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The strongest National League of the World 2005
by IFFHS:

1. England
2. Italy
3. France
4. Spain
5. Deutschland
6. Brasil
7. Netherland
8. Argentina
9. Russia
10. Ukrain
11. México
12. Portugal
13. Belgium
14. Chile
15. Colombia
16. Scotland
17. Türkey
18. Greece
19. România
20. Perú
21. Switzerland
22. Paraguay
23. Bulgaria
24. Austria
25. Czech Republic
63. USA

Source: IFFHS website

i agree with most except one

spain and france should be switched. france does have good league teams but theirs only 1 or 2 powerhouses dominating

and i think Michael Owen will be the next best #10

Buddy, Owen is a Forward which means he is a #9(a cherry picker).

Ronaldinho, Zidane, Totti, Figo, Donnovan, Blanco, Maradona, Riquelme, Dennilson; A #10, the attacking Plays of their team goes thourgh his feet, HE makes the attack.(they are usually center MF, or attacking MF)

however, owen does happen to have the number 10 on the back of his jersey.

thank u aleksandrus11 for clearing that up for the loser who thought i was wrong

i'm not a liverpool fan for no reason
and i probably know more about players than u do if u don't realize that one of the best england strikers has a # 10 on his back

and never diss owen again in ur life
owen is not a cherrypicker, he is going to be a legend in England.

I Like Netherlands and Brazil to be higher than italy and even spain. Those two are notorious chokers. Russia #9? pfff give me a break

netherlands and brazil are good, but not higher than italy or spain sorry... pretty much the greatest club teams are from europe, so i doubt brazil should be higher, as for netherlands being in europe, they don't have teams that can compete with real madrid, barca, juve, roma, milan

that should be a good rebuttle to ur comment. about russia, not sure so i have nothing to say lol

Star, before you make a post, you might want to do your research. Although yes, the best club teams are in Europe, look at the makeup of their squads and you will discover a large amount of brazilian and dutch players in them. For example, look at Real Madrid, who has Roberto Carlos, Cicinho, Julio Baptista, Ronaldo, and Robinho. The fact of the matter is, that the good national teams don't necessarily have to have a tremendous national league, rather, their good players quickly leave their native league and move to England, Italy, or Spain where the best in the world play, but when they go back to perform for their countries they are still very effective and dangerous. Don't forget the fact that Brazil won the last World Cup fairly convincingly. Nice try though Star, keep supporting Russia

i just want to get an answer to this question.

are we talking about clubs in countries, or are we talking about players from their original countries. if it is players from their original countries then that would go under fifa world rankings, not league rankings. if we're going with the most competitive leagues, what u said man u fan, has no relation to the topic. i know where all the players are from, but i think on this topic we're talking about how competitive each league is in the world

Oh man. Not gone give you an honest comment about this ranking thing.

In my opinion this is how it should be.

1. Spain
2. Italy
3. Brazil
4. England
5. Argentina (the skill level of Argentinans is better than the ELP but most of his players are in Europe, Argentina only has their young players and old players in their land).
6. Germany (may be better than the Argetina League because of the fact I gave you before, but I'll go with the Argentinan League just because of their skill level)
7. France
8. Mexico: There is not way Russian and Ukranian League are going to be better than the Mexican. That is just not right!


I am basing my rankings on the level of skills (just my point of view). Of course, Europeans have a lot more advertasing, technology, and players from all over the world, money in conclusion.

If you actually saw the game between San Pablo and Liverpool you'll see that Brazilian's skill is wayyyyy above Liverpool players (The Brazilian league should be more competitive than EPL) Even though San Pablo did not play better than Liverpool as a team. San Pablo was a lot more efficient with the ball, more dangerous.

If you follow the fact that San Pablo lost some of his talent, and they are not doing good in the Brazilian League. I think its amazing how they went there and beat Liverpool.

I'll do a research on the Leagues so you don't think I'm being "controversial." If EPL is better than the Spanish and the Italian. I'll be the firts one in here to apologize.

Later dude.

Star 11:

I don't know how old you are, where you from, who you are, and believe me I DONT WANT TO KNOW!!

