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Goals by Brown and Aaron
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Anyone in the Beach area have a score from Loris? They were supposed to play Marion tonight?

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Great header goal bt Heinrichs for the final goal of the match. Good match for LE, but score could have been much worse had LE played to their full potential.

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Hard-fought match with one breakaway goal--good luck to CC in the rest of the season!


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I was surprised a high school game ended in a tie. I thought the high school league had teams play 2 OTs and then go to PKs when games were tied. Has anyone else experienced a tie in high school soccer???

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Not supposed to have ties unless a tourney. Maybe I'm mistaken...

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"Ball possession" rules for the final 24 minutes.


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Blythewood drops a disappointing one to the old alma matter after three rounds of sudden death PK’s. 2-1 final score. The Blythewood girls had a great game- controlled most of the contest but just could not find the net. Missed a PK and had 2-3 dings off the post and crossbar. Congratulations to Coach Jimmy Watson and his girls- again!


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The yellow jackets used tonight to sharpen the blade and get ready for the showdown on Friday with Dorman. Coach rested a couple of players tonight and others stepped up. Good. Good.

Anybody got a score on Dorman and Gaffney. I heard Dorman was looking past this one with the big game looming on the horizon.

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Results from greenville news
Southside 2, B. Ridge 1

Eastside 6, Greenville 0
Goals -- Martin 2, Roberts, Moore 2, Yokel. Assists -- Davis 2, Martin 2, Ramsey, Jensen, Weaver. Shutout -- Roberts. Record: Greenville 2-1, Eastside 5-1.

Mauldin 5, Northwestern 0
MAULDIN -- Emiley Schaidle scored twice, while Morgan Hert and Curren Smith combined for the shutout.

Goals -- Schaidle 2, Schaidle, Fisher, Brennan. Assists --Schaidle, Fisher, Young, Taylor, Hert. Shutout -- Hert, Smith.

Mann 2, Spartanburg 1
Alley Truitt's free kick in the second overtime was bobbled by the Spartanburg goalie and tapped in by Taylor Hunnicutt. Hunnicutt also scored in regulation.

Goals -- M: Taylor Hunnicutt. Assists -- M: Moseley, Toole, Truitt. Record: Mann 1-0, Spartanburg 0-1.


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Sorry--- We (Blythewood) played Sumter last night


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Dreher 3 - BC 2

What a game. Marie McGwier (Dreher) scores the first and only goal of the 1st half. Dreher 1 - BC 0
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BC scores to tie.
Brittany Rush (Dreher) scores to make it 2-1 Dreher. Ellison Sharpe (Dreher) scores on a break away, only to have a very, very delayed offside call nullify the goal. It's still 2-1 Dreher. With less than 30 seconds left in regulation, BC scores again to tie.
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With less than 30 seconds left in the 2nd overtime period, Ellison Sharpe (Dreher) scores on a header off the only corner kick of the game to win.


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Dreher-BC definitely the match of the day.

Still waiting on clarification on the Greenwood-Emerald draw???


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Academic magnet v. waccamaw? anyone? ranked AA match up last night


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Clover 2
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Clover goals by Jordan Allen and Kelsey Hamilton.


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Waccamaw website says they beat Academic Magnet 7-0


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Eastside 6, Greenville 0.... did anyone predict a score like that? Is Greenville hurting that bad or is Eastside just that good?

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Stall 1 Edisto 0.

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greenvilleonline.com says Byrnes 1, Riverside 0

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Wow! That would be huge for Byrnes.


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Any confirmation or info on this Riverside v. Byrnes score???

Riverside came to Woodruff sick and injured (as was WHS); any idea if Riverside is still struggling with players missing?


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3/8 Region I-AA Match

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Pendleton 1 (3-0 in pk's)


Caitlin Williams with the shutout in net, also scored the first goal in the shootout and then saved 2 West-Oak attempts. Kathryn Shoemacher and Anna Arrendando with the other Pendleton penalty shots.

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Lexington 4 - 0 over Spring Valley. Game wasn't really that close either.......

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Goals by Aaron (4), Blake, Jacher, Goodstein, Adair

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The Riverside/Byrnes score is correct........ I am wondering also about sickness/injury but as far as I know they had everyone playing. Well done Lady Rebels.......

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Anyone have a score for Summerville/James Island on 3/5 or Goose Creek/Colleton County on 3/7? Or Ft. Dorchester/James Island on 3/7? Colleton County/James Island on 3/8? Inquiring minds want to know...lots of games still not showing up on the scoreboard! Thanks!


