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U17 Boys
CESA 87 Premier - 2
Unionville Milliken S.C. - 0
(Canadian Team)


U17 Girls
CESA 87 Premier - 2
HCU 87 Red - 1
(Florida)

WHO CARES!!!!! The Viking cup is going on, and the action is great!

Obviously you don't. Go back to reading.

Score At The Shore - Jacksonville, Fl.

U17 Boys
CESA 87 Premier - 5

FC United (MA) - 1

I am not meaning to belittle their success, but how good is the competition here. U17B 2-0 and 5-1 wins sound tooooooo easy. They had a much tougher time at state cup.

gfcpop,
What good guest players does CESA have at Score?
I agree with irmonow, it doesn't appear to be a strong field there, so CESA will probably do well.

U17 Boys
CESA 87 Preier - 1

Schwabwn A.C. National - 0

Not sure on the strength of the competition. I do know CESA is missing 7 players and are playing with only 11. I don't know who the guest players. I heard Brendon Kyte and Schyler Reardon and Nick Schumerman were going, but not sure. They must have at least three to be playing with only 11, I think they only have 15 on their team.

GFCPOP21 -- If it's such a "premier" tourney, then why does CESA have only 11 players attending the tournament? Probably because those players realize that high school soccer is more fun, and that not much materializes at these "farce of club tourneys". Why didn't those that you mention attend? Playing with their HS team perhaps? What schools are the mighty CESA 87s going to for college -- if it's not DI major college conferences -- do NOT respond. I don't want to hear Anderson and PC mentioned as good soccer programs!

Eric Balfour, Brendan Kight, and Nick Schuermann are guest playing at the tournament with CESA 87s. Most likely because their high schools are not playing this weekend. Also, several players were unable to attend due to injuries and illness.

I don't get all the animosity. All GFC Pop was doing was posting scores. The last time I checked this was the Club/ODP thread.
Where is all this other stuff coming from- farce of club tourneys, high school versus club, college destinations for 17 year olds. Listen to yourself.

Set 'em straight, Dex.

lpaf

Dex
Thanks. You're right all I was doing is posting scores. See I didn't even know who all was guest playing for them, I only got two out of three right and didn't even spell their names correctly.

I guess that Dexter already beat me to this, but I have to stand up for Pop here, even if he does like Hillcrest. Talon sounds like someone who got beat by CESA this year and holds a grudge. Don't bash someone about their club when they are just posting scores for their team. There are other anti club posts and anti CESA posts for that if it's bugging you enough.

While i feel that high school soccer can be more fun, this is not the thread to debate that on, and that topic has been beat do death on this message board.

After working camps in San Diego where Score at the Shore is one of the most important things, i enjoy seeing S.C. teams doing well at the east coast version.

As for college teams, the question becomes where is Talon going to play? By his downing D.2 programs, i would have to believe that Talon is going to start at Virginia, Duke, St. Louis, UNC or any of the other teams who finished in the top 10 D.1 programs.

Where are you going to play college soccer Talon? If you are not going to start as a freshman and be an impact player, then do NOT respond. By your last couple years of posting, i thought i would have seen you win a cap or two by now.

Good Points Voice.

My Son is D1. He played South Carolina HS but only for two years, when he was 15 (24 goals) and 16 (37 goals). Despite the goals tally, he never put in more than 3 goals in any one game, as he hated beating up on the opposition. That in his opinion was NOT fun.

For me, as his Parent, HS was not much fun either. With few quality players per team (For example, CESA U18 State Champs are from 16 different High Schools I believe) and often the 2 man refereeing system, it was awful watching the good players getting kicked all over the field.

High school is about playing with your everyday friends, but the level of play is pretty weak. Club is about getting to play in College, so I understand why these CESA players are in a club tournament. I hope some of them make it to the next level.

I think they were saying though..that only 11 of the CESA guys showed up for the tourney..so...

Well, people who know me know that I put top club programs and top high school programs on the same level just like poor club programs and poor high school programs. Too many parents, coaches and players think that "Club" automatically means "good".

I also take offense with Talon taking shots at Presbyterian and inferring they are a lesser program b/c they are D2. My point is that if Talon is not a major contributor to a top 10 D1 program, then he has no room to talk. The top and mid level D2 programs routinely are comprtitive and beat mid level D1 programs. Also, just because you are on a D1 team does not mean you are a good player. Players who play for Tampa, Southern Conn St, Seattle Pacific and other top D2 programs are better players and those are better programs than the bottom feeders in the D1 level.

