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I can't figure out how CESA U18 goes as rep for Premier North?

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Regionals! Who said anything about freakin' regionals? [Confused]

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That would be me.

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Both Bridge FA teams got good draws. I would love to hear about the NECSA v. CESA game in the U-18 boys bracket.

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So.....anyone know how CESA U18 goes as PL North rep?

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Striker... I do not see where CESA is anywhere in the schedule as PL North rep. Where do you see this?

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On the website, clic schedules and U18 boys.
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SOUTH CAROLINA NECSA Ambush 0
MISSISSIPPI Jackson Futbol Club 0
PL NORTH CESA Premier, SC 0
TENNESSEE TN State Champ 0

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2004striker: I hadn't seen that; but I had noticed that the NASA (formerly Silverbacks) U16G team got in although they didn't win premier as the Premier League South representative.

I don't know for a fact how it worked for either CESA or NASA, but here's a theory. Both CESA and NASA teams we're talking about finished third in RIIIPL-East and the two teams ahead of them got in by winning state championships or winning RIIIPL-East. So maybe (and just maybe, because I don't know) they were seeded in because of the strength of RIIIPL-East versus North and South who had teams that won state championships and RIIIPL victories. However, please note that this is just a guess.

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CESA played in PL East. I know that CASL went as winner of PL East. 2nd place in PL East, Concorde Elite, went as Ga. state champ. Forsyth Fusion went as PL West rep. CESA went as PL North rep. I don't understand how teams can go as reps outside their region.

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2004striker...if the designated teams from those regions end up not accepting the invite to play, then a process is started to fill the vacancies. This happens to be the case in the U15 boys...DSC didn't qualify to attend regionals but a team from the PL north has opted out and they are going as the PL North representative even though they play PL East.

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Got your panties in a wad on that one, didn't you Stroke?

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Yeah. I figured that if there is a way, CESA would make it work. CESA gets everything they want!

And thanx for explanation taylorbabe.

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I hope you're right...

CESA wants a few regional championships and national championships.

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It looks like Greensboro has replaced CESA in the U18 Boys division. Anyone know why they dropped out?

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NECSA probably banned CESA because they were in the same bracket!

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Look at the U15 boys - CESA 90, DSC and Carolina Select (NC) are all in the same bracket so they get to go to Regionals to play the same teams they play in premier.

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CESA U18 Boy's declined pl-north spot due to both goalies are still injured from high school soccer and cannot play and only 9 - 10 other players were available.

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striker, looks like you were wrong about the reason CESA did not go. However, maybe DSC will get lawyers involved and petition for something to avoid playing CESA and Carolina Select much like they did during State Cup.

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Actually MPSC had a better Premier League record than Greensboro (finished 7th compared to 8th). How is it determined who can fill a spot?
Fall finishes:
7 MPSC White SC 3 5 1
8 Greensboro SC NC 1 6 2

I always thought that the Regionals had the best club teams in the respective regions.

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This is U18. Half of the kids don't want to waste their time for a week playing soccer if they aren't playing in college. Also some people dont want to waste thousands of dollars to go play soccer. That is why so many teams probably declined the opportunity to go as PL North representative. But other than a few teams Regionals does have the best club teams in the region.

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Waste their time?? Playing at Regionals is a waste of their time?? That is the biggest stage to play on! It is a great opportunity. Even if you are not playing in college, its a great place to finish or possibly continue your soccer career. Regarding expenses, many teams have fundraisers and corporate assistance to help with the costs, as well as individual clubs often are able to help. CESA Regional teams may even be fully-funded. I do not know.
But I do know it is not a waste of time even at U18, especially since they have played soccer for over half their lives.

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I'd give Necsa Ambush a solid shot at advancing out of their group.

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The Jackson MS and TN clubs are very strong.

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CESA pays the entrance fee for their teams that make Regionals. The players must pay for all the travel expenses for themselves and the coach. The designated hotel is $130.00 per night for possibly 9 nights plus gas and meals or air fare for those that fly..... That said, the experience is worth every penny !!!

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Oh, you waste a lot of time there. They make you get there two days early to sit through the most boring two plus hour ceremony in the world. Yeah it is a great place to finish your career but that doesn't mean it isn't a waste of time. And regionals isn't the biggest stage there is to play on.