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Beaufort/O-W on 3/7?


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3/8 Score

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Amanda Benke had both goals for the Warriors.

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As the ONLY remaining UNDEFEATED team in Girls' AAAA . . . the Clover Blue Eagle watch begins!!!

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Tuesday night at home against Northwestern looms large for the Lady Blue Eagles.


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Goals: Amanda Tinker (2), Megan Sumner, Brenda Diaz, Jessica Thomas

Solid match for WHS—though several squandered goals early.


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The game came down to PKs...correct?

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BE scored in second overtime for the win. Hard fought match by both teams.

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The Lady Bulldogs remain undefeated and are now 4-0 on the year. 1-0 in region play.

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>>Wando 3, Summerville 2; Kersten ejected from the game with 2 yellow cards!<<

It's nice to see that the referees stepped in and did their jobs; all too often there's a passivity toward some of the more egregious behavior in girls games that you sometimes see on the field.

I'm a fan of tough, physical play -- but there are limits -- and the referees are there to enforce those limits.

I've seen a lot of injuries, on a lot of teams, in the last few years. When you mix the tough, physical play of premier league with the decreased average talent found in high school play, you get kids hurt. I'm glad the referees are stepping in and setting boundaries.

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Chico—Sadly, high school refs allow all the worst type of physical play and blow the whistle on legal contact—usually in favor of less experienced players and to the detriment of our elite players (who play year-round)—

Much of the injuries in high school, I feel, are the result of the mismatch of talent combined with the ref'ing—


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It's amazing how many shoulder-to-shoulder challenges will draw a whistle, but hacking at ankles and that sort of contact (that leads to more serious retaliation) will go uncalled.

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It's amazing how many shoulder-to-shoulder challenges will draw a whistle, but hacking at ankles and that sort of contact (that leads to more serious retaliation) will go uncalled.




ive got a better one for you.i can count about 3 to 4 times a match my daughter gets whistled for a foul and she has the ball.she will sheild the ball from a player and get whistled.she got a yellow friday which she should have but the other team threw punches.i mean balled up fist punches.the ref never blew his whistle.sad thing is that he is a cop.the other ref was so old i think he gave the ball to whoever was closes to it when it went out.need that man in the middle.

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I was responding to anyone who thinks Clover will go undefeated for the year. They haven't played anyone, and only have competition on there schedule in Fort Mill and Northwestern. Wish they would schedule better teams to test themselves before tournament time.

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Obviously the officials who referee the club games are COMPLETELY different than the ones that officiate HS. I imagine those 15 year old linesman have vast more understanding, too. They probably have their own forum with Club vs. HS thread getting tens of thousands of post a month. In fact, I had a "mole" tell me that they have three guys who simply track down club players and their high schools from 9 to 5 - all in the effort to smite them while playing for their academic institution. That will teach them to be "Elite" while the other half brain dead, one eyed, 11 toed kids on the roster run around in a blind rage. I smell what you're cooking p & y!!!!

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Wish I had been cooking something up, M*A*S*H. But hadn't thought about it that way until your post.

I think the refs are MIXED also—so another problem. (But to be honest, I have noticed that refs with club AND high school experience are probably far more fair to the high school players with club experience than refs who have ONLY high school ref'ing in their blood.)

What I have been building toward is asking for real solutions to our persistent laments. Maybe coaches need to EDUCATE players and parents/fans. And most of all we need to encourage ALL coaches to know the game and to coach clean but passionate soccer.

While on the side-lines I hear a MIX of ridiculous and informed comments from the fans/parents that clearly influence players and refs.

I'm sorry if this sounds critical, but high school soccer has a far greater range of skill and knowledge than club. I mean that as a DIFFERENCE not a negative criticism. My time and energy have been spent on BOTH; my child loves BOTH.

Really—I promise. . .

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P&Y, I agree. HS and club have vast skill and especially age differences that can alter the officiating of the game. Tell me more about your "EDUCATE" plan. I love hearing solutions on this board far more than comlaints, and you have provided us excellent answers in the past.

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p&y and w&e (Hawkeye Pierce),

Can't we just sit back and enjoy girls HS soceer for what it is instead of over-analyzing every bit of the officiating? It is what it is.....my daughter loves it, p&y's daughter loves it.....and guess what, there are probably ten teams in 4A that have a legit shot at winning the state championship this year.