Playing for a D2 program that goes 21-3 means you play for a btter program than a D1 program that goes 4-18.

My point was that Score at the Shore is the top tourney in the Southern California area (and thus the west coast) and it is good to see SC teams doing well in the east coast version.

L.E.,
Finish your sentence.

I wasn't trying to start anything.. It's just.. if all those things Left Foot said were the consensus why is the premier club team in SC only fielding 11 for a big tourney..

(side note: I usually try not to post or get invovled in things that I don't have a least a little knowledge about.. so..don't flame me.. I'm just making conversation..not trying to be an antagonist or anything..)

My left foot,

Well if your son wouldn't have played at at smaller AA school you might have seen better. How was the bench in G'ville this year? SoCon really got Ya'll. Don't give me this crap about good players getting "hacked" due to the two man system of HS. Having been around the HIGHEST club tournys there are (Sun Bowl and Captial Cup) I have played w/ MANY a MANY "club" linesmen. Come on if you and your son had a better time w/ club ball then fine by me...but say that don't make it out that you and yours are better than the HS game.

Oh yeah going out of state sure was a good idea since you guys wound up back in SC for College!

On to the Hotspur/Forrest winner! I almost shed a tear for Jose and the BLUES!!!!!

Shearer,
Sun Bowl is a watered down tournament and has been that way for the past 5 years. Capital Cup is an after thought- it is a shadow of what it once was.I'm not even sure it exists any more. I know it is not at Thanksgiving anymore. I have never seen club linesman at a high level tournament- not one, nada,zero.

This is an odd tournament for sure. It allows unlimited guest players. So I guess you can take all the best players you can find. The competition level must be lacking if they are willing to let you bring unlimited guest players. But still, CESA is in one of the finals at Score. http://www.soccerscheduler.com/directors/scheduleclean.asp?eventid=97#flight1714

Congrats to the CESA "11" for going 6-0 and making it to the finals at 12:30 today!! Good Luck!

How is Nick Schuermann playing? Glad you guys were able to pick him up since he didn't have any HS obligations this weekend.

CESA "11" just won the final game of the tournament 3-1. Congratulations to a job well done. You have made SC proud.

Heh Mom,
How many guest players did they have? I am sure Eric Baffour (going to Furman) had a number of goals. That was a much better experience for him than playing with North Augusta High School this past weekend.
http://www.soccerscheduler.com/directors/teammatchesclean.asp?eventid=97&applicantid=11466

There were four guest players in total. One was left off of the previous posting--sorry for that--Eric Balfour, Brendan Kight, Nick Schuermann, and Chris Sankowski. I don't know how the scoring was distributed. Perhaps someone that was at the games will let us know.

Originally, 14 players were to make up the team for this past weekend, however, illness and other problems cropped up at the last minute which prevented three players from making the trip.

As for the level of the tournament, in my limited knowledge and experience in these things I would say it was about at the level of this year' Sun Bowl. In fact Hillsborough,which I believe won the Sun Bowl was defeated by CESA 1-0 in the semi's.What made this tournament difficult was having to play 7 games in 4 days with 0 subs. Extreme fatigue was probably the biggest obstacle faced by CESA rather than any particular opponent.

It sure looked like the CESA players were happy after the final match, regardless of the level of the tournament. So, I guess that makes it all worthwhile.I must admit I was a little surprised at the tone of some earlier posts in this thread. I can't quite figure where the aninmosity comes from!Oh well.

Bdad,
Who scored the goals? Did Baffour dominate? Does your son play for cesa? How do u think they will do at regionals?

