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West Ashley 1
Stratford 0

dreher 4-3 airport

i didnt make it out to the game so im recounting it as it was told to me the best i can remember:

airport was up 2-0 at half, in the second half dreher got two pks and ellison sharpe the standout sophomore converted both. kistler ulmer put in another one very late for dreher to go up 3-2 appearing to have pulled off the come back, but alas they conceded an equalizer quickly. but with time winding down dreher won a corner and susu kassel lined up to serve it in, jesse ulmer said "susu you dont take corners" and susu said "get outta my way!" and served up a ball that speedster brittany rush flicked in for the game winner. exciting game and big win for the lady blue.

and from what i hear #12 for airport is quite dirty. she constantly fouled lindsay reynolds who held her own despite the repeated pushes and even a thrown punch. lindsay is a beast.

Emerald 6
Gilbert 1

Sounds like Kistler and Susus were the standouts for the Dreher game.

Wando 3
Berkeley 0

west ashley only 1-0 over stratford?
and wando only 3-0 over berkeley?

what is going on? No disrepect to stratford or berkeley, but these are very low scoring games for two amazing teams.

I can tell you basically what happened with the Wando-Berkeley game. Not so sure about West Ashley-Stratford but I saw everything in the Wando game (I should have... I was playing.)

In the first twenty minutes of the first half, Berkeley had some really lucky 'saves'. There were times when everyone thought it was a goal only for it to hit a post or for a defender to come out of nowhere to deflect it. Berkeley stepped up the last twenty minutes of the first half and shut down Wando. At the half, the score was still tied 0-0.

The second half, Wando stepped up and scored one within five minutes. Berkeley held them off again before they scored, bringing it 2-0. Falling into their own trap (otherwise known as the '60-second Rule') Wando scored again soon. Berkeley held them off for the rest of the game.

As a player on the Berkeley team, I like to say we really stepped up and played well tonight. Though, definitely no disrespect to Wando, they are a great team with alot of skill and talent. For Berkeley, bringing the score to 3-0 shows alot of improvement; the first time we played Wando, the score was 7-0. Both teams played well tonight; the score doesn't reflect any kind of fall-out by Wando (who, according to rankings is the 'stronger' team,) but a great, hard game played by both teams.

I don't know if Wando was pulling their punches, but it was 0-0 at the half...they're an excellent team, and they were all over us in the beginning of the game, but some pretty impressive saves by our keep seemed to finally light a fire under the defense...lot of heart on that field tonight.

Cardinal Newman 2
Heathwood 0

2 goals in overtime lifts the Cards to another region victory.

T.L. Hanna 4
Westside 0

Congrats to the Lady Jackets on their victory over the Dark Force to the West.

James Island 18 - Goose Creek 0, I'm told. Ouch.

That'll teach those Goose Creek girls to try out for the soccer team! At least they didn't do as Lakewood did to Lake City and beat them 28-0. Check out their scores this season during their 6 game losing streak. Wow.

Marlboro County took West Florence to OT but came up just short 3-2. Good game by the Bulldogs.

Dutch Fork 4
Spring valley 2
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halftime score 2-2

DF 7-1 in region with
2 games remaining (Ridge View and RNE)

William Aiken...

I'm sure you didn't stop to think about the effects comments like that have on struggling teams before you popped off with, "hey, check out how bad these guys have been getting beat," or "That'll teach them to try out." Maybe you've never had to work to build something from the bottom up. But spotlighting someone else's misfortunes seems in bad taste.

I don't know anything about Lake City, but I do know that precious few Goose Creek girls DID try out this year; that's a big part of the problem. I've seen them have to play with 10 on the field, but those 10 played their hearts out and their tails off. I for one would hate to see their program go under for lack of participation; I'm sure they'd thank you for encouraging them to come back out next year, or for other athletes to join and support the program.

As for the lopsided wins...I've coached on both sides of 18-0 games. To tell you the truth, for me, being on the winning side of that didn't feel much better than being on the losing side. But, to each his own.

Coach...I was being facetious when I "popped off". Read it again there, guy.

First off, my daughter endured the whipping last night at Goose Creek. It is only by the grace of God that college coaches don't put a lot of emphasis on high school ball or she would not have a prayer to play at the next level. Thank you Jesus for Challenge and Premier level soccer!
It is very frustrating to watch that type of game, especially when the whipper does not let up. This has been discussed many times before but if they think this type of gamesmanship is going to get them into the state finals, I hope they get beat down in the first round. I'm not upset about getting beat - just the manner in which it was carried out. All I can say is, we'll see you individually in December in the State Cup, or will we?