How many teams in South Carolina have a legitimate shot at winning the State Cup at U-18G next fall?

The HS game is a wonderful game.....unless you are soccer40.


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Hurst66—

I agree EXCEPT I would argue that since it is WONDERFUL it deserves to be better for the PLAYERS.

Coaches, refs, and fans/parents are failing the players far too often; we could all do better. Part of that would be by becoming more informed about the sport.

One advantage in club is that we have more KNOWLEDGE of the sport among everyone at the club level (yes—there are nimrods in club also, but in a lower dose/percentage). High school soccer in SC would benefit from an influx of greater knowledge of the game among those NOT playing.

I am more sensitive to high school sports because it is a different animal and I have been involved with HS for over 23 years. Most of the players I have coached in soccer are just really good young people who happen to play soccer in the spring. I think they deserve the professionalism and quality I see in club; that's all. . .


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The "problems" that you cite do not exist, for the most part, at the big, successful soccer schools (Riverside, Eastside, Mauldin, Lexington, Spring Valley, Fort Mill, Dutch Fork, Dorman, Wando, etc.). Why? Because there rosters are stuffed full of high level club players who know how to play the game. Their parents are also more knowledgeable for having come up through the club structure for all of these years.

So your problem exists primarily with the referees (limited resources) and with programs that don't have all their kids playing year-round soccer (club). I don't have the answer regarding the officiating but as for the high school programs that don't have an abundance of club players feeding into them...what's your solution? Let's take a fairly large school like Sumter that doesn't have a great club feeder program....what are you going to do? I can name three or four very successful club/high school coaches in South Carolina who cut their teeth in Sumter. They all left for greener pastures and succeeded in other communities (markets).

What's the answer?


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The "problems" that you cite do not exist, for the most part, at the big, successful soccer schools (Riverside, Eastside, Mauldin, Lexington, Spring Valley, Fort Mill, Dutch Fork, Dorman, Wando, etc.). Why? Because there rosters are stuffed full of high level club players who know how to play the game. Their parents are also more knowledgeable for having come up through the club structure for all of these years.

So your problem exists primarily with the referees (limited resources) and with programs that don't have all their kids playing year-round soccer (club). I don't have the answer regarding the officiating but as for the high school programs that don't have an abundance of club players feeding into them...what's your solution? Let's take a fairly large school like Sumter that doesn't have a great club feeder program....what are you going to do? I can name three or four very successful club/high school coaches in South Carolina who cut their teeth in Sumter. They all left for greener pastures and succeeded in other communities (markets).

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You make an excellent point. I would argue the answer starts with two important elements: A knowledgeable and dedicated coach along with a school/athletic department who will support that coach.

The coach can instill the knowledge and respect for the game by building a PROGRAM—not a team. Additionally, the practices and expectations can be raised to a professional level. Many high school practices are sloppy and disorganized (in ALL sports). Doesn't have to be that way.

Also, begin to instill in the players within your program that you want/need year-round players. Lobby for club, accept rec, and discourage players doing nothing (if the player is involved in other sports, that is a fact of HS—I wouldn't take a stand on no other sports; although I think single-sport focus is best for success of the program, but not always the player).

Also, begin a policy that NO players talk to the refs; that's the coach's job. Then, communicate with parents and ask the same of them; also ask parents to pass the word to other fans. Cheer for the players, don't antagonize the opponents, and leave ref criticism to the coach. This can be done.

Next, I think SC soccer coaches need to be more proactive and positive in speaking out for better and more consistent ref'ing. We need a mechanism for evaluating referees. We probably need a similar mechanism for evaluating coaches.

When both the coaches and the fans are encouraging players who are playing recklessly, when they are cheering for hard fouls, when they are arguing against proper calls, the players are surely not the source of the problem.


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On 3/8/07 Broome defeated Greenville Tech Charter 5-0

The Broome Lady Centurions ran their record to 4-2 overall with a dominant performance with goals being scored by Emily Bryant, Lauren Hutson, Addie Hutson, Chandler Morrow and Mackenzie Camby (assisted by Lauren Hutson). Caroline Moss was hardly bothered all evening, only having to save two shots.

