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Of course there are one-off teams and individuals from time to time but, for the most part, you two are "way off" in trying to defend SC players and teams as a consistent whole.


I know I cannot say it any better than Chico just did, but by recognizing the impressive accomplishments of teams from a specific club, I was not attempting to defend SC players and teams as a "consistent whole." I guess my point might be that you cannot speak of SC soccer as a "consistent whole" anymore, because there is at least one club that is obviously doing something right to be having the success it is having with some of its teams. And I don't believe this is just a case of "one-off" success, as you like to claim. I don't think my pointing out the success that this club CESA is having, is refuting that other changes need to made in order for the rest of SC to start having more success.

Let's remember that we are speaking about women hence the title of this post.

I respect fully what CESA is doing and by no means want to belittle but, again, in the big picture CESA, an SC, are not CONSISTENTLY showing top teams at the top events. A team here and there that shows up at a top event a few times and does well does not mean the club as a whole is at the elite level.

In SC? Yes, they are elite. But that's SC, a lower state in the country's weakest region. Do other clubs in SC need to keep pace with CESA to improve the whole? Absolutely, I agree.

Is the club a "one-off success?" No, they are building so judgement can't be made too much yet. But the individual teams and players you mentioned? Yes, they are one-off because there's not a consistent following to back them up. And, that doesn't mean the players aren't good but just that they are some of the few, or one-off success, until more come along more often.

The intent is not to minimize anyone but to just be honest about the state's overall standing in the eyes of collegiate and Region III coaches that's passed around in meetings and coaching circles.

Beezer, as much as I agree with you, I feel we have to see how far we have come, given our small state population. Ideally, I would have the best players train at one club. With year-round development among the best players, we would have a better chance of winning Regionals.
I will post this here, even though it speaks to boys & girls club teams. These are raw numbers from Region III Championships to see how SC compares to some other southern states. Only the first 3 prelim games for each team are included in totals. I hope Chico can provide a good analysis of these raw numbers, and what, if anything, they may tell us. I will attempt to reflect on these comparisons later, but feel free to comment-
W L Ties
NC 26-24-7
SC 11-19-6
TN 11-19-3
GA 33-11-13
AL 4-20-3
ARK 3-34-3
MS 10-28-4
FL 21-16-5
LA 15-29-4

Not to upstage Chico when it comes to data analysis -- I don't think even Einstein could pull that off :-) -- but take a look at the winning percentage at Region III and the population totals:

State, W-L-T, Win% -- Population (Wins / Population)
GA, 33-11-13, .693 -- 9,072,576 (3.63)
FL, 21-16-5, .560 -- 17,789,864 (1.18)
NC, 26-24-7, .518 -- 8,683,242 (2.99)
SC, 11-19-6, .389 -- 4,255,083 (2.59)
TN, 11-19-3, .379 -- 5,962,959 (1.85)
LA, 15-29-4, .354 -- 4,523,628 (3.32)
MS, 10-28-4, .286 -- 2,921,088 (3.42)
AL, 4-20-3, .204 -- 4,557,808 (8.78)
AR, 3-34-3, .113 -- 2,779,154 (1.08)

Chico, what can you make of the final column in terms of the ratio of population compared to total wins by that state?

Kyle, Its always good to put stats and respective opinions in the proper context, when possible. Thanks for that initial analysis, which we know Chico will expound on with his spectacular, near-mystical perspective. To look further at this it may be essential to not just look only at the entire state populations, but the respective populations registered to play club soccer in those states. I posted elsewhere in another thread that FL has 100,000 registered players. I will see if I can find out the others.

I'm not a numbers guy.. but even I can see..

SC is 4th in win percentage.. and 7th in population.

Can't we (SC) toot our horn a little.. while still acknowledging that "US Soccer" still has a long way to go?

Any reason N. Texas, S. Texas, and Oklahoma have been left out of your stats? There are 12 state associations in Region III.

Three big associations to leave out, huh?

And get off the population. Should United States, China and India win every World Cup? Concentrate on development systems. An area SC is suffering as a whole and when it's defended it shows the lack of soccer knowledge and ignorance instead of wllingness to change and improve. It's only a few things for big change!

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Beezer - What would you do to elevate SC girls talent to the top? How about the boys? How would you solve our problems of having 20,000 registered players (all ages) in SCYSA, whereas Dallas or Atlanta have 200,000 alone? Don't tell me population doesn't matter. If it did not, why wouldn't the HSL allow Summerville to be in the same conference as Academic Magnet for football? Because the score every year would be 100+ to 0! Population does matter! What has CofC done to promote women's soccer in Charleston? In SC? The colleges have the money, they should be doing the most promotion!