in South Carolina while her mother was a French national born in French Algeria. End of this part of the story.

That was beautiful Katya, but if the owner of the thread feels the need to change the course towards minority representation, I feel empowered to follow. Are we not in a public forum that allows freedom of speech, individual thought, and of course the trailblazing "tangential" process?

Become more enlightened and less critical here .

Glory, glory, hallelujia......and viva la France!

Kyle/Kevin --

Is Katya's use of "blog" a first on the boards?

If #3 Wando loses to #11 James Island at home tomorrow, will their superior record once again keep them at the number 3 4A position? Just asking in advance...

This guy with the funny name gets some credit here. 18+ days after he started the thread he's bringing it full circle. If #14 James Island didn't move #3 Wando back in the polls by beating them on 3/28, might a second victory by #11 JI over (still) #3 Wando on 4/21 move the Lady Warriors off their spot at least a little? Of course, Wando can make the question moot by winning at home. Still, what do most of you think? If Wando loses tomorrow (Friday, 4/21) night, should they stay at #3 or should they back up at least a bit? Any input will be appreciated.

ps: Of course, history proves that the third meeting each season between the top two R7 teams is much more important than either of the first two.

Unfortunately for Wando, recent history between the 2 teams (2004 & 2005 seasons that I am sure of)leaves James Island winning both games.

That's Ancient History after tonight. Wando's got it going on.

MR --

Generally, the #3 ranked team is expected to beat the #12 ranked team, and little if any movement on the polls is expected for either team. My problem earlier was that Wando at #3 lost to JI at #14 and held onto their #3 spot.

My daughter who played for WA graduated last year and I currently have a step daughter playing for JI, as well as a talented 8th grader who will probably play varsity next year. I've followed both programs, as well as Wando, for a number of years, but focus more on JI this year. I wasn't at the above mentioned thrashing, but if you have insight into it please feel free to re-cap the game for the rest of us.

I have consistantly praised the quality of Wando's team and play over the years and don't quite understand your last statement. If you'll look back about two pages on this thread you'll find the following written to CU23:

"Wando High School, in my opinion, is one of the premiere girls' soccer programs in the state and has been for many years. Under the current coaching staff (and Coach Ferguson previously) they have consistantly fielded a team of talented and highly qualified players who have proven themselves in Region 7, the Lower State and at the State level."