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Since the initial state cup thread has been consumed by ODP lovers/bashers, maybe we can begin to post State Cup issues/comments here. These were the most recent posts:

Chapindad
This coming weekend should clear the picture up a little. I thinking seeding in the state cup is probably the most important thing. With the premier league getting seeds 1 and 2 automatically you could easily have the best two teams in the state in the same bracket.
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Chapin,
Forgive my ignorance but usually aren't the 1 and 2 seed split between the brackets?

Correct Chapin,
2 premier teams seeded 1,2. Then 6 ranked challenege teams seeded 2-8. So top 2 would only meet in finals.

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Any other news on whether any teams were granted an early week game in order to attend Raleigh on 11/12?

NO, has that not been discussed enough. I believe that state has made it clear that they are not allowing games to be played earlier than that date. That means one of the 2 u15 premier teams, DSC and CESA, will be losing the application fee to the Raleigh tournament as one of them will have to play a first round game. the higher seed will get a first round bye and be able to attend Raleigh. Do we understand now?

Except that DSC is not on the list of accepted teams, so it only has bearing, if DSC finishes ahead of CESA.

SCYSA should allow for special circumstances, as they did a few years ago when a couple teams were allowed to play during the week of the first round. If DSC or CESA Premier has to play a 1st round game against the last place U 15 team, instead of playing high level teams in Raleigh, how can SCYSA say that is for the betterment of SC soccer?
I know these tournaments are not the same level as Raleigh, but maybe some premier teams that wanted to attend Raleigh and now cannot, should consider these Thanksgiving tournaments to get ready for state cup final: AFC Lightning College Showcase, FC Alliance College Showcase, Charleston Cup.

2004Striker,

Lets look at all the options before you make any assumptions on exactly what I was talking about. Your scenario is very simple and obvious. You might be required to think a little harder or just think.

Two teams are selected to represent SC in the premier league. Have it so far. Usually the selection is the two teams that make it to the finals, but not always. The first place or the second place can opt not to play in the premier league, so then the third place team will be asked then the forth at the lowest point. This happened last year in the U17G grouping. CESA was the third place team but CUSC, the second place team, opted out because of travel. Look at the U17G brackets. CESA is doing a fine job and is ranked correctly as the 1st place team in the age group. The problem comes from MPSC who is getting killed in the premier league. I hope you can follow along. They will get the 2nd seed in the league but are probably in reality a third or fourth seed. Read my next statement before you reply. I have no problem with the seeding. I find it very fair, if you play through the premier league then you deserve a present. I was only pointing out that seeding is very important in the Challenge league and every game counts because of this situation.

My fault guys. Playas **** up too! I was told from a reliable source that both DSC and CESA had applied. I just assumed this was the case and that both would be accepted. I guess maybe i should do my research before hand though

Chapindad,
I am not very good at thinking and so I will have to depend on your excellent ability to do so. So I re-read your post very slowly, at least ten times in an attempt to grasp your complex concepts. However, I think I understand your semi-logic. And I am aware of how premier teams are selected. I was only stating what the exact seedings will be, regardless of the respective team's strength or challenge record. It may indeed be that there is a challenge team who proves to be better than one of the premier teams during the state cup.

Striker... you do not have to go far to prove your point. Last year there was such a situation, including the severe downfall of both premier reps in the state cup. Aiken Fire was one of them as an example. And for all the championships CESA won last year (not arguing just stating facts), the majority of the finals and most of the semis were close matches.

As the saying goes.... "that's why you play the game"

In a previous post I listed the potential challengers to the premier teams. I think that we will see similar situation this year, with more than one surprise exit.

Playing premier is supposed to give you the challenge, but psychology is a mysterious thing when it comes to the young men and ladies. You lose most of the games in Premier your confidence may be shot, or you may be too cocky and think it will be a breeze, or you are the underdog and have nothing to loose.

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