Necsa does have a decent shot at advancing but the TN team is very strong so they will need to win the other two games.

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I can't imagine any minute at Regionals being a waste of time. And cab, you gotta win Regionals before you can get to the big stage.
NECSA got a break to get Greensboro in their bracket. They should beat them and maybe MS, but TN is too tough.

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Ah, that is why you are imagining and I have experienced it. Personally I love to go to regionals because it is fun but what I was saying is you actually do waste a lot of time when you get there two days early and when you have one game per day there is a lot of free time on your hands.

And I am guessing that the reason most teams declined the opportunity for the PL North spot is because of this reason, a portion of their players didn't want to go because "they have better stuff to do". In fact most of the players do want to go but when you have 15 on the roster and 4-5 drop off because of this reason then a team can't accept the invitation because lack of players.

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striker, looks like you were wrong about the reason CESA did not go. However, maybe DSC will get lawyers involved and petition for something to avoid playing CESA and Carolina Select much like they did during State Cup.

That's strange...I could have sworn I saw DSC play those two teams play during state cup. For the record...DSC DID NOT hire any lawyers. Their assistant coach petitioned on behalf of the team and geez...he just happens to be a lawyer by day. Oh...I forgot...the president of DSC...he, too, happens to provide for his family by being a family law attorney...give me a break. DSC couldn't afford to pay one nickel to hire attornies. I would speculate that any other team faced with the same situation would have done THE EXACT SAME THING . Get your facts straight before making these implications.

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You have to be the first person ever to call the Regionals 'boring', and a waste of time.

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Striker, you are a moron.

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Striker, you are a moron.

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Regionals are a costly good experience. Best that CESA U18 declined to go instead of try to go with 11 players and no goalie. Then it would be a waste of $$$.

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Regionals are awesome for those in contention U14-U17, after that they're not real important.

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Can someone supply me with a list of boys names that have participated in Regionals the past 4-5 years and where those players have/are played/playing college soccer?

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i have read enough today from some people on this board who are out to promote their own selfish interests. Club is better than high school. period. better player development, better exposure, etc

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Club is better than high school. period. better player development, better exposure, etc
I don't think that anyone has challenged this premise. However, club is certainly not addressing all the needs of ALL players. Or is it? If so, please explain.

Do you also feel ODP is the end-all and be-all of player talent evaluation?

I definitely know that high school soccer is not going to have the resources of the big power clubs, but there are decent (could be much better) players at Burke, Stall, North Charleston, Hanahan, Academic Magnet, Lincoln, Fort Dorchester, Goose Creek, and Stratford that are not involved actively in club/ODP soccer, but have ability. Do they get to play too at MPSC or Bridge or SSC? I think the majority do not. Why? Cost is probably the reason in 90% of the cases.

Do the best coaches want the 'stain' on their record for coaching a team comprised of players not from Wando, Pinewood, BE, PG or JI? It seems there may be more of a player pool for U15-U18 players at the aforementioned schools than at the soccer-rich schools.

All I'm trying to point out is that we have our own talent ID problems in SC (Lowcountry example right here), much less across the country. I simply don't think we're getting the best 23 guys on our MNT and I think illustrations such as this help argue that point.

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But there are people who are questioning club on here. As far as ODP, it is definitely flawed.

The only players that club is not addressing the needs for is the part time player. The player who wants to play more than soccer, ie football, baseball, etc. I have coached in 4 different clubs, 2 small and 2 fairly large that have recently merged. In every instance, I have had full and partial scholarshiped players because they could not afford to play. Last year alone, one of my older boys teams had 4 kids with some sort of scholarships on a team of 15. At least the places that I have been, players have had the opportunity to play if they wanted to. However, alot of players that are decent high school players have other interests, as i discussed earlier.

The measuring stick of how many players are playing in college is not appropriate in discussion of player development. Maybe it should be how many players have been recruited should be the measuring stick. Many players choose not to play in college because they decide to go to one of the big schools, ie USC, Clemson. I know plenty of people who had offers from some of the D2 schools in the state, but for whatever reasons decided to not play college soccer. Most of the time, it is because they feel that the schools they could play at are not up to par with their academic needs. other times, its because they want to go to football games and party.

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