Scores like that make a case for a 'mercy rule". It seems 10-0 demonstrates domination, and anything beyond can't help either team.... That lacking, maybe coaches should be more respectful of the game, remember they ARE kids out there, and hold it down.

Mercy Rule

Sorry, W.A.; I guess I just heard too many echoes from the past when I read that. Three years ago, 2003 season, teams like JI were posting 18-0 wins against our team. The following year, when I took over as head coach and was trying to recruit some solid fall and winter sport athletes to play soccer in the spring, all too often I heard, "Why would I want to try out for a team that's just going to get embarrassed like that?" The hardest thing to change was to instill the belief that with hard work and a little faith, we CAN win, and we can make even the great teams in our area work for what they get from us.

Three years and a lot of hope, faith, and amazingly dedicated athletes later, we're still an underdog team playing in a big dogs' world, but the gap has closed significantly. My thanks to every coach who has sincerely complimented my players on their effort and improvement; it makes a world of difference in how they see themselves, and consequently in how they play.

Maybe I've had a bit too much to say about this topic lately; if so, I apologize. I would just like to see more of the starting, struggling, and rebuilding teams out there get the encouragement they need to follow through, improve, and become more today than what they were yesterday; for one, I think every aspiring soccer player should be able to play for love of the game. For another, I can't help but think that as these teams become more competitive, it will raise the bar across the state.

W.A.--My sincere apologies for a reflexive reaction. I've read enough of your posts to know you wouldn't intentionally say anything to bring negative attention to a struggling team.

Coach, I haven't been beaten 18-0, but there have been games when we could have. No apologies necessary. Keep up the good work.

Soccerdog6, my JI girl told me, when I questioned how the score got so high, that they were told that the GC coach prefers the opponents to play their game. Doing otherwise is something of an insult to the GC girls who show up to play the game regardless of the score. I didn't see last night's game, but did see the previous JI/GC game and was so impressed with the GC girls. They never let up and they never gave up. They obviously love being out there, even if they lose. What do you want the opponents to do? Should they pass the ball to GC and let them score? Should they remove some of their players from the field? Should they stop the game at 10-0? Perhaps remove their own goalie? Should they give less than 100% when that is what is always demanded of them? Just posing some questions because I don't know the answer either. I'd like your input as to how you want opponents of GC to play so as not to invite criticism.

grits,

If the GC girls are still playing hard there are a number of things that you can do where both teams can still benefit.

At 4-0, 5-0 or 6-0 (choose one)....start the restrictions.

Limit JI's touches to 2 or 3 and only allow goals to be scored on headers off crosses. The score will not exceed 10-0 and you will often lose possession to GC, forcing both teams to "hustle" and the game will appear competitive. Both teams will get something out of this and JI will not be accused of humiliating a team that works their butt off and deserves better.

Officiating, blow-out games, rankings, and Wando's whiteness are all topics that get recycled year in and year out. Its funny that, and I mean no disrespect to those participating for the first time in these dialogues, it never fails to come up. You can just sit down in February with your checklist and wait for them to come.

Any other repeated topics I left out?

Moving BE to 3A.

TL Hanna never getting ranked.

;>)

Grits,
I don't propose you play GC any differently than anyone else. When you have the game won - well, take a look at the boys side forum and see what this subject has stirred up there. I don't have the answer, no one does. Also, the smart-*** statement of passing the ball to the GC girls or removing the keeper just shows your distain and defensiveness for this subject. Again, hopefully get to see ya in the Premier league.

I dissagree soccerdog6. I do have the answer.

please enlighten us benp.

and gunners susu and kistler are not the only standouts for dreher. even tho susu is having an amazing season perhaps one of the best in the state. and kistler is following her fantastic frosh season with another good campaign. but ellison sharpe would be lighting up stat sheets if she was more selfish, she has as good if not better ball skills than anyone in the state. brittany rush is having a breakout year, and louise bailey is yet again one of the most solid and reliable sweepers in the state. the rest of the defense is solid, alex foleys heading ability is a real asset and so is christine terril's hustle and toughness and as i said lindsay is a beast and i would know.

wow i really talked these girls up, they all owe me big time.

Footwork does not a player make . . .

Well, it is pretty simple, 18-0 is uncalled for. Two touch, headers, and only scoring off crosses, still make a team better, and yet it protects the dignitty of the other team. The only way beating someone 18-0 helps your team, is possibly on PK's cause thats what it amounts to. No mercy rule, because thats just as degrading as losing 18-0. But scoring only on headers and having to do one and two touches can greatly help a teams ball skills. Possibly even get some nice footage for the college tape, you know, your daughter jumping up and heading it into the goal looks pretty good on film.