Im not saying you don't know anything about soccer or something like that. If you post in this forum is bc you know about soccer. But maybe you didn't get my statement:

"A #10 does not have to wear the number to be a #10. You do not become a #10...you are born a #10. Some #10's don't wear #10 bc everyone knows they are the #10"

--look all Im trying to say that #10's are the Geniuses of Soccer. They make the game...in other words like we say it in Español(spanish) "un Crack". It is said like this bc he literaly cracks the defense system of the other team. Players like these are the ones that make the fans get up off their seats and cheer that beautiful move/play (i.e. Ronaldinho, Zidane, Figo, Okocha, Kanu, Maradona, Pele, Cruyf, Platini, Di Stefano, Sir Bobby Charlton, Valderrama, Blanco,and Zinha.)

Classement
CLUBS
Points

1. REAL MADRID CF

9 CHA (2002, 2000, 1998, 1966, 1960, 1959, 1958, 1957, 1956),
2 Uefa (1986, 1985) 11

2. MILAN AC

6 CHA (2003, 1994, 1990, 1989, 1969, 1963),
2 CC (1973, 1968) 8

3. FC BARCELONA

1 CHA (1992), 4 CC (1997, 1989, 1982, 1979)
3 Uefa (1966,1960,1958) 8


4. LIVERPOOL FC

5 CHA (2005, 1984, 1981, 1978, 1977),
3 Uefa (2001,1976, 1973)7

5. JUVENTUS FC

2 CHA (1996, 1985), 1 CC (1984),
3 Uefa (1993, 1990, 1977) 6


6. AFC AJAX AMSTERDAM

4 CHA (1995, 1973, 1972, 1971)
1 CC (1987), 1 Uefa (1992) 6

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7. FC BAYERN MUNCHEN

4 CHA (2001,1976, 1975, 1974),
1 CC (1967),1 Uefa (1996) 6

8. FC INTERNAZIONALE

2 CHA (1965, 1964), 3 Uefa (1998,1994,1991) 5


9. VALENCIA CF

1 CC (1980), 3 Uefa (2004,1963, 1962) 4

10. FC PORTO

CHA (2004, 1987), 1 Uefa (2003) 3

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11. RSC ANDERLECHT

2 CC (1978, 1976), 1 Uefa (1983) 3

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12. PARMA AC

1 CC (1993), 2 Uefa (1999, 1995)
3

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13. MANCHESTER UNITED FC

2 CHA (1999, 1968), 1 CC (1991) 3

I'm still looking for the website you need.

Go here.
http://www.eurotopfoot.com/gb/histgb1.php3

FootballerTR - basically what you are trying to say is that a #10 is the playmaker of each team, if that is what you mean than i agree. However a #10 is not someone who manages to score goals or does fancy tricks. For Liverpool, Michael Owen is a legend, it was very unfortunate that he was boo'd as he played for Newcastle againts Liverpool at Anfield but hey, life must go on. Let me take back my original statement and say that Michael Owen will be the one and only #10 of Liverpool because it's just something different about Liverpool without him there. Steven Gerrard is an awesome player and I am glad he committed his future to Liverpool. Without him right now I seriously think Liverpool would be a joke.

As for San Pablo being better than Liverpool, that's a no no. Sorry but i strongly disagree. Liverpool had how many goals called back in that game, one of which was totally legal. Teams perform great at different times, you have to think of some of the reasons why Liverpool may not have won that game. The fact that Benitez's father passed away could have been a factor. Benitez didn't even leave to go to his father's funeral and that is how dedicated he is to the team. Remorse will always affect players ability to perform. Not to downplay San Pablo, but I don't believe they are a better club than Liverpool. Just because Lutton (i think ) scored 3 goals on Liverpool in that Liverpool 5-3 win, doesn't make them a good team.

ok i agree with that, good rebuttle, I think Brazil does produce the wonders of this world in soccer, it sounds cliche but it is in their blood lol !!!!

Kaka
Ronaldo
Romario
Pele
Ronaldinho
Cafu
Rivaldo
Garrincha
Robinho