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Sorry about that last post. Anyway, I respect your last post. On the other hand, I believe that the reason there are different levels of soccer for U-11 through U-18 is to accomodate all types of players. This thread, based on ICE, James Island, GFC, and other teams is based on Classic teams- the best league in the state. So I don't understand why trying to be the best would make other players feel like "second class citizens." If they feel that way, then there are other levels to choose from, be in travel league or even rec. The point of classic teams is to have the best team anywhere, and yes, the best means winningest. I don't understand how the quality of a club can be based on anthing BUT winning. If a team is winning, that means that everything is in place, be in better coaches, players, facilities, etc. "Having fun" doesn't make your club the best team: winning does. For those who don't care about winning, there are other leagues for that. No matter how serious teams like GFC and St. Giles are attacked for being, they win and therefore they are the best clubs in the state. For those who don't want that type of atmosphere, there are other ways to go while still having fun playing the sport. But winning is fun, and that is why so many people don't mind the commitment it takes to belong to the best club.