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Chico: Great statistics, at least you get the same numbers to study. The only thing I can wonder is whether one can come up with a metric that would allow CUFC to compare itself back to last year's NESCA/CSC ... something like 1 point for a team making the playoffs, 2 points for making second round, 3 points for finalist, and 4 pts for champion. Then split that out and compare "A" team this year to the better of the NESCA/CSC teams last year, etc.

bamr, right now with the age groups participating in this state cup, last years U14-U17, the combined CUFC is currently equal to the separate CSC/NECSA, with 6 in the semis.

Further CUFC had 4 teams playing RIII, implying 4 CSC/NECSA teams made the finals.

That's an easy first cut.

I think you are measuring CUFC way too tightly and early. Did they screw up by playing B team at the highest level? Yeah, probably. If they had to do it again, would they? No, probably not. Does it matter in the long terms? I don't think so.

I would counsel patience......a successful merger will NOT be determined by outsiders. It will NOT be determined or measured by the number State Cup winners or finalists. I will be determined solely by the families. To me, there are only 2 things worth lookiung at and they won't be known until late May.

1. Number of State Cup winner and finalists for 2006-07 versus combined totals for 2005-6.

2. Number of kids accepting CUFC spots for challenge and classic teams for 2007-8, versus 2006-7.

They are not competing with CESA or Bridge organizationally and comparing them is unfair. Might as well compare CSC and NECSA to GFC and St Giles. They would have lost on that comparison too.....so starting points are different. They need to grow......and they need to offer quality. In my mind, that is their report card.

If you want to compare CUFC and CESA or Bridge.....I think you need to look at year over year performance and rates of improvement, as opposed to direct comparisons.

To the tune of the devil went down to Georgia

I apologize up front to Charlie Daniels\

Cola FC went down to State Cup
They were looking for a championship to steal
And they were in a bind
'Cause they were way behind
And were willin' to make a deal.

When they came upon this team playing
a ball and playin' it hot
Cola FC jumped up on the bench and said,
"Boy let me tell you what:

We bet you didn't know it
but we are soccer players too,
And if you care to take a dare
we'll make a bet with you
Now you play pretty good soccer boy
But give Cola FC its due
we'll bet a ball of gold against your soul
'Cause we think we are better than you."

The team said, "Our name's CESA
And it might be a sin
But we'll take your bet, you’re gonna regret
'Cause we’re the best that's ever been."

CESA get your boots on and play your soccer hard
'Cause hell's broke loose in State Cup
And Cola FC deals the cards
And if you win you get this shiny ball made of gold
But if you lose Cola FC gets your soul.

Cola FC opened up their bags and said,
"we'll start this show."
And fire flew from their fingertips
As they put their boots on.
And they shot the balls across the pitch
And it made an evil hiss
Then a band of parents joined in
And they began yelling something like this (!!!C’mon Ref you blind!!!)

When Cola FC finished pressuring, CESA said,
"Well you're pretty good ol' son!
But stand on the pitch, right there
And let me show you how it's done!"

Fire at the State Cup, run boys run
Cola FC is in the house of the rising sun
Players on the field kicking at balls
Coach does your team “bite”? No, child, no

Cola FC bowed their heads when the whistle blew
Because they knew that they'd been beat,
And they laid that golden ball
On the ground at CESA's feet
CESA said, "CUFC, just come on back
if you ever wanna try again.
I done told you once,
You son-of-a-gun,
we’re the best that's ever been!"

Fire at the State Cup, run boys run
Cola FC is in the house of the rising sun
Players on the field kicking at balls
Coach does your team “bite”? No, child, no

Big Daddy I have to disagree with you.

Except in the Academy, Where we all hear weekly "that it is not about wins and losses, but about player development", in the older age groups it is about wins and losses. I believe the same goes for a club. You can judge a club based on their stated goals and whether or not they are meeting those goals. For every club the goal is different, but Chico and others have limited themselves to comparing CUFC based on what they say their goals are.

I agree that we are early and that there will be a much clearer picture come Spring, however I think we can look at the fall and draw some early conclusions.

Come next weekend we will be able to answer whether or not in the upper ages at the challenge level clubs are improving, remaining the same, or declining.

Number of kids accepting CUFC spots for challenge and classic teams for 2007-8, versus 2006-7.
I would agree that this is a highly relevant measure of success, however what if a club gets the same number of kids, but that the kids are less talented. I think it is about quality not quantity. If CUFC teams don't make the premier league will they lose players to Bridge and CESA.

Kim

Awesome

The post from Futbol is absolutely the funniest that I have ever seen on this board.

Well done!

futbol, you da man!! or wo-man. very funny!!!!!!!

Most of these posts are only addressing how CUFC's A teams did or will do in Challenge this season. CUFC did very poorly among its Premier, Classic and B teams. To judge a club's total quality you have look at all segments not just one.

In fall 2006
CUFC in premier won 15% of their games
CUFC in Challenge won 31% of their games
CUFC in Classic won 9% of their games
CUFC in Sandlapper (academy) won 48% of their games