2004striker
Eric did not score a single goal. From what my son says Kevin Ruck ( not a guest player) had an outstanding tournament and scored many of the goals.
I did not post any more of the scores on here due to all the negativity and animosity towards CESA fielding a team and playing in this tournament. I didn't want to read any more garbage. Thanks to those who did have something positive to say and to FutbolMom for posting the scores.

gfcpop,
When the discussion first started in this forum about some eastside players attending Score, I posted that it is an opportunity which cannot be missed, especially if the guys plan to play some college ball.
My post:
2004striker
Registered Member
Member # 2433
posted January 13, 2005 02:24PM
Its a no-brainer! Score at the Shore is one of highest profile tournaments in nation with lots of college coaches and high caliber competition. Ya gotta go with the club team. College coaches don't attend high school games. Its the first game of the year, and will not count against you Eastside, in the 3A standings. Plus if Eastside is as good as everyone here says, they will be focused on winning a state championship, not just winning a single game against a team in a higher classification. If they beat Irmo, who will really care; as long as they win that state championship? You can never pass on an opportunity to play in such a high level tournament. The high level of competition at Score will also help make the guys, who have the privilege to participate, even better players. But.....the HS coach may not see it that way and punish those who go. Hopefully, Eastside has a coach who does care about the boys and their big opportunity at Score.

Then the Eastside coach commented:
dcsoccer
Registered Member
Member # 96
posted January 13, 2005 10:20 PM
My take on the situation: You are correct in your labeling of the Irmo Soccer Program. You have failed to look beyond what is right in front of you though. Check 2004striker's comment. One of the elite club tournaments in the nation with ample college coaches attending. It's a situation that I cannot prevent my players from being exposed to...
dcraig@greenville.k12.sc.us
[URL=http://www.geocities.com/eastsidehighsoccer/soccer1.html

Other club teams should consider more high level tournament play, even during the high school season. There is no comparison between club tournament competition v. any high school competition in SC. Congrats to all the CESA guys who worked their butts off for the championship!

Shearer, I've been traveling on business, so I didn't see your post.

It's a numbers game. There are many more High School teams than Club teams playing at the Challenge level. Therefore each team often only has a few players of that level, which means they have to include younger players of ability and others who are not quite as skilled. It just stands to reason that these teams are not quite as good.

I'm a referee too and therefore my comments on referees comes from experience. Two man systems, (where you have to cover offsides) keep you too distant from the action.

As for your kind words on my Son. Robert had 11 (9 D1's)offers, only four in State, and the most money was actually offered by an out of State program. However. after being away in Florida he wanted to play College in South Carolina, and he really likes the Coach and Furman set up. On the second point, yes Robert was on the bench at Furman this Fall. However, it's still not bad for a Kid who's still only 17 and was pretty advisable seeing as he had a broken leg. He started playing again at Christmas and had his first College game last weekend at Mercer. We'll see if he has the ability to play and make an impact in College over the next few years.

It's a shame that some of the South Carolina soccer community shows such a negative attitude to the things teams like CESA U17s do. I say well done and good luck to each of those Guys.

Ultimately, college coaches are looking for how players handle upper level 90 min soccer games, not 80 min of "see how many goals you can score against a team who fields nothing but football players"...upper level soccer lacks in SC when it comes to HS soccer(yes, i understand there are a few exceptions, but how many times do we see irmo travel to greenville or spartanburg to play Dorman, Riverside, Eastside, etc...very little, exactly)...Big-time college coaches aren't "chomping at the bit" to go to these tiny HS tournaments in SC when they can travel a couple states over and watch OPD Regionals or a High Class club tournament...I'm sure if you asked Tomek(sp??) he probably wasn't recruited to play at Duke from his high school play, he more than likely got recruited from his club play...Basically, college coaches aren't going to travel hundreds of miles to see a high school soccer game, but they will travel to watch a club tournament, and if you're really serious about playing college soccer then talk with the coach, most are willing to invite you to come practice for a day or two(and that's the true test).

just a note on what beechsccr said.the trainer for my daughters team is a head coach at the local university.she does go to high school games if it is a player she is already recruiting and the game is close by.to find players and do the hard recruiting she goes to all the big club tournaments.

Not negative about what CESA does....I have always said that the top kids should play at the highest levels. I was negative about your attitude towards HS soccer....maybe I took your tone wrong but it sure sounded like the HS game in SC wasn't good enough for you or your son. I do apologize about the broken leg stuff hope he gets his chance at FU.....but you did have an "I am too goo for this" attitude in your first post. Just didn't like the outlook towards HS soccer.,....esp since your son made his name scoring goals as a soph and freshman in HS then moved on.

40,

At what tournament did she find those two girls from Australia?

3 and 1 from japan.i think the story goes she had no signees.the girls were looking for full rides and she had it to give so she got them.

to answer a little better.i think they had sent tapes out.