Or maybe even putting your SECOND string in. Some younger girls that may not get as much playing time during the big games. Helps them build for the future. Heck who knows they may have had their second string in i don't know.

#12 doesnt play "dirty".. its called soccer.. its also a very physical sport.. im sure u wouldnt want to be pushed off of the ball, so u have to have an aggressive side..

i cant stand it when you all talk bad about one player or one team.. its just a sport that we all play.. whether u win or lose, u still come out to have fun..

your right gunners but all state as a freshman and participating in odp i think says quite a lot.

Since I was not at the game, I can only talk about hearsay. My JI connection said JI played w/o 4 starters & only 1 sub as well as many restrictions - one where every player had to touch the ball before scoring.

a little pushing is alright but throwing a punch as i was told she did isnt. and like i said i was recounting the game as i was told. but the consensus from the dreher girls and the fans at the game was that she fouled constantly even she was not near the ball and that is obviously a biased perspective but i dont think that many people would fabricate that opinion without some basis for it.

Thats cool, i mean if a team can score 18 goals, with restrictions like everyone has to touch the ball, then more power to them, at least they are still getting a challenge.

i guess

Dreherheckler:

Allstate as a freshman may be fairly impressive. But ODP in South Carolina is not. Especially on the girls side. I hope, if you are a player who has been selected to the region team, you will forgive me for saying this. But I think Hailey Beam was the only South Carolina player to make it this year...and she lives in charlotte! The fact is, the odp team doesn't need to pick the best 18 in the state, and they often don't. I'm not going to get into it all, but its quite political. As long as they get the 1 or 2 players that are good enough to be looked at, the rest are purely up to whoever they are purely up to.

Having said that, I don't know whether Ellison Sharpe is a good player, I did ref her club team once this year, but had no clue who she was at the time.

I hope the girls give you what you deserve heckler.

Fort Mill's Schedule

Benp

You are correct in your assessment of ODP. It is not impressive. I do not remember who was held over last year in the 87 girls, but the following were held over for region pool in the 89s ( current u17) girls: Maggie Blackwell(CESA 88 Premier), Caroline Clark(CESA 88 Premier), Marisa Leconte(CESA 88 Premier). 90s holdover included: Kira Campbell (CESA 88 Premier) and Ellison Sharpe ( 89 CESA Premier). There was one CESA girl, Morgan Thomas I think, that was held over in the 91s (U15). I believe she went to national camp also. I do think that Lindsay Beam (GFC/CESA) and Julie Bolt were held over in the U19 age group.

In terms of picking the best 18 for the team, I think it depends on who comes out to tryout, and who wants to pay to play. My daughter's age group never had a big turnout and not all the top players came out. ODP was approximately $1000, when my daughter played. It's expensive, and the quality/amount of training depends on the assigned coach. Some years it was not good, some it was great!

To echo and elaborate on what "soccermom1121" said, here is the girls 2006 region pool selections from South Carolina. In addition, I've listed the players selected to play in the region pool qualifying games that didn't make region pool.

Girls, 86/87 Pool: Lindsey Beam [CESA], Danielle Jordan [CUSC]
Girls, 88 Pool: Hailey Beam [CESA]
Girls, 89 Pool: Maggie Blackwell [CESA], Caroline Clark [CESA], Marisa Leconte [CESA]
Girls, 90 Pool: Kira Campbell [CESA], Ellison Sharpe [CESA]
Girls, 91 Pool: Morgan Thomas [CESA]

Girls, 88 Pool Games: Shannon Bigbie [CESA]
Girls, 90 Pool Games: Hannah Gmerek [CESA]

No player made the region team. The only player to make the national team was Lindsey Beam.

Benp/soccermom1121: Re: South Carolina ODP "not impressive."

Everything is relative. Certainly making the SC ODP team is not as impressive as making the Texas ODP team, which in turn isn't as impressive as making region pool, which in turn isn't as impressive as making region team, which in turn isn't as impressive as making the national team.

But making the SC all-state team in a particular division is equally relative. Rather than put my own opinion out there, simply ask your favorite D1 coach how much weight they put on a high school all-state selection relative to ODP or club play.

How many SC D1 girls player can you name that didn't participate at least a year or more in ODP?

Finally, to what started all of this -- I've seen Dreher play only a couple of times -- but every time I've thought that Ellison Sharpe stood out. There was little to no offense that didn't start with something she did.