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On 3/9/07 Broome defeated Boiling Springs 2-0

The Broome Lady Centurions ran their record to 5-2 overall with a gritty performance against a tough Boiling Springs team. Both goals were scored by Lauren Hutson (assisted by Mackenzie Camby and Olivia Gilmer). Caroline Moss saved 7 shots on the night behind her determined defensive teammates. Caroline made a great save on a PK to preserve the shutout. Our prayers are with both the young ladies from Boiling Springs who were injured during the game. We hope both injuries turned out not be too serious and that you both get to return to the field as soon as possible.

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I often hold rules clinics for the parents of my club team players. Why not do the same for high school players and parents. Invite a respected referee or referee trainer to conduct a rules clinic at the school at a convenient time for the parents. Maybe after practice or before/after a home match.

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I often hold rules clinics for the parents of my club team players. Why not do the same for high school players and parents. Invite a respected referee or referee trainer to conduct a rules clinic at the school at a convenient time for the parents. Maybe after practice or before/after a home match.




Yes—again, as a beginning soccer coach who added girls soccer to the program my first year, I learned how to grow a program by taking what I was learning as an assistant in club and transferring it to my high school teams. There are basic and inexpensive things that clubs do, such as coaches communicating directly and with expertise to parents, that CAN work in HS. Thanks, Coach P.


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So HS coaches don't communicate directly with parents and with expertise? That's a big of a generality, not to mention saying that all clubs do such things. I know college kids needing extra money that coach club with no real love for the game. Of course, there is the football coach getting the extra supplement situation in HS.

If a coach were to hold such a meeting, who would really show up? The parents that come to all the games and travel and know what they're talking about. Definitely not the shift worker who makes it to one a game a month and shouts "Go! Go! Go! Kick it hard!" to let his daughter know he's there. Club parents have money and time to drive their kids all over the place. HS parents don't always have that and to say "so and so needs to speak directly and with more intelligence" isn't really addressing the problem.

Your lesser skilled players probably play less club, thus have parents who know less soccer...and probably get the least amount of playing time. Are you going to speak to their parents about your tactics and philosophy after a game in which they didn't come off the bench? I'm sure you're their favorite person at that moment. Maybe you could talk to them as they buzz through the parking lot to pick up their kid from practice, grocerys in the back of the van, and a 2 year old screaming his lungs off.

It's idealistic and really a great notion. I just have a problem with the finger pointing of HS, glorifying of club, and ignoring the statute of limiations in the clients we're dealing with. I've coached on both sides so I don't see through binders. I'm just here to shoot holes in ideas so this becomes rock hard and I can use the finished product .

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I didn't intend the conclusions you drew. Your insight about HS parents of players is dead-on as that is the same issue with education in general. I was arguing for taking the BEST of club and adding it to HS where it doesn't exist. Did not say ALL clubs do the best; did not say HS coaches don't do this. Many fine HS coaches are our best club coaches as well, in fact.

When we address solutions to problems we have to discuss where the problems are—without suggesting that is universal. And I don't suggest any universal qualities exist in HS or club.

But I think it is fair to say that in soccer, you have almost universal expertise in the coaching at club (though that doesn't guarantee anything, of course) and far less in HS because athletic directors often fill soccer jobs as a secondary concern; what clubs have a full-time football coach who is expert in football as their soccer coach? How many high schools have soccer coaches taking the soccer job by default or as a mandate without any experience or expertise?

And by the way, I did NOT do any of this: "I just have a problem with the finger pointing of HS, glorifying of club, and ignoring the statute of limitations in the clients we're dealing with." I finger point at everybody and everything; I glorify nothing; and I would never discuss humans in sports or school as "clients." <Shiver>


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Perhaps in my haste I drew conclusions that were not there, and I apologize if I did. Again, I'm on your side in educating the public and increasing understanding. Perhaps all this talk of elite players, fouls, and all the talk of what clubs do (without mention of HS) has given me reason to bite on this boring day. I just get the club > HS vibe and the two are completly different animals, as you know, and it makes for dreadful comparisons. Perhaps I need a nap.

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No....you need to start ranting about why FM only moved up one spot in the rankings. Move it over to the other thread you started!


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Thanks, M*A*S*H—I agree about comparing; just hoping we can cross-polinate. And glad you gave me a chance to say clearly that i DO NOT wish to glorify or condemn either club or HS—hate we have that dichotomy on this board as it is.

You're not the first to accuse me of being a club snob. That was the biggest hurdle I faced coaching HS, in fact.

Hurst66‚been waiting for some hand slapping about turning a score thread into a discussion. . .:)

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