By the way -- I'm not associated with Dreher nor am I related to anyone on the team. I'm not sure what the motivations are of the various people talking about this -- but I think it's a shame when people associated with a team feel they have to put a player down to raise up their own favorites.

if thats referring to me chico i was not putting anyone down to raise a favorite, i dont have any favorites, if you look at my post i named at least 8 players who are good players. i was simply saying as you did that ellison is a stand out thats not a knock on anyone else. and my motivation is that i was asked by the girls to post on them since i usually just post on the guys.

dreherheckler: Wasn't referring to you -- I don't think saying someone is good is equivalent to saying everyone else is bad.

It means every year that people acknowledge (and rightfully so) that Fort Mill's (region) schedule is weak.

The past few seasons people have criticized The Mill for the lack of red on their schedule (ranked teams). That comment then sparks the "Great NC schools" that the team plays seeing how higher quality competition is not available locally in SC. Ask Hurst, he has had to endure this the past 2/3 seasons. I just watch in amusement every year as a new poster (like yourself) pops the question.

my bad then chico

oh no, i understand fully Fort Mill's weak schedule. But we were talking about how teams are getting beat 18-0 and i stated that i don't see how that helps a team. No matter how weak their schedule is they would never beat someone 18-0, they work on different scoring opportunities, like off of headers, and one touch. Thats all i was sayin, i know Fort Mill has a weak schedule.

Joe, I don't think you're following the thread very well. Focus. Start over on page one.

Ok, i started over from page one, on page two people are talking about how degrading it is to beat someone 18-0, on page three i commented about JI beating GC 18-0 and i was throwing out ways that a team could still improve, but not embarrass someone 18-0. Then you say Fort Mill's schedule, which had absolutly no relation to the topic. So i'm not following you.

You're a Greenhorn. You'll pick up and follow along better in the future. The topic shifted to how we debate things over and over every year. With me? Good. Then I began to list them. Hurst joined in and here we are now. Come on, you can do it!

Page 2, 9th post should be your point of focus. I think that's where we took a left and you kept on going straight.

Well i'll be sure to pick up the rules for posting messages next time i stop by barnes and noble, but I was simply commenting that i don't agree with an 18-0 score, and it was still on topic, If i'm correct you are the one who strayed off topic, by stating that these same things get brought up year after year. And once teams quit beating the h(*$ out of weaker teams, maybe it will no longer be a discussion. And how does that have anything to do with Fort Mill's weak schedule, we don't decide who is in our region. Lord knows northwestern and rock hill beat the h$*( out of us in football. So you have strayed off topic TWICE. Not good for consistant posting.

Well i'm reviewing my post and i believe in all that rambling i discussed 4 or 5 topics. So, I think I did farely well, you know, being a greenhorn and all.

Joe, topics evolve as they move along. You are quite wrong to say I am off conversation without realizing there you are right next to me holding my hand. Look no further than the title of entire thread and the first post made. What is it Joey?

That's right, its about the scores. So, saddle up and get ready to ride wherever these threads may take us. You'll enjoy it much more than wasting your time fussing when people do not stick to the original intentions of the topic.

Exactly, threads change, and we are supposed to change with them. So whats the big fuss. People comment on the bullying of less formidable opponents, and I gave my two sense, thats the whole idea of a message board. To spark the communication of great minds.

Post Del Joe:

oh no, i understand fully Fort Mill's weak schedule. But we were talking about how teams are getting beat 18-0 and i stated that i don't see how that helps a team. No matter how weak their schedule is they would never beat someone 18-0, they work on different scoring opportunities, like off of headers, and one touch. Thats all i was sayin, i know Fort Mill has a weak schedule.

Ok, i started over from page one, on page two people are talking about how degrading it is to beat someone 18-0, on page three i commented about JI beating GC 18-0 and i was throwing out ways that a team could still improve, but not embarrass someone 18-0. Then you say Fort Mill's schedule, which had absolutly no relation to the topic. So i'm not following you.

but I was simply commenting that i don't agree with an 18-0 score, and it was still on topic, If i'm correct you are the one who strayed off topic, by stating that these same things get brought up year after year. And once teams quit beating the h(*$ out of weaker teams, maybe it will no longer be a discussion. And how does that have anything to do with Fort Mill's weak schedule, we don't decide who is in our region

Well i'm reviewing my post and i believe in all that rambling i discussed 4 or 5 topics

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Typing in an attempt to reason with you is like beating my head against the wall trying to stop a headache. Sigh. Ok, Joe. Topics move all around and you keep on posting. Its nice to have another Fort Mill guy around to make things lively. Best of luck to you and yours.